TTSH's doctor no standard..........
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Young is not a problem, its the attitude that matters, whether the doctor is humble enough to be attentive to the patients needs or not. Some doctors, almost always the male ones, tend to treat patients like untouchables from a lower social class.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Our young doctors here need more training. Their standards are horrible. Even some nurses (go to TTSH A&E department you get what I mean) are better. The problem with local doctors is that they are young and are very young... they lack everything that senior and experienced doctors have.
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some doctors just like to cut open the body and do some experiment rather than treat patients properly.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
Just a word of advice, for serious illnesses never ever trust what the doctor says. Always do you own research carefully as it can be a life and death issue. If something doesn't seem right and the doctor is being pushy...asking you to sign whatever go-ahead form, its best to time out and ask around. Better to spend some effort being careful than have the next 40 years of your life screwed up. Taking a doctor to court is out of reach for most of us average people.
my condolences ....
but then again, not to sound cynical ... there's basically nothing much you can do ....
medicine, like law, is one of those closed, self-regulating professions where the gate-keepers protect their own ... the problem is, if a doctor says something is so, who else can say it's not ? ...
this thread just reminded me why I dislike doctors and lawyers so much all over again ... -
yes of course .... and that's the sad thing about it ... they are sort of a "neccessary evil" (an improvement over lawyers, which are purely parasitic)Originally posted by Skibi:Just a word of advice, for serious illnesses never ever trust what the doctor says. Always do you own research carefully as it can be a life and death issue. If something doesn't seem right and the doctor is being pushy...asking you to sign whatever go-ahead form, its best to time out and ask around. Better to spend some effort being careful than have the next 40 years of your life screwed up. Taking a doctor to court is out of reach for most of us average people.
I have no absolute confidence in doctors anywhere ... no matter their pedigree ... -
my mum had also bad experiences with public hospitals.She almost lost her life...i don want to type out the whole story again coz ive had posted before.
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It is already hurtful to loss your grandfather, the hurt will only deepen if he is to be cut so as to find out his 'real death'. This is not a murder case and why should 'he' go for autopsy to find out his death? Beside he is already dead, can just pronouce him dead and sign it and give 'him' back to u all. If so smart should already heal the person mah, not adding on suffering.
Reason for an autopsy?! The doctor can't determine did my grandfather died of constipation or because of his COPD. ABSOLUTE CRAP! His oxygen level in his blood was very low, obviously it has something got to do with his respiratory system, and that's definitely his sickly lungs. So obviously his cause of death is COPD, but they simply won't write that down on the death cert. and won't let us collect his body. Damn that b!tch doctor. I bet she's just trying to do an experiment on my grandfather to see how can he survive the final stage of COPD for so long.
We will definitely sue TTSH for that when the wake is over and everything has settled down. Thanks to anyone who cared to read my ultra-long post as I simply needed somewhere to rant about this incident.[/b] -
TTSH = Tia Tio Si Hospital means confirmed dead hospital!
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mi condolence...
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since 87 years old liao.. can't they just pass it off as of old age?
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I think I understand this... coming from a computer background, the advice given is to do no damage. As such, we do things a certain way... which always gives the wrong impression...Originally posted by Skibi:Young is not a problem, its the attitude that matters, whether the doctor is humble enough to be attentive to the patients needs or not. Some doctors, almost always the male ones, tend to treat patients like untouchables from a lower social class.
However, that's not to say that doctors' attitudes are good... some are just plain bad.
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i haf a similar case...
my friend was admitted in TTSH.. for dengue fever...
den after the 1st blood test... they say... its viral infections... so sent back....
den 2nd blood test... still viral infections..
3rd blood test..... DENGUE FEVER... immediately admitted into TTSH...
den 4th blood test... sent back again... for wat?? its not dengue fever...
my friend has his whole arms.. swollen for?? not becos of mosquito bite.. but for needles... -
How about Changi hospital?
Any complains about them?
I find them quite ok..so far I went to skin centre, Alexandra, SGH and Changi hospital.
I find changi hospital the best -
correction, nw every hospital is filled with trainee doctors not only TTSH, GH also got a lot of trainee doctors. those experience doctors let those trainee to gain experience for those minor case. They only appear when they cant handle or big thing come out.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:That doctor is probably right... if there are enough wastes in your body without being cleared... you can jolly well wait to die...
Anyway, TTSH is a place more for trainee doctors... most of the doctors there are very young. Every time something must happen before you get to see a senior doctor who will be able to handle it better and diagnose better.
It happened to my grandma... so understandable.
Well wat my view is those experience doctors giv specical attention to those who are rich and can afford their fees. but this is my view only. -
In TTSH, I see lots of trainee doctors in A&E department. I won't call that dept minor, despite it being misused.Originally posted by sirAdrian:correction, nw every hospital is filled with trainee doctors not only TTSH, GH also got a lot of trainee doctors. those experience doctors let those trainee to gain experience for those minor case. They only appear when they cant handle or big thing come out.
Well wat my view is those experience doctors giv specical attention to those who are rich and can afford their fees. but this is my view only.
So far, my experience with those senior doctors hasn't been bad. At least for TTSH. SGH... haix -
X 2.Originally posted by Skibi:Just a word of advice, for serious illnesses never ever trust what the doctor says. Always do you own research carefully as it can be a life and death issue. If something doesn't seem right and the doctor is being pushy...asking you to sign whatever go-ahead form, its best to time out and ask around. Better to spend some effort being careful than have the next 40 years of your life screwed up. Taking a doctor to court is out of reach for most of us average people. -
Quite true for some of them.... But like every field and workplace, there're always black sheeps around.... There're also doctors who GENUINELY CARE.... ALOT....Originally posted by sirAdrian:correction, nw every hospital is filled with trainee doctors not only TTSH, GH also got a lot of trainee doctors. those experience doctors let those trainee to gain experience for those minor case. They only appear when they cant handle or big thing come out.
Well wat my view is those experience doctors giv specical attention to those who are rich and can afford their fees. but this is my view only. -
Before u decide to do anything drastic. Please see the situation from the other persepective.Originally posted by alleggerita:Today morning at around 4.15am, my grandfather passed away at Tan Tock Seng Hospital. They only called the emergency contact person (which is my auntie) at 4.20am, telling her that my grandfather was "very ill" when in fact he's already dead. This is still acceptable as maybe some doctor is trying to resuscitate my grandfather while the nurse contacted my auntie.
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We will definitely sue TTSH for that when the wake is over and everything has settled down. Thanks to anyone who cared to read my ultra-long post as I simply needed somewhere to rant about this incident.
Are you aware that a doctor on call (normally house officers which have just graduated from medical school) are to cover a few levels for more than 12hrs in the night?
One level consist of 4 wards. Depending on which department this HO belongs to, he or she has to cover ALOT of patients (too lazy to count how many exactly).
If u are a doc just from medical sch and has to serve ur night shift covering so many patients? will you be able to handle the stress?
My guess - this is a new doc could be inexperience, and could have handle the situation better.
If we do not give chance to new doctors, the old doctors will eventually die off w/o good docs to take over them. -
what happen to your friend now? So horrificOriginally posted by ichi87:i haf a similar case...
my friend was admitted in TTSH.. for dengue fever...
den after the 1st blood test... they say... its viral infections... so sent back....
den 2nd blood test... still viral infections..
3rd blood test..... DENGUE FEVER... immediately admitted into TTSH...
den 4th blood test... sent back again... for wat?? its not dengue fever...
my friend has his whole arms.. swollen for?? not becos of mosquito bite.. but for needles...
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Yes, the doctor that attended to us is definitely on night duty..but I'm sure she's not really making her rounds before my grandfather's death occured because I can even see the mark of her bedsheets on her face, and she looked tired while talking to us..so obviously she was asleep then..Originally posted by C-100:Before u decide to do anything drastic. Please see the situation from the other persepective.
Are you aware that a doctor on call (normally house officers which have just graduated from medical school) are to cover a few levels for more than 12hrs in the night?
One level consist of 4 wards. Depending on which department this HO belongs to, he or she has to cover ALOT of patients (too lazy to count how many exactly).
If u are a doc just from medical sch and has to serve ur night shift covering so many patients? will you be able to handle the stress?
My guess - this is a new doc could be inexperience, and could have handle the situation better.
If we do not give chance to new doctors, the old doctors will eventually die off w/o good docs to take over them. -
well for me i always go SGH, TTSH once only so i dun really noe, SGH do have trainee doc and so do other hospitals, to lend them have real experience.
Anyway, the hospitals and doc in Singapore should improve more, as they keep increasing the fees. -
well i guess in every job, everyone will begin as a trainee or somewhat junior. No one can become senior doctor overnight.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:In TTSH, I see lots of trainee doctors in A&E department. I won't call that dept minor, despite it being misused.
So far, my experience with those senior doctors hasn't been bad. At least for TTSH. SGH... haix -
Ya... but at least have some senior docs at A&E... I hardly see them.Originally posted by ovaltine:well i guess in every job, everyone will begin as a trainee or somewhat junior. No one can become senior doctor overnight. -
I am sorry to hear abt this. My condolences..Originally posted by alleggerita:Today morning at around 4.15am, my grandfather passed away at Tan Tock Seng Hospital. They only called the emergency contact person (which is my auntie) at 4.20am, telling her that my grandfather was "very ill" when in fact he's already dead. This is still acceptable as maybe some doctor is trying to resuscitate my grandfather while the nurse contacted my auntie.
But what PISSED my WHOLE family off was when the doctor in-charged of signing off my grandfather's death cert. told us that they "suspected" foul play and they are handing the case over to the coroner and let the coroner decide whether should they do an autopsy to find the cause of death.
We objected to autopsy as that would mean "cutting up" my grandfather. We would never let that happen.
Ok, let's backtrack a little here. The reason that my grandfather was admitted into hospital was due to his constipation. After X-Ray-ing his tummy, doctors said there's a lot of stool that needs to be cleared. They also found out that his lungs was infected, AGAIN. My grandfather has COPD final stage due to his smoking habit last time. COPD is a form of lung disease. His lungs will get infected every now and then and he got to have constant oxygen supply. Doctors initially said he wouldn't survive till Feburary, but he managed to struggle all the way to 21st of July. Probably thanks to his SHARP mind. I would say his mind is only "60-years-old" even though in truth he's already 87-years-old.
So after TTSH treated his constipation, they said he can be discharged after just ONE day. We were all shocked at that point in time, we thought TTSH wasn't going to treat his lungs infection. But last minute, TTSH changed their mind and decided not to discharge my grandfather. So on that night at 4am, when the nurse on night-duty checked out my grandfather, his oxygen level in his blood is already very low and he's non-responsive, probably in a coma already. He called for a doctor to come and when the doctor came at 4.15am, it was too late.
Reason for an autopsy?! The doctor can't determine did my grandfather died of constipation or because of his COPD. ABSOLUTE CRAP! His oxygen level in his blood was very low, obviously it has something got to do with his respiratory system, and that's definitely his sickly lungs. So obviously his cause of death is COPD, but they simply won't write that down on the death cert. and won't let us collect his body. Damn that b!tch doctor. I bet she's just trying to do an experiment on my grandfather to see how can he survive the final stage of COPD for so long.
We will definitely sue TTSH for that when the wake is over and everything has settled down. Thanks to anyone who cared to read my ultra-long post as I simply needed somewhere to rant about this incident.
but let me share my 2 cents worth-
there are some criteria as to when to refer a case to the coroner, one of which is when the cause of death is unclear or unexpected. While reading your entry on your grandfather, the most likely cause of death is still COPD, he might not be expected to succumb that night (i.e the sudden deterioration of his condition). And the female doctor who was on call that night will not and should not sign the death certificate just that. Of course i can't over-generalise all cases.
Moreover, i don't think she is in any way related to the autopsy/"experiment" cos it won't be done by her anyway.
Communication does play an important role in managing doctor-patient and doctor-relative relationship, and i believe this is probably the root of all problems even in other working community. -
hmm there should be one senior consultant on duty anytime.. probably somewhere rescusitating or handling difficult cases..Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Ya... but at least have some senior docs at A&E... I hardly see them.