It pays (quite well) to study at SMU
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u can go to the best education institute and receive the best education...
but it aint gonna bring u far if u r fark up in ur work...
paper qualifications only open the doors for u...
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Yup that's true....you may get slight more than others just because you came from SMU or MIT or even Yale & Harvard for that matter...
But once you can't deal with real work issues and you are not street smart, out you go....
What's the point of getting high grades and good results, end of the day, this world is not what you see and get from the textbooks.....
Well, I'd rather be quiet and see how far these grads will go....
They should have a survey on the same students and find out what is their pay increment after 1 year, 2 years etc and also if they are still there after 1 or 2 years... -
It's all hype, frankly.
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nope im not concluding that smu students are of the same calibre as harvard students.Originally posted by jeremymjr:What kind of comparison is that?
Are you trying to say that it is so difficult to get into SMU and therefore the average student calibre is equals to that of Harvard?
A university has to be recognised and has to be of a certain standard before potential undergraduates are going to apply to it.
Just like top scholars around the world want to enter harvard, smu is a university which is popular to the potential singapore undergrad, thus attracting applicants in order to obtain the low admission rate.
Of course you can argue the other way and say that singaporeans think that SMU is lousy and this all the students who did badly apply to smu for the sake of getting into a uni. But then again, if thats the case, why would an smu business graduate be more sought after than say an ntu business gradute? -
X 9087234958028309287439483790596Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's all hype, frankly.
I can't agree more
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This statement is not a proven fact, yet... It's just your personal point of view...Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:nope im not concluding that smu students are of the same calibre as harvard students.
A university has to be recognised and has to be of a certain standard before potential undergraduates are going to apply to it.
Just like top scholars around the world want to enter harvard, smu is a university which is popular to the potential singapore undergrad, thus attracting applicants in order to obtain the low admission rate.
Of course you can argue the other way and say that singaporeans think that SMU is lousy and this all the students who did badly apply to smu for the sake of getting into a uni. But then again, if thats the case, why would an smu business graduate be more sought after than say an ntu business gradute?
Anyway, I may have the answer to your question... Some other forumers have already pointed it out actually... The reason is that the management committee of SMU is really good at marketing the school... sometimes I really wonder whether they are running a univeristy or a business organization... -
Caltech has a 40% admission rate. Therefore, following your logic, no one wants to apply and therefore there is a high admission rate and it is a lousy school. But that's not accurate. People who apply to Caltech either attended RSI, have an International Olympiad medal or have done very good research work in high school. (If you have never heard of Caltech, it's no wonder you can actually compare SMU's admission rate to that of Harvard's).Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:nope im not concluding that smu students are of the same calibre as harvard students.
A university has to be recognised and has to be of a certain standard before potential undergraduates are going to apply to it.
Just like top scholars around the world want to enter harvard, smu is a university which is popular to the potential singapore undergrad, thus attracting applicants in order to obtain the low admission rate.
Of course you can argue the other way and say that singaporeans think that SMU is lousy and this all the students who did badly apply to smu for the sake of getting into a uni. But then again, if thats the case, why would an smu business graduate be more sought after than say an ntu business gradute?
I don't want to comment further about the SMU admission rate and so on. All I can say is that we should really see SMU for what it is. Good school? Maybe. Brilliant, excellent, best in business, graduates so sought after by all the BIG and top investment banking firms in the world? Not so certain. -
Just to sidetrack a little. The reputation of a university has nothing to do with the domains it covers to begin with - at least, not exclusively.Originally posted by jeremymjr:Harvard is a research university; Yale is a research university. They have law schools, business schools, engineering schools, school of arts and sciences. They are complete, full universities. SMU is a specialised university. There is no comparison - quality wise or otherwise.
Frankly, I think SMU is doing well. But the extent to which it is being lauded and praised is ridiculous. Don't accept the hype and whatever they say - it's their role to market the school; it's your role to be discerning enough.
SMU has an 12% admission rate?! It's not just about the admission rate, it's about the calibre of students that apply. If every Tom, Dick and Harry applies, of course the admission rate will be low. The best indicator of quality is how self-selective the pool of applicants is. Do you see anyone with less than 3As at A Levels being deluded enough to apply to NUS medicine?
Harvard and Yale College (for undergraduates) are widely renowned as being liberal arts colleges, but it hardly makes every faculty in their undergraduate body equally established. That said, many employers view graduates of these colleges with utmost respect stem from the fact that these are among the most selective colleges in the US - by extension, rendering them holistically (in terms of the entire student body) as the most brilliant and promising young people in the country. Even then, it's worth noting that each varsity has its niche areas - if you looked at the postgraduate level, everyone regards Yale Law School as one of the top 3 law schools in the country, but their postgraduate engineering courses are not as well-regarded.
However, it's also worth noting firms in a particular industry have an inclination of going after schools renowned in a particular niche area that is intrinsically linked to their industry - I mean, it's no secret tonnes of Wall Street investment firms go to UPenn to headhunt their top students, but you don't see the same firms resorting to headhunting the top brains at MIT. Just because such trends are commonplace doesn't necessarily render UPenn graduates as being more qualified than MIT ones.
In essence, what I am trying to say is the "employability" of a person depends very much on where and what he studied, as much as the firm and the industry his potential employer delves in. Naturally, the closer the match, the better chances of landing betters jobs for the student - in that sense, the selectivity or even the school itself doesn't play as big a part as both parties (for both the graduating student and employer) having a "common interest".
In truth, I just don't think anyone can deny the influence Wharton is having on SMU in terms of boosting its credentials as a business school and at least for me, I have got no qualms SMU will not be the school it is without its tie-up with Wharton.
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[quote]Originally posted by M©+square:
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Either you two are friends, or the same person. [/quote][/b]
We are not the same person... I trying to bring out the point that everywhere you study you can excel in the area of career... It just how one's what their life to be... For example I dislike working for others so i have since running 4 business that can bring me quite substanial incoome....
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currently i enjoying studying business but i won't to master both the theroy and practical ... It not use missing one of them out... I would like to try out this concept of running successful companies plus getting good grade in school...
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Its about work experience. .v
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I believe it will be used as an excuse to increase civil servants & MP's pay-Originally posted by LazerLordz:It's all hype, frankly.
first we read abt the high resignation rate in civil service, now this... -
386 out of 628 graduates replied. What happened to the other 242?
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Still looking for jobs... no time to do the survey...Originally posted by killtuna:386 out of 628 graduates replied. What happened to the other 242? -
They may be earning more than 12k and no time to reply!Originally posted by freakass:Still looking for jobs... no time to do the survey... -
i tink SMU is all about marketing techniques. yes they may get a headstart, but whether they last how long in the company is another matter wad.Originally posted by M©+square:They may be earning more than 12k and no time to reply! -
Yes, School marketing might mislead Corporations and public that they are able to produce quality graduates.Originally posted by motoway:i tink SMU is all about marketing techniques. yes they may get a headstart, but whether they last how long in the company is another matter wad.
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But they chose this path, didn't they?Originally posted by M©+square:Yes, School marketing might mislead Corporations and public that they are able to produce quality graduates.
But the graduates in fact are suffering, they need to meet the expectations of employers, just because they are SMU grads.
My acc teacher was a corporate manager b4, he says:
NTU grads:
Veri hardworking, do alot of work but dun claim credit for it ( coz not vocal enuf)
NUS:
generally smarter, know when to enjoy, when to work hard
SMU:
Tok big onli, when the real work comes, they get frustrated and pushes job to other ppl.
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I don't know about your acc teacher.Originally posted by motoway:But they chose this path, didn't they?
My acc teacher was a corporate manager b4, he says:
NTU grads:
Veri hardworking, do alot of work but dun claim credit for it ( coz not vocal enuf)
NUS:
generally smarter, know when to enjoy, when to work hard
SMU:
Tok big onli, when the real work comes, they get frustrated and pushes job to other ppl.
Fact or fiction? it's ur take.
But i know the students goes to varsities of their choice, in this case it's SMU, is because they which to experience the lifestyle and culture of that campus.
Like i've mention in earlier post. If i have the chance, i'd choose SMU mainly for the learning and proactive campus life.
Every graduates aims to attain excellent grades and be a good worker.
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You make NTU grads sound like they are kinda dumbOriginally posted by motoway:But they chose this path, didn't they?
My acc teacher was a corporate manager b4, he says:
NTU grads:
Veri hardworking, do alot of work but dun claim credit for it ( coz not vocal enuf)
NUS:
generally smarter, know when to enjoy, when to work hard
SMU:
Tok big onli, when the real work comes, they get frustrated and pushes job to other ppl.
Fact or fiction? it's ur take.
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Not all. Some. I'm from NTU also ok.Originally posted by Rigante:You make NTU grads sound like they are kinda dumb 
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eh! i also from NTU ok! tt new kid on the blk still need to call us BIG BROTHER la!