Should the Hwa Chong student be suspended?
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His friends know him well…the school knows him well… his parents know him well. If I might refer to the comment “well-behaved and good student” from the school, I would like to point out that there is a good chance that this is an accurate representation of the boy.
Freaking long essay you wrote, but I don't agree with this part.
In nearly all crimes, their family, their friends, their schools, their churches, their whoever say they are a well-behaved person bla bla bla. And yes, they know very well.
When something happens, they are shocked, they say this is impossible.
Well-behaved doesn't mean one doesn't have bad tempers, a bad-tempered person doesn't mean he's a crook.
Remember the Yellow Ribbon project advertisement? Where they show a tattooed portrayed as a bad man near a little girl, the woman nearly called the police? It turns out that he is someone related to the girl.
The world is not as simple as it seems. What is harmless may not be really harmless. -
the hitting part sure is trueOriginally posted by Empathy90:IsnÂ’t it refreshing how when such a controversy occurs, suddenly many judicial officials and prosecutors appear online to give their say on such a matter? Seriously, as much as we as citizens of Singapore are entitled to their own opinion, I believe that this media persecution of sorts have been carried too far.
First of all, to the moralists out there who seem to be well informed of the entire incident, IÂ’ll like to challenge you to look at your source and how viable it is. From my knowledge (which might be wrong, and if so, pardon me), most of your information comes from a particular tabloid called The New Paper. Let me (as a mere being) remind you that it IS a tabloid. Tabloids do provide information, yes. But is the information dissipated 100% accurate? This is regrettably unable to be confirmed. Yet somehow or another, many moralists that seem to lurk this board seem to pounce on every bit of information encapsulated, and seem to buy all the information provided by a tabloid. A tabloid. A mere medium of information that contains some forms of untrue news. How can you moralists, sit on your high horse and accept all the information provided without any questioning?
hallo, bashing someone just to get away tell us much about a person character. i am no moralist, i don't have a horse
What about the boy? Sure, he does come from a so-called elite school, but nonetheless, he IS still a boy. Just like the neighbourhood 17 year old geek, or the 17 year old beng from the opposite street. Being from an elite school, should not warrant him any special mention when compared to that of another delinquent from some other school. Expecting more out of an adolescent due to background is unfair.
we expect him to be logical, hitting someone isn't logical
What about his personality? It is curious that upon reading the tabloid article, half of the moralists here seem to know him personally, and to a close proximity at that. Names like “Beng” or “gangster” have been unjustly stereotyped onto him. But is he really a gangster? Or a neighbourhood scoundrel? No one here knows him personally, and hence none of us should come to a conclusion on the type of person he is. Yes, perhaps he is a troubled child. A troubled child who flares at the slightest provocation and attacks the nearest perpetrator, causing significant bodily harm. But he could also be a hearty teenager, who at a moment’s weakness, attacked the bus driver out of impulse. No one here knows who he is… or how he is as a person. It isn’t fair to slap stereotypes of ‘scoundrels’, ‘delinquents’ and ‘Beng’ on him, just because he hit the bus driver, details courtesy of a single tabloid. Ultimately, none of us know him personally, and hence cannot criticize him as a person. However, we CAN criticize his actions. And I am saddened that most here have expressed choice words on the boy’s character instead.
hitting anyone just isn't right. i condemn his actions not his character since i don't even know him
His friends know him well…the school knows him well… his parents know him well. If I might refer to the comment “well-behaved and good student” from the school, I would like to point out that there is a good chance that this is an accurate representation of the boy. However, many of you swept it under the carpet, claiming this to be bullcrap. But in reality, no one knows what type of a person he is, and hence no concrete comment/evidence should be entirely disregarded. Also, the fact that his father would kneel down for mercy, speaks volumes of what the father expects from the child. Certainly, the father of a delinquent would not simply kneel down for mercy, especially if he had to do so several times beforehand.
i have posted earlier, most teachers wrote "well-behaved and good student" as a remark on their students' report books becos they don't know much of their students. most of my form teachers don't know me at all or seldom bother to know me, their remarks in my report book r "quiet, well-behaved n gd student, capable of higher grades"
And the bus driver? No doubt what he had done was in his line of duty, and as a proud worker of the company, he stuck to policy and did what he had to do. Many of the moralists around here seem to realize that, and thatÂ’s good. But perhaps the attitude, tone and action that was taken by the bus driver might have veered off course? Perhaps what transpired between the grabbing of the girlÂ’s hand sparked off a protectionist impulse from the sensitive boy? No, IÂ’m not condemning what the bus driver did or said. But perhaps, there was a better of handling things? Maybe a polite tone and a non-physical action taken would have been more appropriate? Do bear in mind that I am of the stand that the bus driver did what he had to do in his line of duty. But howeverÂ… could there perhaps have been a better way of tackling things?
r u there?? do u know he didn't give a verbal warning b4 he grabbed the gal's arm, even if he did not give a verbal warning, it may becos the gal n the guy were rushing for the door hence he has to act fast. all these r assumptions cos we r not there.
Then perhaps counters to my arguments put forth would bring up the eye-witness accounts of a certain Canadian passenger. But that leads me back to the point that The New Paper is, and functions as, a tabloid. While it would be a huge accusation to completely dismiss the eye-witness account as false, but isnÂ’t there a glimmer of a possibility that that piece of evidence is fabricated? Nothing is conclusive however, and hence I urge everyone here, especially the moralists on a persecuting row, to take all information provided with a pinch of salt.
Indeed, if allegations of the boy hitting the bus driver was true, the boy is definitely to blame. But then one must ask themselves, does the blame fall solely on the boy? Or should the bus driver as a mature, and perhaps respected person of society bear a small portion of the blame too?
yalor, the parents oso have to share the blame -
Precisely. Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. Why don't we all just back off and let the police and those with authority deal with the entire situation? Instead of putting them on a mini-trial here?
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Originally posted by Skibi:For you...declare 302 first. Then CARRY ON. V
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u edited my post in yr quote n still dare to cook up this trash
u sure know how to lie
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u sure that guy isn't yr cloneOriginally posted by Rock^Star:You do live up to your nick and your take on this matter is crystal clear. Not many choose to see it this way though. -
who put them on trial, we r just giving suggestion on what should be doneOriginally posted by Empathy90:Precisely. Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. Why don't we all just back off and let the police and those with authority deal with the entire situation? Instead of putting them on a mini-trial here? -
Originally posted by Kenashi:
Hi Lucy...you must be the liar! V
LUCIFER that's my hidden name!!V -
eh den haf forum for wat. i tot is a place to discuss interesting things no?Originally posted by Empathy90:Precisely. Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. Why don't we all just back off and let the police and those with authority deal with the entire situation? Instead of putting them on a mini-trial here? -
近也不是，退也不是Originally posted by Empathy90:Precisely. Assumptions, assumptions and more assumptions. Why don't we all just back off and let the police and those with authority deal with the entire situation? Instead of putting them on a mini-trial here? -
yar.. agree.. just let it be.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:近也不是，退也不是 -
Then assuming the same line of thought you seem to have adopted, couldn't the 'civil' bus driver's actions contain an element of uncivil-ness? Since the harmless may not be really harmless, and the civil may not be actually civil?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Freaking long essay you wrote, but I don't agree with this part.
In nearly all crimes, their family, their friends, their schools, their churches, their whoever say they are a well-behaved person bla bla bla. And yes, they know very well.
When something happens, they are shocked, they say this is impossible.
Well-behaved doesn't mean one doesn't have bad tempers, a bad-tempered person doesn't mean he's a crook.
Remember the Yellow Ribbon project advertisement? Where they show a tattooed portrayed as a bad man near a little girl, the woman nearly called the police? It turns out that he is someone related to the girl.
The world is not as simple as it seems. What is harmless may not be really harmless.
~hallo, bashing someone just to get away tell us much about a person character. i am no moralist, i don't have a horse
hitting anyone just isn't right. i condemn his actions not his character since i don't even know him
So much for not trying to impose a certain character on an individual that nobody seems to know about. The act could have been on impulse. I'm certain any sane person would be able to tell tales of how one's body snaps into Auto-Pilot mode during incidences of high stress. That COULD perhaps have been the case.
~i have posted earlier, most teachers wrote "well-behaved and good student" as a remark on their students' report books becos they don't know much of their students. most of my form teachers don't know me at all or seldom bother to know me, their remarks in my report book r "quiet, well-behaved n gd student, capable of higher grades"
Having friends from elite schools, I would like to say that my observations are that teachers of such schools do make the conscientious effort to get to know each of the students well.
~r u there?? do u know he didn't give a verbal warning b4 he grabbed the gal's arm, even if he did not give a verbal warning, it may becos the gal n the guy were rushing for the door hence he has to act fast. all these r assumptions cos we r not there.
Yes, I wasn't there, and neither were you. In fact, none of us here were there. But one thing's for certain... for every path taken, there is another path for choice. And perhaps in that situation, that other path would have been a better choice.
~who put them on trial, we r just giving suggestion on what should be done
Isn't a trial but one that examines proof and condemns one side of the party? Pardon my comprehension skills, but that seemed to be the main aim of the past 16 or so pages in this thread.[/b] -
Then assuming the same line of thought you seem to have adopted, couldn't the 'civil' bus driver's actions contain an element of uncivil-ness? Since the harmless may not be really harmless, and the civil may not be actually civil?
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Originally posted by Skibi:Hi Lucy...you must be the liar! VV lucifer is just a name, u can't accept it, that's yr problem, Mr Liar
i need to clarify "Skibi is a kid, when he can't win using words, he does the stupidest thing he can think of, i pitied him really " -
Originally posted by Empathy90:
no, it isn't.
So much for not trying to impose a certain character on an individual that nobody seems to know about. The act could have been on impulse. I'm certain any sane person would be able to tell tales of how one's body snaps into Auto-Pilot mode during incidences of high stress. That COULD perhaps have been the case.
as u have said, could have not was. if that's all it takes to snap him, i wonder what happen during exams
Having friends from elite schools, I would like to say that my observations are that teachers of such schools do make the conscientious effort to get to know each of the students well.
i oso had friends from RI, RJC, n others reputable schools, they only told me that the teachers just want them to get high marks so as not to drag the ranking down not much interaction with the teachers unless u r one of those who shone among diamonds
Yes, I wasn't there, and neither were you. In fact, none of us here were there. But one thing's for certain... for every path taken, there is another path for choice. And perhaps in that situation, that other path would have been a better choice.
i sure as hell think that the other path would be better, but since he didn't take it, he need to pay for the path he took
Isn't a trial but one that examines proof and condemns one side of the party? Pardon my comprehension skills, but that seemed to be the main aim of the past 16 or so pages in this thread.[/b][/b]
did u see a judge, the lawyers or the media??
the main aim of these pages is to find a suitable price for his actions
what we deemed to be sufficient to deterred future such actions from occurring -
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Give the kid the benefit of the doubt. If he has ill conduct in school, most probably the school would have commented "conduct has room for improvement" or "satisfactory". No school would comment "ill behaved".Originally posted by tokyofire:Some have split personalities. No school will refer it's student as "ill-behaved" etc. Many school will gives good feedbacks as not to discourage the parents. These are craps. The father is useless, he should give the HCI boy a tight slap infront of the SBS driver.
And no, the father should never slap the kid in front of the driver. That will kill his confidence and hurt his pride. Would you do that to your kid in front of his victim if he committed a wrong? Profuse apologies, yes but no slapping. -
Nobody ever said that he shouldn't pay the price, no worries.Originally posted by Kenashi:no, it isn't.
did u see a judge, the lawyers or the media??
the main aim of these pages is to find a suitable price for his actions
what we deemed to be sufficient to deterred future such actions from occurring
He's below 18, still a minor. Under Singapore jurisdiction, the most he will receive is a fine, Boy's Home or both. -
that's old school, but at least it worked in the pastOriginally posted by Rock^Star:Give the kid the benefit of the doubt. If he has ill conduct in school, most probably the school would have commented "conduct has room for improvement" or "satisfactory". No school would comment "ill behaved".
And no, the father should never slap the kid in front of the driver. That will kill his confidence and hurt his pride. Would you do that to your kid in front of his victim if he committed a wrong? Profuse apologies, yes but no slapping.
nowaday, teenagers r too pampered, the parents don't even scold their children when they did something wrong
kill his confidence, i think he lost everything when he start crying like a baby, not to say the least about his confidence
of course lah, shaming often leave a lasting impression too -
most of the price listed just ain't harsh enoughOriginally posted by Rock^Star:Nobody ever said that he shouldn't pay the price, no worries.
He's below 18, still a minor. Under Singapore jurisdiction, the most he will receive is a fine, Boy's Home or both.
furthermore, this is going to be a benchmark case.
minor refer to below 16, below 18 is a teenager, he can be charged as an adult -
There's no such term as "teenager" in law. He's a minor if under 18.Originally posted by Kenashi:most of the price listed just ain't harsh enough
furthermore, this is going to be a benchmark case.
minor refer to below 16, below 18 is a teenager, he can be charged as an adult -
He has already lost so much face.....crying when the police came, that's shameful enough. Cut him some slack.....And it's over the national press too, still not shameful enough?Originally posted by Kenashi:that's old school, but at least it worked in the past
nowaday, teenagers r too pampered, the parents don't even scold their children when they did something wrong
kill his confidence, i think he lost everything when he start crying like a baby, not to say the least about his confidence
of course lah, shaming often leave a lasting impression too -
If this guy will to be left off with light punishment (From a % of citizens' views), then next time, can i say that below 18, as a minor, can just punch anyone out there on the road?
I see you "bio" my char bor, i not happy, i punch you. But i'm not worried becoz i'm still under 18, still a "minor", the penalty or punishment i'll get will prob. be just doing some community services or warnings or light sentences which i can afford...????
Is that true?