Education In Singapore
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Actually, aren't the teachers just want to teach what is going to come out in the exam?
Basically, all teachers in school have a quota to meet, if they don't, I dunno what will happen to them but since they have a quota to meet, they will be spending most of their time trying to teach whatever they can which does not include teaching them moral values. Thus, Moral Education is induced in some schools. BUT.. is Moral Education in the O Level?
I bet most of you have seen students tucking out their uniforms and some of them even smoking. Do you have a deja vu? Maybe you have seen it in the television b4? Yes, my point is TV programmes is such an influential instrument to kids. And even the internet. How long does a kid spend watching the tv and using the internet? It is never more than the time they spent talking to their parents.
After all, the only solution to this? None.
It all depends to the kids, caning will never help. The worst thing is when they are used to the caning, they will commit even worse crimes.
So how? As most of us will become parents in the future, the best thing is to look out for any suspicious behaviour in ur child and talk to them as though they are your best friends. Of course, not crossing the limit as in the respect will not be lost. -
Sorry for the selective quotes here. But I assure you they will not misrepresent you.Originally posted by dinky1409:Many grew up fearng the cane. Knowing that if they did something, the cane would get to them. It acts as a deterrence. Compoundedly and unconsciously, this is how we grew up learning our basic rights and wrongs. The applications of it. It helps to restrict that freedom of wanting to do something real bad. Heck! If I know all I'm gonna get is some advice or "counselling" as they term it, it is probably worth the thrill to commit that wrong.
Kids who got into trouble in class are obviously ones who love attention. Putting them on "time-out" isn't that singling them out? Making them different from the others? And when you are different aren't you receiving attention from the others? You are feeding the troll in an attempt to wave him away. Do they even know that they are being punished?
Thank you. Views, comments?
Cane is effective. But just like you say, it acts only as much as a deterrence. If a child avoid doing something just because of the fear of pain, then he is like a trained animal. Why are there so many reports that Singaporeans behave wonderfully in our own soil, but once they are travelling, especially to Asian countries, they started littering? The strict fine is the cane here, and without it, the only glue to moral values, the deterrence factor, is gone.
Singling out students in class. The main purpose is not to punish them. Primary school gives only 1/2 hour per lesson, thus the teacher's effort is to prevent the bad student from disturbing the rest of the class from having lessons. The real punishment is often calling of parents.
Thus, I do think overall you have a very strong point, that is parents care too little. They send their children to school, expect them to be taken care of in all areas. When something went wrong, they either blame the teachers or the society, when often the fact is that they care far too little to make the whole system work. -
i totally agree. although my mother seldom used on me, i was terrified when i saw one. this is not a bad thing. at least i had something to be afraid of, anf that prevents me from repeating the same mistake. now ths kids are not afraid of anything, cos they know they only be let off with a few words. they just can treat the what couselling session as a waste of time. who knows if they really listen? of course the one using the cane is one of good intentions. i not saying that violent can control everything. You guys never heard of parents inflicting pain to thier children means inflicting pain to themselves too!Originally posted by kivine:I grew up with the cane, was the best buddy in my life.
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Not always true.Originally posted by ms.anonymous:speaking of education system... can i sidetrack a bit?
has the government (or MOE etc) ever thought of attracting students to pursue their further education (i.e. from, lets say, poly) in local Unis instead of overseas ones? coz i learn that not everyone can continue to study in local unis; some have to go abroad depending on the courses available for them.
so i think its better if the government ensure that there's more opportunity for students to stay than go abroad to study. it prevents all the hassle for us students.
what do u all think?
Studying overseas, as many thought, is superior than to study locally because of the better education resources offered.
However, its the skills and perspective gained that is the most important.
From sgforum, you can already see many locals complaining about foreigners, and the way they act. These people mostly spent their entire life in Spore. Well, there may be occasional travels, but never long stay in another country.
The world outside is a lot more complicated. Allowing a student to study overseas by himself lets him gain experience. He has to look for his own place to stay, maybe share an apartment with others, there will be many chances for him to encounter all sorts of people you don't get to see in Singapore. -
I agree cane works, but only till a certain age. and it might have negative impact...
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Hey there.. I agree with your points and I would not agree to extreme uses of the cane but it shouldn't be taken out of the school system completely. It's true about the students who tucks out and smoke. But if the disciplinary system in the school is going to be purely non-physical, its quite logical to say these example students are going to increase in numbers and together with the fact that the media and society is getting more liberal, the increase would be at an alarming rate!Originally posted by ichi87:Actually, aren't the teachers just want to teach what is going to come out in the exam?
Basically, all teachers in school have a quota to meet, if they don't, I dunno what will happen to them but since they have a quota to meet, they will be spending most of their time trying to teach whatever they can which does not include teaching them moral values. Thus, Moral Education is induced in some schools. BUT.. is Moral Education in the O Level?
I bet most of you have seen students tucking out their uniforms and some of them even smoking. Do you have a deja vu? Maybe you have seen it in the television b4? Yes, my point is TV programmes is such an influential instrument to kids. And even the internet. How long does a kid spend watching the tv and using the internet? It is never more than the time they spent talking to their parents.
After all, the only solution to this? None.
It all depends to the kids, caning will never help. The worst thing is when they are used to the caning, they will commit even worse crimes.
So how? As most of us will become parents in the future, the best thing is to look out for any suspicious behaviour in ur child and talk to them as though they are your best friends. Of course, not crossing the limit as in the respect will not be lost.
Yes most of us will become parents in future. But you forget too, that probably both parents will be working. In an example of a typical day. I bet you the majority of the day you have no idea what the child is doing. He/she will be in school most of the time. One day, how would you feel if your child comes home, and he told you to fuck off? The chances of this happening is becoming more and more likely if the schooling system starts to go easy on them. Counselling or the cane in the principal office? Which would probably help to prevent such a case from happening to you in future? It might happen, I'm not saying its not, but shouldn't steps be taken to reduce the chances of it happening? And in this case, a proper disciplinary system in the school?
Taking myself as an example. I have thought about it before. Both my parents was still working when I was a kid. Most of the childhood was spent with my cousins. Elder cousin taught us how to shoplift. (Bubblegums at that time) I knew it was wrong but I was too young to understand the implications of such act. Until one day, my elder brother caught me shoplifting an eraser. I proudly showed him ( a rare country eraser at that time) and he was shocked and scolded me. I got scared and threw it away.
Yes he didn't use violence here but that's not my point. I don't emphasise on violence as a solution. I emphasise the point of instilling of fear so as to prevent wrongdoings. For our purpose, the cane is that tool of fear, rather than "sunshine rainbow" rooms for counselling.
Parents are of course the most important stakeholder in a child's upbringing. Never denied that. But education is important too. Trained animals? If you think about it properly, all of us ARE trained animals. Not convince? Laws, regulations, guidelines, societal norms, ethical standards, cultural practices, moral standards kept us trained, my friend. I don't propose the extremes of caning or corporal punishments even for the slightest things. I'm just concerned that as society becomes more liberal, shouldn't schools be more tougher in terms of disciplining the kids instead of getting more lenient? -
Yes, ChingAlvin. Totally agreed. Like I had mentioned before, that's because of the increased ability in thinking maturely. As we grew older, we take more sense in what we are told, what we hear and what we read. We interpret more of them. Majority of those in primary schools? Doubt they are up to that maturity level.Originally posted by ChingAlvin:I agree cane works, but only till a certain age. and it might have negative impact... -
Originally posted by dinky1409:
I agree except for the last paragraph.
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Hey there.. I agree with your points and I would not agree to extreme uses of the cane but it shouldn't be taken out of the school system completely. It's true about the students who tucks out and smoke. But if the disciplinary system in the school is going to be purely non-physical, its quite logical to say these example students are going to increase in numbers and together with the fact that the media and society is getting more liberal, the increase would be at an alarming rate!
Yes most of us will become parents in future. But you forget too, that probably both parents will be working. In an example of a typical day. I bet you the majority of the day you have no idea what the child is doing. He/she will be in school most of the time. One day, how would you feel if your child comes home, and he told you to fuck off? The chances of this happening is becoming more and more likely if the schooling system starts to go easy on them. Counselling or the cane in the principal office? Which would probably help to prevent such a case from happening to you in future? It might happen, I'm not saying its not, but shouldn't steps be taken to reduce the chances of it happening? And in this case, a proper disciplinary system in the school?
Taking myself as an example. I have thought about it before. Both my parents was still working when I was a kid. Most of the childhood was spent with my cousins. Elder cousin taught us how to shoplift. (Bubblegums at that time) I knew it was wrong but I was too young to understand the implications of such act. Until one day, my elder brother caught me shoplifting an eraser. I proudly showed him ( a rare country eraser at that time) and he was shocked and scolded me. I got scared and threw it away.
Yes he didn't use violence here but that's not my point. I don't emphasise on violence as a solution. I emphasise the point of instilling of fear so as to prevent wrongdoings. For our purpose, the cane is that tool of fear, rather than "sunshine rainbow" rooms for counselling.
Parents are of course the most important stakeholder in a child's upbringing. Never denied that. But education is important too. Trained animals? If you think about it properly, all of us ARE trained animals. Not convince? Laws, regulations, guidelines, societal norms, ethical standards, cultural practices, moral standards kept us trained, my friend. I don't propose the extremes of caning or corporal punishments even for the slightest things. I'm just concerned that as society becomes more liberal, shouldn't schools be more tougher in terms of disciplining the kids instead of getting more lenient?[/b]
Humans cannot be classified as trained animals. Humans are capable of complexed cognitive processes which far surpasses any other animals.
Laws, regulations, ethical standards and so on are set because we have shaped the modern world ourselves, and we need something to remind ourselves to keep it this way.
If human moulds everything we have today, how can we be trained? ethics, laws, bla bla bla are all set to cope with the ever evolving cognitive processes, not to set us in place. -
Then i would like to suggest you trying to be a teacher for 6 months.Originally posted by allentyb:Actually in my opinion, kids are just kids, they wanted to be treated with respect, and though, some of them, are ignorant in their actions, so we as an adult should guide them, and maybe they are full of s h i t most of the time, but still, they also want their voice to be heard, not just be treated like any other kiddo,
and furthermore, we as an adult, should be more gracious and more forgiving, if they want respect, they should earn it, instead of thinking, it shall be bestow upon them, the more they whine about the unjust treatment, the more, they will treated as a kid, if they wanted to be treated as equal, first they must prove it, instead of just talk, after all, action speak louder than words
i wouldn't care much about what a kid has to say, after they are just flies flying around my ears, until they learn about etiquette, mannerism.Why should the government give priority to the kids, since they don't have the power to vote, and therefore, do they have any rights, i think most of them totally forgotten about this.
If we as an adult, fail to lead them in example, and squabble around with them, then truly, we are no different from them
Cheers, let them grumble, all they want, after all, this is their 'growing' up period while i drink my tea, and enjoy the little drama, they are creating
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hey there! =)Originally posted by ChingAlvin:I agree except for the last paragraph.
Humans cannot be classified as trained animals. Humans are capable of complexed cognitive processes which far surpasses any other animals.
Laws, regulations, ethical standards and so on are set because we have shaped the modern world ourselves, and we need something to remind ourselves to keep it this way.
If human moulds everything we have today, how can we be trained? ethics, laws, bla bla bla are all set to cope with the ever evolving cognitive processes, not to set us in place.
of course it would definitely be absurd to classify you and me outrightly as trained animals but think about it again. You mentioned we are capable of complexed cognitive processes. We set those rules to remind ourselves. Isn't that what "training" is all about? To adhere to these rules, to do this, to do that, all in a particular way. We are "trained" to think logically. "Trained" to see this is wrong, that is right. Aren't all of us "trained" to speak the language now? Anyway, lets not get off topic yah? Haha..
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My thought is that, to be trained, it means to follow a certain set of guidelines without fail.Originally posted by dinky1409:hey there! =)
of course it would definitely be absurd to classify you and me outrightly as trained animals but think about it again. You mentioned we are capable of complexed cognitive processes. We set those rules to remind ourselves. Isn't that what "training" is all about? To adhere to these rules, to do this, to do that, all in a particular way. We are "trained" to think logically. "Trained" to see this is wrong, that is right. Aren't all of us "trained" to speak the language now? Anyway, lets not get off topic yah? Haha..
Cherios!
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true true. i will never say that studying overseas is a bad thing. =)Originally posted by chenc:Not always true.
Studying overseas, as many thought, is superior than to study locally because of the better education resources offered.
However, its the skills and perspective gained that is the most important.
From sgforum, you can already see many locals complaining about foreigners, and the way they act. These people mostly spent their entire life in Spore. Well, there may be occasional travels, but never long stay in another country.
The world outside is a lot more complicated. Allowing a student to study overseas by himself lets him gain experience. He has to look for his own place to stay, maybe share an apartment with others, there will be many chances for him to encounter all sorts of people you don't get to see in Singapore.
but still some prefer to stay and study locally. so i was just wondering if these people have more opportunity to pursue their education here instead of abroad? and i wonder if the government attract students to stay..?