Furthering studies in UK
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Hello people.... I'm 20 this year, still serving my NS. All the while, i've been harbouring thoughts of furthering my undergrad studies overseas preferrably UK (which is earliest next year, coz i ord this year)
So i have a few questions. Firstly, my interests lies in econs/biz and i'm quite apt in maths and econs. My a's grades are aabc (result for math, econ, chem, phy), b4. What kind of courses should i apply for, if i want to land myself on to the route of becoming an investment banker or accountant? Yup, what courses and instituitions will be suitable for me given my grades? I've currently found one that caught my interest, Bsc in Acc & Finance at LSE - standard acceptance grade is AAB. But typical competition is 2k+ for 100+ places so i think it's quite competitive.
Secondly, i know my grades arent fantastic so i dont think i can clinch any scholarships. Understand it requires about 300k sgd for 3 years studies in london, so is there any study loans i can obtain? Is it recommended if i study and work part time to lessen financial load?
Thirdly, i'm taking my SAT and JLPT for interests sake and perhaps to clinch a local uni scholarship if i don't get overseas afterall. Will these academic results aid me in my UCAS application?
Lastly, anyone knows the application deadline for 2008? I've ploughed through the site but to no avail.
Thanks for any help rendered!
An undergrad-to-be hoping to venture into foreign lands. -
LSE,UOL?
Very tough eh,the passing mark is only 34 out of 100,but be prepare that the 34marks is not easy. -
what do you mean by 34/100? 100 ppl apply, 34 accepted?
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Originally posted by thousandisland:
Just being frank here.
Hello people.... I'm 20 this year, still serving my NS. All the while, i've been harbouring thoughts of furthering my undergrad studies overseas preferrably UK (which is earliest next year, coz i ord this year)
So i have a few questions. Firstly, my interests lies in econs/biz and i'm quite apt in maths and econs. My a's grades are aabc (result for math, econ, chem, phy), b4. What kind of courses should i apply for, if i want to land myself on to the route of becoming an investment banker or accountant? [b]Yup, what courses and instituitions will be suitable for me given my grades? I've currently found one that caught my interest, Bsc in Acc & Finance at LSE - standard acceptance grade is AAB. But typical competition is 2k+ for 100+ places so i think it's quite competitive.
Secondly, i know my grades arent fantastic so i dont think i can clinch any scholarships. Understand it requires about 300k sgd for 3 years studies in london, so is there any study loans i can obtain? Is it recommended if i study and work part time to lessen financial load?
Thirdly, i'm taking my SAT and JLPT for interests sake and perhaps to clinch a local uni scholarship if i don't get overseas afterall. Will these academic results aid me in my UCAS application?
Lastly, anyone knows the application deadline for 2008? I've ploughed through the site but to no avail.
Thanks for any help rendered!
An undergrad-to-be hoping to venture into foreign lands. [/b]
First of all - if you cannot afford the fees in uk , you have to see if you can get a scholarship. Always good to go on scholarship ( preferably without bond).
Second of all - I won't be in a hurry to obtain bank loans - do you really want to be stuck with 300k SGD with the current job market in Singapore? That is already a bad investment decision if you are thinking of taking out a 300k loan and frankly no bank will back you unless your parents can guarantee with their assets or your assets which must be = 300k.
Try for Singaporean Unis if you have difficulty coughing up the dough. NUS and NTU are not too bad.
Third - London - it's freaking expensive to live there - at least 20k pounds is the amount that you need to comfortably survive there- Cambridge/Oxford at least 16k pounds to survive since they are way out of london. No point in worrying about money when you are studying there - you get financially stressed out and it will impact somewhat on your studies.
Fourth - I am not sure about working as a student in UK because I never studied in UK but each country comes with its rules on student visas. There is some difficulty with finding jobs there especially if they have visa restrictions on international students. Free internships yes - paid work - very very hard unless it is under the table and that is when you get into trouble with immigration who has the power to kick you out of the country. -
yah but it's always been my dream and desire to study abroad. too bad i 'bu zhen qi' ... A's didnt do very well. got a place in smu to study accountancy already. but still optimistically keeping my choices open haha, maybe my papa tio 4d or toto then i can fufil my dreams?
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Bachelor degree does not mean much now in the global sense unless you are from oxford or cambridge. Even then , you have to be the best of the best.
Financially it is better to study for a bachelor degree cheaply and do well, then invest in your post grad in a good university or apply for a scholarship if you are in the top cohort. Investment Bankers - doesn't matter what their qualifications are - they have to have very good forecasting skills and luck. -
Passing mark for examsOriginally posted by thousandisland:what do you mean by 34/100? 100 ppl apply, 34 accepted? -
You need lots of € to survive in England.
Since you know your grades aren't that good ,there is no use of you trying to study abroad and paying off 300k when you come back.Whats worse,no job?
Can I work?
You can take part-time or holiday work, but you must not:
* work for more than 20 hours a week during term time unless your placement is part of your studies, has been agreed with your educational institution and leads to a degree or qualification awarded by a nationally recognised examining body
* do business, be self-employed or provide services as a professional sportsperson or entertainer, or
* work full-time in a permanent job.
If you are coming to the UK as a student for six months or less, you must ask the Entry Clearance Officer (or the Immigration Officer if you do not need an entry clearance) for permission to work. -
If I were you, I learn from my mistakes and move on. In my life, I do that often - bu zhen qi then learn the hard way and move on.Originally posted by thousandisland:yah but it's always been my dream and desire to study abroad. too bad i 'bu zhen qi' ... A's didnt do very well. got a place in smu to study accountancy already. but still optimistically keeping my choices open haha, maybe my papa tio 4d or toto then i can fufil my dreams?
thanks for your frank reply.
If you are really interested in that destination - just do accountancy and get CPA or Chartered accountants as a fallback - always good to have a skill. Then intern for a bank in Singapore and see how it goes- extra work never mind as long as you learn the tricks of the trade. Another good degree to have is a operations research and statistics degree - they play on probability which impacts majorly on investments on top of the economics.
I myself, have nursing as the fall back if my dream does not work out. I am already in what I see as a dream job and I am not in nursing anymore.
There are many ways to get to things you want - just whether you want to do it or not. -
CPA?how to get it after obtaining an accounting degree?what are the requirements?what are the advantages of having it?more job position?what the differences between someone who have a CPA and one without it,u still can apply as an accounting executive without a CPA right?Originally posted by fymk:If I were you, I learn from my mistakes and move on. In my life, I do that often - bu zhen qi then learn the hard way and move on.
If you are really interested in that destination - just do accountancy and get CPA or Chartered accountants as a fallback - always good to have a skill. Then intern for a bank in Singapore and see how it goes- extra work never mind as long as you learn the tricks of the trade. Another good degree to have is a operations research and statistics degree - they play on probability which impacts majorly on investments on top of the economics.
I myself, have nursing as the fall back if my dream does not work out. I am already in what I see as a dream job and I am not in nursing anymore.
There are many ways to get to things you want - just whether you want to do it or not. -
Think of your parents, are they rich? Who will be the guarantor for your bank loan?
It's already a great thing that you have secured a place in SMU, perhaps you may like to get a degree there first, earn the money and then try for a Master's in UK.
You want to be an investment banker? Your accountancy degree is a good start. Aim for first class honours and it wouldn't be difficult once you get started in banks. -
yah bu zhen qi has been what i've been commiting so far. lol in smu, it's even harder to get 1st class. been told there's alot of rj muggers there. faints, competition wise, it could be the most intense of all 3.
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mind sharing what dream job you're in now.Originally posted by fymk:If I were you, I learn from my mistakes and move on. In my life, I do that often - bu zhen qi then learn the hard way and move on.
If you are really interested in that destination - just do accountancy and get CPA or Chartered accountants as a fallback - always good to have a skill. Then intern for a bank in Singapore and see how it goes- extra work never mind as long as you learn the tricks of the trade. Another good degree to have is a operations research and statistics degree - they play on probability which impacts majorly on investments on top of the economics.
I myself, have nursing as the fall back if my dream does not work out. I am already in what I see as a dream job and I am not in nursing anymore.
There are many ways to get to things you want - just whether you want to do it or not. -
Hello there...
1st of all, u say u r gd in maths, etc. perhaps uk is really suitable plc for finance study. U could choose economics, finance, etc.
Normally, the term starts from oct. Since u r talking abt yr 2008, then u can start applying for it in early 2008. the deadline most probably before jun 2008.
As for £££, u could try to apply scholarship in sg lik LYY or others, if not u can go for bank loans. U can work in uk but oni as a part-imers, but believe me, u wun have much time for working...i would advise u to concentrate on ur studies.
As for the choices of institution, u can look for top 100 uni in uk. U might get resourceful info at British council.
Last but not least, gd luck ~ -
LSE is even harder. The world wants to study in LSE.Originally posted by thousandisland:yah bu zhen qi has been what i've been commiting so far. lol in smu, it's even harder to get 1st class. been told there's alot of rj muggers there. faints, competition wise, it could be the most intense of all 3.
$300,000..........bank interest rates are very high. You will spend a long time paying it back. Unless your parents are rich. -
I am working with data sets and mathematical/statistical modelling of diseases in Australia on a national level. That was what I wanted to do. And I started writing papers to publish. Had co-authorship from 2 papers - so now need primary authorship of one major paper and working towards it .Originally posted by thousandisland:mind sharing what dream job you're in now. -
oic that's cool. all the wish in what you're doing!
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CPA or Chartered Accountants status- you can move around globally. Without either one of those, then you have to grow locally. It is about mobility in jobs now.Originally posted by KenPlus:CPA?how to get it after obtaining an accounting degree?what are the requirements?what are the advantages of having it?more job position?what the differences between someone who have a CPA and one without it,u still can apply as an accounting executive without a CPA right? -
so academic....Masters or phd thesis?Originally posted by fymk:I am working with data sets and mathematical/statistical modelling of diseases. That was what I wanted to do. And I started writing papers to publish. Had co-authorship from 2 papers - so now need primary authorship of one major paper and working towards it .
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I would not worry about RJCers or whatever in SMU. If they were that good, they would have got into NUS or NTU or gain a presidential scholarship.Originally posted by thousandisland:oic that's cool. all the wish in what you're doing!
SMU is a fairly new university - go in with a fresh start.
Personally I competed against a friend in an overseas university - my friend couldn't get into the top 2% cohort while I did. I went in and gave it my all and university gave me a scholarship to offset my international school fees. Know what? My friend was from one of the top JCs ( I think it was VJC or Temasek) and was prize winner in all the subjects in poly , was given a scholarship in Singapore to go over but couldn't get into 2%. -
Two of them are work related publications. My main paper is from my old master thesis and work place thinks it is usable to analyse the new data they have now.Originally posted by Xcert:so academic....Masters or phd thesis?
And come to think of it - so funny I hated maths when I was young. I actually manage to struggle past into masters level type of statistics without A maths or a JC education - nearly flunk it because I went for the accelerated course somemore. Then BAM...suddenly discovered I got an aptitude for it.
So now furthering into another postgrad for mathematical statistics with Special dispensation by my uni because I don't have higher university math background but all I can say is that they are very surprised with my results because no one expected me to get higher than 80 for the math.
Not academic . It is all hardwork. If I can do it, anyone can do it. -
U sound like U will eventually do a phd and end up in a uni.Originally posted by fymk:Two of them are work related publications. My main paper is from my old master thesis and work place thinks it is usable to analyse the new data they have now.
And come to think of it - so funny I hated maths when I was young. I actually manage to struggle past into masters level type of statistics without A maths or a JC education - nearly flunk it because I went for the accelerated course somemore. Then BAM...suddenly discovered I got an aptitude for it. So now furthering into another postgrad for mathematical statistics.
Not academic . It is all hardwork.
true..its all hardwork.
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you seem to have a slant towards smu vis-a-vis nus and ntu. act i think it's comparable in many sense. your friend from one top jc and prize winner in poly? from poly jump to jc? very rare.Originally posted by fymk:I would not worry about RJCers or whatever in SMU. If they were that good, they would have got into NUS or NTU or gain a presidential scholarship.
SMU is a fairly new university - go in with a fresh start.
Personally I competed against a friend in an overseas university - my friend couldn't get into the top 2% cohort while I did. I went in and gave it my all and university gave me a scholarship to offset my international school fees. Know what? My friend was from one of the top JCs ( I think it was VJC or Temasek) and was prize winner in all the subjects in poly , was given a scholarship in Singapore to go over but couldn't get into 2%. -
Whoa.....10k words I already have problems. 50-70k words? Hello ...cannot lah. Maybe I will end up with a PhD - permanent head damage.Originally posted by Xcert:U sound like U will eventually do a phd and end up in a uni.
true..its all hardwork.
My point is not to brag about it but to say if I can do it , anyone can do it.
Somemore , I was from Normal Stream....HAHAHAHHA I think a few of my teachers will faint if they hear about it. -
Because nursing that time , only polytechnic has . He went in for all the right reasons - because he was inspired.Originally posted by thousandisland:you seem to have a slant towards smu vis-a-vis nus and ntu. act i think it's comparable in many sense. your friend from one top jc and prize winner in poly? from poly jump to jc? very rare.
I went in because of parental pressure ( rice bowl etc)