Odex Seeking Compensation From Anime Downloaders
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I just read from Channel NewsAsia Online bulletin.
This article should be more reliable.
Odex dint win though, the appeal was rejected but names are supposed to be revealed by Pacnet to the 6 Japanese Anime distributors instead.
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Court rejects Odex's appeal to reveal downloaders' names
By Satish Cheney, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 29 January 2008 2145 hrsSINGAPORE: Anime distributor Odex Tuesday lost its appeal to the Singapore High Court to force internet service provider Pacific Internet (PacNet) to reveal the names of its subscribers suspected of downloading anime clips illegally.
The appeal was dismissed on the grounds that Odex is just a sub-licensee but not the copyright owner or the exclusive licensee.
Instead, the courts ordered PacNet to hand over the information to the six Japanese companies, Sunrise Inc., Kadokawa Pictures Inc., GDH K.K., TV Tokyo Medianet Inc., Yomiuri Telecasting Corporation and Showgate Inc., which actually own the copyrights.
The ruling has paved way for further enforcement actions by other copyright owners.
Odex said it will work closely with other copyright owners, which are expected to make similar applications to court soon.
The Odex case has seen much interest from the public, especially in online chatrooms and blogs. Many were unhappy last year when Odex forced StarHub and Singtel to reveal the names of those suspected of illegally downloading anime clips. - CNA/achttp://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/325677/1/.html
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Does it matter? PacNet still has to reveal the names. And worse, to people who are not locals!!!
What kind of details will be released? I'm not in favour of this ruling at all. Much as we have no privacy laws here, it doesn't mean they can be released this way. This is absurd.
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Download from DatteBayo website = $3k in your mailbox??
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hmmz, weird that the appeal end up with pacnet having to pass info to the distributors. I would have thought if they wanted the info they should have needed to make a separate request since this was an appeal against an earlier judgement and the distributors were not in the picture.........
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So which ISP would people switch to now?
Set up a company and host themselves?
Theres no way out right from the start seriously, there's no way that this issue could be solved harmoniously.
But its just ridiculous that after nearly half a year, this issue is still floating around.
I agree though, ISPs giving out our private information, no matter if you are a violater of anime rights or something else, it just isnt right in all sense.
But theres nothing that we can really do here in SG either.
This, Is, SG.
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If information is going to be released to the Japanese distributors, good luck to PacNet users. One wonders if fighting this case is really worth it. Singnet gave up without a fight, didn't lose much. Starhub fight and lose to ODEX, fair enough. PacNet fought and lose, with no telling of what will happen to the users.
Sigh.
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Economically driven society, my friend.
Who cares about the social implications? Its such issues that affect the minority of people too, and the general population have a non-chalent attitude; People dont want to touch it unless they are personally involved.
Its reality mixed together with a tinge of sadness.
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Reality? It's not even reality. Those businesses are controlling it like they are anime characters.
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Usually, people watch the first few episodes of an anime to determine if he/she likes it or not. Without the 'free' sampling from the net, I suspect the anime-following crowd in Singapore will diminish in size.
In the end, ODEX will just be shrinking their client base, alienating potential customers too.It's like a dying animal putting up one last struggle.
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rapidshare liao lo.. pay 15 dollars/ month to download
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Originally posted by manyu882:
rapidshare liao lo.. pay 15 dollars/ month to download
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15 bucks
So expensive. Might as well use Mediafire. Can use DL managers some more
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Out of curiosity, went to ODEX webbie. Still not up yet. Who paid for VOD?
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
Out of curiosity, went to ODEX webbie. Still not up yet. Who paid for VOD?
Because of this saga, nowadays I started to lose interest in anime though I still watch some interesting once (2 or 3 anime).Anyway, I say those who paid for the VOD can kiss it goodbye. Its been months since the website is down and best of all, no news about it at all.
In the end, I say both sides (odex and the consumer) suffer from this saga.
We download illegally, they don't earn anything. We stop downloading, they also don't earn anything. Now, most of us go online watch, they also don't earn anything. Its a meaningless battle.
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Good luck to pac net users..be prepared to get sick Japanese scat porn in the mail from petty old japanese perverts
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so just when are those japanese going to crack down on those fansubbing groups?
are they even going to deal with those raw anime suppliers in their own backyard?
if they are so bent on stopping piracy, stop cutting the grass. just pull out the god damn roots.
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Originally posted by digicharat:
so just when are those japanese going to crack down on those fansubbing groups?
are they even going to deal with those raw anime suppliers in their own backyard?
if they are so bent on stopping piracy, stop cutting the grass. just pull out the god damn roots.
lets not give them ideas.
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from mypaper:
Illegal anime downloaders are not off the hook
ANIME distributor Odex will not be
getting its hands on the names of
customers who had allegedly
downloaded animated Japanese
cartoons.
Its suit was dismissed by the High
Court yesterday, The Straits Times
reported.
Odex had attempted to obtain the
names of the PacNet (previously called
Pacific Internet) customers who had
allegedly downloaded the anime.
Instead, the High Court ordered the
Internet service provider to reveal their
identities to six Japanese anime studios.
In a verbal judgment in the High
Court, Justice Woo Bih Li said that since
Odex could not sue downloaders under
Singapore’s Copyright Act, there was no
reason it should be allowed to obtain the
names of the alleged downloaders.
This is the same reason District Judge
Ernest Lau had given for turning down
Odex’s request for the names last
September.
Odex had appealed the decision, and
had subsequently made submissions to
add six Japanese anime studios to its
case.
Justice Woo granted this request.
Since these studios owned the
copyright to the animes and could sue,
they will have access to the downloaders’
names, he said.
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Just download the anime be4 it is license. the odex usually license the anime after a year time. No matter wat the odex can't can the license the same pace as the japan tv is showing but u dl close to the pace wat the jap tv showing. just dl it be4 is license and dl those non-license. odex got no right no sue u as it is not license in sg.
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The Jap also cannot sue cos not in Jpn, right? I think that Odex is just trying to benefit from this saga since he know that his time is up... After he initiated the saga, the only ending would be close down due to no business. I never did buy Odex's product. I got most of my anime dvd from online stores and ebay.
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Originally posted by nightkids104:
Just download the anime be4 it is license. the odex usually license the anime after a year time. No matter wat the odex can't can the license the same pace as the japan tv is showing but u dl close to the pace wat the jap tv showing. just dl it be4 is license and dl those non-license. odex got no right no sue u as it is not license in sg.
ODEX can't sue, the international businesses can. One complain from them, straight away you are being monitored. If the amount you download is huge enough, your house will be raided the next day.
Worse if you are downloading, uploading and selling them off for a profits.
That's how music and movie downloaders are caught. Just because it's not licensed here, it doesn't mean you won't be caught. Also, just because we are slower to give out licenses, it doesn't mean that you won't be caught either.
So long as it's proven that you are infringing copyright laws, they will still catch and see you in courts.
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those non license one also quite dangerous.
Just tell everyone odex should just disappear. His face really suit the wanted picture. And looking at him, feels like punching
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I hope PACNET will carry-on the fight. There is something not right with this judgement and hope they can pick it up. Maybe their US counterparts can prove a stronger case of privacy protection.
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now that the names and details are in the japanese hands, i dont think they will be taking such extreme action like odex.
cos no one can be their scapegoat if they decided to take action.
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rofl if they going to sue us... they have to consider sueing the whole world...