slithering like snake, shouting like Satan, marching like...
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But lawyer Tito Issac, acting on behalf of Novena Church and Father Simon Tan, one of the two priests, called Mdm Valli's allegations "unbelievable". He said Mdm Valli had been "slithering like a snake, shouting and screaming like Satan and marching like a soldier"
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Mad?
Possessed?
Do you believe in demon possession?
Do you think it is a psychiatric condition?
and more importantly, why?
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i believe..
i kena few time liao...
i keep crying, keep scolding vulga.. and my bro told me tht i very strong..
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Yup, I believe it's possible.........
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ai yah never say why, what if it is only your belief and nothing to do with reality....
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psychiatric condition
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the lady is siao one in the first place.. he drank Adrian Lim's blood. i tink she got contact w occult thats y liddis..
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rubbisk
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someone should have brought the bong out and all this would not have happened.I cant believe people are still into exorcism,its either take your medication or end up in the cuckoo's nest.
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well, there are some things in this world that cant be explained by science nor will medication will fix itOriginally posted by Short Ninja:someone should have brought the bong out and all this would not have happened.I cant believe people are still into exorcism,its either take your medication or end up in the cuckoo's nest. -
Most times Science can explain but decline to explain unless Science also come up with the proof and evidence for its opinions. That is why Science is trustworthy.
Others can explain and will tell you with certainty what the cause is but when you ask them for evidence and proof, they fail miserably.
That is why only science is reliable, trustworthy and acceptable.
True, medications might not work, otherwise there will be no dead people in this world..
On the other hand people make medicine (western anyway) on reliable, sound scientific principles and doctors treat patients on sound, reliable scientific principles and sure, it does not work some times and in fact many times, but then do you say that because it does not work sometimes, you believe in black magic that is unreliable, unsound, and might even be harmful?
apparently some people would....
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laughter is the best medicine next to hashish>
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yeah i believe. haha, this is like emily rose sg version!
my stand is this (because i believe in possession)
if her body was possessed by a demon, who definitely wouldn't want to be exorcised.
how can the exorcist wait for the possessed's permission to be exorcised.
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hmmm ask for permissions?
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but then, if you are going to depend on beliefs, you can believe anything you want one what... where got better or worse way to do it? How to judge, if you are not going to depend on proof and evidence and research findings?
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yeah.. she's suing them because they did the exorcism without her permission, against her will?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:hmmm ask for permissions? -
could be she siao, that is why she drank Adrian Lim's blood and contacted the occult and it is because she siao then like that and not because she contacted the occult which is nothing more than just belief...Originally posted by motoway:the lady is siao one in the first place.. he drank Adrian Lim's blood. i tink she got contact w occult thats y liddis.. -
the adrian lim is this one
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yup yupOriginally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG:the adrian lim is this one -
she drank adrian lim's blood?
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according to reports, yahOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:she drank adrian lim's blood? -
how the hell she obtained his blood. wasn't he hanged?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:yeah.. she's suing them because they did the exorcism without her permission, against her will?
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erm..before he was hanged. When he was still practicing as a medium in the 80s.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:how the hell she obtained his blood. wasn't he hanged? -
my point exactly.Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
if really the case, you expect the demon to agree to the exorcism?
its impossible to ask permission for exorcism. maybe u can at best get permission from the possessed's family members.
how can the lady sue the church?
(If she was still possessed) - the demon is attacking the church
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If someone is successful in believing in being possessed. Then by all accounts that person is possessed.
Then medication would only drug that person and induce a state of inertness.
Exorcism attempt to undo the belief in possession. If successful, that person would be led from the first belief into the second belief, that of being unpossessed.
Unsuccessful exorcism simply means the first belief is still being held on to.
Therefore in exorcism, all the senses are utilised to reach the conscious as well as the subconscious mind.
Hearing, smell, sight, taste, touch.
There will be recitations, musical instruments, incence, artifacts, food, and rituals.
All these paraphernalia used must be associated with the exorcisee's belief.
The nub is to plant a new belief in the subconscious.