Assault on Cultured Milk Home Delivery Ladies
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The man has to do a lotta washing and cleaning every time of the day after this incident. Well.....since it's common corridor, it will most likely be dirtied more often as many "curious" ppl may wanna walk across and peer to see who this moron is....and mess up the corridor....Originally posted by dbowie:i tink after ur post, a lot of forumites will go Blk 535 Bedok North Street 3, level 10 and commit arson or smthing.....
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Hey Hey.. wow this is brillant. Striking the attacker at what hurts him the most, repeatedly walking over his bleedly pathetic common corridor in front of his unit.Originally posted by FireAndHell:The man has to do a lotta washing and cleaning every time of the day after this incident. Well.....since it's common corridor, it will most likely be dirtied more often as many "curious" ppl may wanna walk across and peer to see who this moron is....and mess up the corridor....
Well, i guess if he charges out and attempt to beat the person, i guess he will really to have to beat up all the neighbours who walk past his unit. This old man is really pathetic twit. -
Hi ShrodingersCat,Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:wait until someone gets seriously hurt or die then actually show action?
*snort*
Thank you for your wisdom and insightful statement. I think let it be said that if my mum does get assualted again, i will inform you folks here in this forum.
The important motivation is writing this topic is that i want to highlight this rash, uncivilized and atrocious assault on ladies esp my mum. Let it be said that, we did not succumb to the bully, we made the police report and yesh.. we are raising the public awareness to stand up to such bullies. -
Hmm, actually, i was thinking along the lines of outrage of a woman's modesty through the usage of the female organs in the vulgarities. Yup, if we do decide to pursue the matter, we will be charging that old twit forOriginally posted by ShrodingersCat:The police did not give you further advice?
This type of people I suspect usually will only bully the weak, and fear the strong.
how about sexual harassment?
How about writing to the papers about this incident
let the reporters stress him!
1) Outrage of woman's modesty
2) Intimidation and threat to assault
3) Mental duress and psychological trauma.
So im keeping my fingers crossed. If the old twit repeats this again, he is in DEEP legal shit. -
You may want to go to the courts to file a Magistrate's Complaint which doesn't require the services of any lawyer. You can d-i-y.
For more details on Magistrates Complaint, do a search of the internet and read it up............
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In engaging civil suit, first, you need to consult a lawyer, even if the lawyer decided that it is not advisable to take up the case, you still have to foot the bill of basic min $300 for his service.
My legal advice is, unless you have strong witnesses to stand on the bar, you stand a good chance of wining this case base on causing emotional hurt due to other insultation and provacation. Once the court had awarded the right to the prosecutor, yr lawyer will then file for compensation of legal fees to be borne by the defend. For your case, provided you have witnesses, and the award is against the defender, you will not foot a single cents, what you lost is only the times in attending court. And in most cases, the judge will only ask the defender to apologise to your mom.
Dun tell me his own son wish to be witness ya. The other option is to approach the police and get the report of the stern warning served to him, in acknowledging the police stern warning, preferably with signatory of this old man, you also stand a very good chance of wining him, as in the enforcement laws, he already admit his wrong doing and heel to the police advices and warning. But this is not substantial enough and the best is still to have witnesses.
Nevertheless, such incident are common as a part of our kiasee, kiasu and kialiao society, without being bodily hurt, it form part and parcel of our daily life. And in my practice, most of the time, the court will throw out such cases and order the police to give warning which the police have already covered themselve.
Angel
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Can sue him under the woman chapter...
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Thank you for your advice. Much appreciate it. ;-)Originally posted by angel7030:In engaging civil suit, first, you need to consult a lawyer, even if the lawyer decided that it is not advisable to take up the case, you still have to foot the bill of basic min $300 for his service.
My legal advice is, unless you have strong witnesses to stand on the bar, you stand a good chance of wining this case base on causing emotional hurt due to other insultation and provacation. Once the court had awarded the right to the prosecutor, yr lawyer will then file for compensation of legal fees to be borne by the defend. For your case, provided you have witnesses, and the award is against the defender, you will not foot a single cents, what you lost is only the times in attending court. And in most cases, the judge will only ask the defender to apologise to your mom.
Dun tell me his own son wish to be witness ya. The other option is to approach the police and get the report of the stern warning served to him, in acknowledging the police stern warning, preferably with signatory of this old man, you also stand a very good chance of wining him, as in the enforcement laws, he already admit his wrong doing and heel to the police advices and warning. But this is not substantial enough and the best is still to have witnesses.
Nevertheless, such incident are common as a part of our kiasee, kiasu and kialiao society, without being bodily hurt, it form part and parcel of our daily life. And in my practice, most of the time, the court will throw out such cases and order the police to give warning which the police have already covered themselve.
Angel
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But why wait for a second incident? Are you hoping that it happens again, and then you would take action? I certainly hope not. Why would anybody hope that their love ones have to go through mental, if not physical anguish, at the hands of ruffians as such, just to prove a point. As you have already stated, if the 'abuser/attacker' was not held back by his companions, he would have striked your mother. What are you waiting for? To make enquiries now on what would be your next step is better than hoping the man strikes your mother in the future. If a civil suit is what you are looking at, then do some homework now. Your mother is not a punching bag! We live in a civilised society, or I hope so in-essence. We should not have to tolerate such behaviour and neither do we ought to give these lowlifes a second chance.Originally posted by New Creation:hmm thanks for ur concern. Sign, the thing now is my mum really fears for her own safety since she needs to come to this block on every XXXday meaning that she will still get to bump into this attacker.
She really fears that she might be beaten up the next time. Hmm, and yeah the issue is, we cant apply for personal protection orders because this cannot be applied to strangers. So yeah. Hands are really tied.
The plan now is.. if there is a second recurring incident, we will launch civil suit and sue the old twit. -
Post the unit number if what u said is true. let my men fix him for u over the weekends.
on monday, if u want, go to his unit and have a look but dont alert themOriginally posted by New Creation:I am sure you have heard of the latest campaign on prevention of violence to SBS bus drivers since there was a spike in cases of drivers being assaulted by bus passengers. I believe there is also a need now to launch a campaign to prevent cultured milk delivery ladies from violence. My mum works as a cultured milk home delivery lady and she delivers the cultured milk to the residents in the Bedok North St 3 neighborhood. She has a mega-fitted bicycle with has 2 boxes to hold and transport the cultured milks to residentsÂ’ home.
On 11th October 2007 (Thursday) at 945pm at Blk 535 Bedok North Street 3, level 10, she was nearly beaten up. The contentious point is that the attacker (a Chinese man in his 50s) had previously mopped and cleaned the common corridor in front of his house. But because both of his neighbors had ordered the cultured milk from my mum; thus she is forced to push the bicycle across the attacker’s front corridor. The attacker was very pissed that my mum’s bicycle stained his cleaned corridor floor and thus hurled vulgarities at my mum, calling her in essence in Hokkien, meaning, “you wretched old loose, torn c*u*n*t”.
And then the attacker stopped her in her path and demanded that my mum wipe up his stained corridor. She refused because the corridor is common property and beside it was a legitimate reason as she was delivering the cultured milk to customers. It is not as if this was done by some prankster kids. Nonetheless, when my mum refused, this attacker charged up to my mum, and nearly punched my mother. Luckily the attacker was stopped by his son and friend. I was deeply convinced that had the attacker not been stopped, my mum would suffer sever facial and even dental injuries.
A police report was made and yeah we are considering taking civil suit action on this attacker. Hmm in this case, because my mum has not been beaten yet, hence the police could not arrest the attacker but merely went up to the unit to issue stern warning to the attacker. Just to consult you guys (especially lawyers or current legal students), though I really want to pursue justice, I am a bit concerned about the legal and lawyer fees. In such a case, what are the odds of us winning the case and ensuring that the attacker is made to pay all the legal fees?
Thank you really appreciate your advice and yeah condemnation for that attacker is welcomed too. -
STOMP him.
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Why is it that Bedok has so many of these twits..
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why must STOMP. sgf no power meh. must SGFORUM it.
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Melt and pour candle wax all over his corridor.Originally posted by New Creation:Hey Hey.. wow this is brillant. Striking the attacker at what hurts him the most, repeatedly walking over his bleedly pathetic common corridor in front of his unit.
Well, i guess if he charges out and attempt to beat the person, i guess he will really to have to beat up all the neighbours who walk past his unit. This old man is really pathetic twit.
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Yup, thanks. Im currently reading up on the proceedures of filing a magistrate order and also enquiring on the legal fees to file such a legal suit. Hmm, yeah you are right why am i waiting for a 2nd incident to recur.Originally posted by Croaking_Toad:But why wait for a second incident? Are you hoping that it happens again, and then you would take action? I certainly hope not. Why would anybody hope that their love ones have to go through mental, if not physical anguish, at the hands of ruffians as such, just to prove a point. As you have already stated, if the 'abuser/attacker' was not held back by his companions, he would have striked your mother. What are you waiting for? To make enquiries now on what would be your next step is better than hoping the man strikes your mother in the future. If a civil suit is what you are looking at, then do some homework now. Your mother is not a punching bag! We live in a civilised society, or I hope so in-essence. We should not have to tolerate such behaviour and neither do we ought to give these lowlifes a second chance. -
hey, really appreciate your offer. However, i cannot do this. Otherwise, it makes me a worser person than this attacker. I believe let the rule of law deal with him bah. ;-)Originally posted by codename4:Post the unit number if what u said is true. let my men fix him for u over the weekends.
on monday, if u want, go to his unit and have a look but dont alert them
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you filed police report already right? check with the inverstigator in-charge for the case classification, and then ask him for what you can do should you want further action to be taken. depending on case classification, either police will initiate investigation, or they will need your help to file a magistrate's complaint.Originally posted by New Creation:I am sure you have heard of the latest campaign on prevention of violence to SBS bus drivers since there was a spike in cases of drivers being assaulted by bus passengers. I believe there is also a need now to launch a campaign to prevent cultured milk delivery ladies from violence. My mum works as a cultured milk home delivery lady and she delivers the cultured milk to the residents in the Bedok North St 3 neighborhood. She has a mega-fitted bicycle with has 2 boxes to hold and transport the cultured milks to residentsÂ’ home.
On 11th October 2007 (Thursday) at 945pm at Blk 535 Bedok North Street 3, level 10, she was nearly beaten up. The contentious point is that the attacker (a Chinese man in his 50s) had previously mopped and cleaned the common corridor in front of his house. But because both of his neighbors had ordered the cultured milk from my mum; thus she is forced to push the bicycle across the attacker’s front corridor. The attacker was very pissed that my mum’s bicycle stained his cleaned corridor floor and thus hurled vulgarities at my mum, calling her in essence in Hokkien, meaning, “you wretched old loose, torn c*u*n*t”.
And then the attacker stopped her in her path and demanded that my mum wipe up his stained corridor. She refused because the corridor is common property and beside it was a legitimate reason as she was delivering the cultured milk to customers. It is not as if this was done by some prankster kids. Nonetheless, when my mum refused, this attacker charged up to my mum, and nearly punched my mother. Luckily the attacker was stopped by his son and friend. I was deeply convinced that had the attacker not been stopped, my mum would suffer sever facial and even dental injuries.
A police report was made and yeah we are considering taking civil suit action on this attacker. Hmm in this case, because my mum has not been beaten yet, hence the police could not arrest the attacker but merely went up to the unit to issue stern warning to the attacker. Just to consult you guys (especially lawyers or current legal students), though I really want to pursue justice, I am a bit concerned about the legal and lawyer fees. In such a case, what are the odds of us winning the case and ensuring that the attacker is made to pay all the legal fees?
Thank you really appreciate your advice and yeah condemnation for that attacker is welcomed too.
filing magistrate's complaint should be foc. you need not pay to engage your own counsel yet. your case will be heard before a magistrate, who will then decide whether or not the police should initiate proceedings. if not, he will either summon the guy who ebat your mum to court for a mediation session, or he will suggest you take legal action yourself. but all this will be decided by the magistrate, and after you have filed the magistrate's complaint.
check with the investigator first, and see what he advises you to do. hope your mom gets better soon. =) -
ask ur mum to change her delivery location if possible??
im sure u dun want a 2nd occurance.
i think tat waiting-to-go-to-hell old man needs to be taught a lesson.
or maybe u might want to acc ur mum for afew times.
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I think u are over-reacting...this is just an argument, very normal daily event....the person didnt even attack ur mom. You went to police for this small matter, and now even want to sue him..? Just forget abt it....If u want to ensure ur mom's safety u can accompany her a few times and talk to the man and make him more understanding that ur mom has to pass, talk nicely. Thats all...no need to involve the police, much less wanting to sue.
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ur mum sell vitagen is it huh
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Yup, this is reallly excellent advice. I am accompanying my mum on this monday to file for the magistrate's complaint le.Originally posted by Tiggerific:you filed police report already right? check with the inverstigator in-charge for the case classification, and then ask him for what you can do should you want further action to be taken. depending on case classification, either police will initiate investigation, or they will need your help to file a magistrate's complaint.
filing magistrate's complaint should be foc. you need not pay to engage your own counsel yet. your case will be heard before a magistrate, who will then decide whether or not the police should initiate proceedings. if not, he will either summon the guy who ebat your mum to court for a mediation session, or he will suggest you take legal action yourself. but all this will be decided by the magistrate, and after you have filed the magistrate's complaint.
check with the investigator first, and see what he advises you to do. hope your mom gets better soon. =) -
Hmm, the issue here is, the attacker charged to my mum with fist raised and burning anger eyes. He would have hit my mum, if not for the quick reflexes of the attacker's son and friend in stopping him. So you see, the attacker had the innate desire to beat up my mum. So i really cant put it as a small matter. No peace...Originally posted by Meat Pao:I think u are over-reacting...this is just an argument, very normal daily event....the person didnt even attack ur mom. You went to police for this small matter, and now even want to sue him..? Just forget abt it....If u want to ensure ur mom's safety u can accompany her a few times and talk to the man and make him more understanding that ur mom has to pass, talk nicely. Thats all...no need to involve the police, much less wanting to sue.
Meat Pao.
Because my mum would have to frequent this blk because she has a lot of other customers in this block; the worst thing is, no matter what , she still has to walk past this attacker's unit to deliver the cultured milk to the attacker's neighbours. There is no knowing when the attacker could suddenly sprung out, launch a covert surprise assault on my mum.
We are talking about an aggressive attacker in his 50s+, burly, uncivilized, possibly with little education, rash, vulgar, and with a vengance; who will not easily let matters to rest. In fact, i believe this dude's temper is not appeased yet (it is hard for such a person with such a profile).
I hope that the residents living in Blk 535 could lend an assistance and an watchful eye to my mum, in the event if you witness her being assaulted by this attacker living in level 10. -
Hmm, yeah, currently, im working out a safe plan and reviewing her delivery schedule. Hmm i totally agree with "si lao eh, ai si buey si"Originally posted by Cool-gal:ask ur mum to change her delivery location if possible??
im sure u dun want a 2nd occurance.
i think tat waiting-to-go-to-hell old man needs to be taught a lesson.
or maybe u might want to acc ur mum for afew times.
si lao eh, ai si buey si..
The thing is. i hope the attacker's son could talk some sense into his dad......
Seriously my mum is traumatized.. and a little shaken now. She's been quiet, and often i see her eyes are a bit red and tearful. I really hurt my heart. hai.. -
Is there anyway that your mother can leave the bike at one place on that level or lock it in the bicycle lots and deliver the milk ?
The way I see it - she has a right to push through her bike in a common area but that guy is obviously highly strung over his "territory" and the police giving him a warning might have made matters worse. If he loses it , he will attempt to attack her.
I am not asking you to give in to him but in matters like that , especially when he is so unstable to actually threaten your mom over her bike .....better safe than sorry. -
Hmm, well i will consider your suggestions on parking the bike at a place before moving up. But the consideration then is. she will have to carry by hand the cultured milk products which is quite heavy.Originally posted by fymk:Is there anyway that your mother can leave the bike at one place on that level or lock it in the bicycle lots and deliver the milk ?
The way I see it - she has a right to push through her bike in a common area but that guy is obviously highly strung over his "territory" and the police giving him a warning might have made matters worse. If he loses it , he will attempt to attack her.
I am not asking you to give in to him but in matters like that , especially when he is so unstable to actually threaten your mom over her bike .....better safe than sorry.
And i think the issue has come to a point where the old twit is no longer sore at my mum's bicycle, but he has gone to person-specific, i.e. targetting my mum. So it makes no difference now, as long as he nw sees my mum, with or without the bicycle, he will lose it and attempt to attack her.
The problem is.. i checked with the investigation officer and he said.. cant file personal protection order against strangers. so yeah our hands are abit tight..