u all know woodlands mrt someone jump?
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they really will just happily send illegal immagrants back to their 'homes' ar...?????????
no punishments no nothing??? -
on conviction -
Illegal Entry:
Imprisonment - up to 6 months
AND
Caning - minimum 3 stroke (or fine $6,000 in lieu of caning)
Overstaying:
less than 90 days:
Imprisonment - up to 6 months
OR
Fine up to $4,000
OR
both
more than 90 days:
Imprisonment - up to 6 months
AND
Caning - minimum 3 stroke (or fine $6,000 in lieu of caning)Originally posted by udontknowme:they really will just happily send illegal immagrants back to their 'homes' ar...?????????
no punishments no nothing??? -
It all voice down to the agent fees, most indian or foreign workers have to pay agents between 5-10 thousands sing dollars just to get here, many of them sold land or house and promised their families that they will bring back richness, however most of them couldn'tl made it back with richness unless they are lucky enough to get a good boss.Originally posted by udontknowme:they really will just happily send illegal immagrants back to their 'homes' ar...?????????
no punishments no nothing???
For the first two years, their salaries is just enough to cover the agent cost to get here, they then have to get permit to work for another 2 years so as to make some money back. But those greedy agents, both overseas and local wanted to earn more money by not extending their permit, and instead bring in new bloods so as to earn the fees again. In the end, most have no face to go back to see their family because for them, it is a lost in money, lost in work and lost of promises. Therefore they wander off and remain illegal here selling illegal cigarette, doing odd jobs, anything...just to make money.
There is another group of foreign workers who are directly engaged by companies, these are mostly chinese, mynmar and thais, they are much more taken care of with housing and proper working condition.
However, having said all, some indians or bangalas who make money here by being the leader or so call boss left hand men, get lots of money both as leaders, drivers and also supply of labourers from india. Some of them, being naive to city life here, spent all their money on gals, drinks, leisure etc etc and in the end, also have no money saved. -
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Saddening, it's not worth it la. Come all the way here in search of a better life for both himself and his family... End up going home in a box.
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well, this is taken from shin min article of 12 nov and also from the Singapore Buses forum.
Guess it is not worth it if someone wants to play a fool with his or her life just because of a mistake they have made, they should learn from it and dont repeat it over again when he/she being punished by the laws.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Hey guys, I've read this piece of news from the Shin Min artricle on 12 Nov 2007.
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The person who reported the news
got $50 worth of NTUC voucher?
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sigh. its just too bad la.
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woah, his leg very long sia. one shot jump over the wall.
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First of all, as an illegal worker with no ID, he should have been more cautious with his actions and try not to break any petty laws so as not to attract attention from any authorities, be it NEA or Police or even the street sweeper. Throwing cigarette butt around ... he was careless. Very careless.
Also, I believe when he made the decision to jump over the wall, he didn't know that behind the wall is a 15m drop to the tarmac. It was an intense moment for him, perhaps running at the fastest he had ever run before in his life. I can't imagine what was going through his mind the moment he realised what he had done, having gone over the point of no-return after jumping the wall. It must have been like a slow motion for him, as images of his loved ones flashed through his mind before he landed. Very traggic. Again, I can't imagine and don't ever wish to know the amount of regret and pain he must have felt after he jumped the wall.
While we like to poke funs at illegal immigrants (FT as you all like to call it), please remember that our forefathers were immigrants to Singapore not too long ago. Your grandparents, even some of your parents. Singapore is an immigrant country. You are lucky that your family arrived here 1 or 2 generations earlier than these illegals today. Next time, whenever you plan to insult illegal immigrant, please remember that that's how the people treated your grandparents last time when they first arrived in Singapore. -
He thinks he's Jackie Chan. Watch The Myth too much liao.
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ooh at first i tot someone jump onto the tracks..
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our ancestors came legally...
anyway, there are a lot of illegals who were conned... but the majority knew what they were getting into...Originally posted by zhaozhilong:While we like to poke funs at illegal immigrants (FT as you all like to call it), please remember that our forefathers were immigrants to Singapore not too long ago. Your grandparents, even some of your parents. Singapore is an immigrant country. You are lucky that your family arrived here 1 or 2 generations earlier than these illegals today. Next time, whenever you plan to insult illegal immigrant, please remember that that's how the people treated your grandparents last time when they first arrived in Singapore. -
Our forefathers and ancestors arrived on the Island toiled and worked for a better life. Unless some were sold as slaves or shipped here against their will most arrived as legally as can be. Our forefathers includes Malays, Indians, Chinese (mostly southerners), caucasions and the like. They all worked hard to build the country feed the family. They all fought just as hard in World War II defending the Island and their love ones. They all stood up for Singapore's Independence. Their descendents served the country and we all pay the taxes and fees which we grumble well against a System that's never deem perfect. We have a system to welcome law abidding foreigners and to attract them into a safer new home. The IC or employment passes is an identity and our right to stand our feet on this land.
There is no free lunch out by cheating us our identity when anyone can just come ashore uninvited. Righteousness shall prevail and the illegal's death probably means one less crime case and one less mouth to feed in jail with our hard earned mney paid in the form of taxes.
oh Xrist and bulla guid his poor sould bak to ganni -
Originally posted by kcockicht:
There was no such thing as "legally or not" back then. There was no such thing as a passport back then. You must be delusional. Most of our ancestors came here with a bag carrying only clothes and very little money, without any documents. I don't know where did you get the idea of "legally". What you should say, is that back then Singapore was a free for all port. Anybody who managed to reach the shore can enter and find a job. What, you thought there were customs checkpoints? You probably thought the Woodlands checkpoint already existed at that time too
Our forefathers and ancestors arrived on the Island toiled and worked for a better life. Unless some were sold as slaves or shipped here against their will most arrived as legally as can be. Our forefathers includes Malays, Indians, Chinese (mostly southerners), caucasions and the like. They all worked hard to build the country feed the family. They all fought just as hard in World War II defending the Island and their love ones. They all stood up for Singapore's Independence. Their descendents served the country and we all pay the taxes and fees which we grumble well against a System that's never deem perfect. We have a system to welcome law abidding foreigners and to attract them into a safer new home. The IC or employment passes is an identity and our right to stand our feet on this land.
There is no free lunch out by cheating us our identity when anyone can just come ashore uninvited. Righteousness shall prevail and the illegal's death probably means one less crime case and one less mouth to feed in jail with our hard earned mney paid in the form of taxes.
oh Xrist and bulla guid his poor sould bak to ganni 
Regarding all the contributions that our forefather did, I know they're admirable. But tell me, did they make the contributions before they enter Singapore? Or did they make the contributions within 10 minutes of entering Singapore, so much so that it earned them their rights to stay in Singapore? The fact is, the contributions only materialized after many many years of staying in Singapore.
Of course in 2007 we can't anyhow allow people to come in and stay here. But don't use the 'contributions' argument because all contributions can only be seen after at least 10 years of working in Singapore.
By your logic, then the people who came to Singapore as early as year 1880 would have had the right to deny all those who wanted to come in after say year 1920. Why? Because according to your logic, they can say:"No you cannot come in. I have already made contributions for the last 40 years. What contributions have you made? So no you cannot come in. " I bet your forefathers didn't arrive here before 1920 did they.
It's okay to deny illegal immigrants today. But if you use insults on them, you are just indirectly insulting your forefathers. But you'd probably say:"oh but my forefathers toiled and worked for a living blablabla...". Yes but there must be a starting point for working hard. You have to start somewhere. -
This is Singapore. you are in the cyberworld so you can write wht you feel and no one can say you are wrong. You can stick with your believe but no matter how good your words you may think they were i am no convinced. We can stand there staring at one another and continue countering one another's words but the end shall be the same - its a waste of time.Originally posted by zhaozhilong:There was no such thing as "legally or not" back then. There was no such thing as a passport back then. You must be delusional. Most of our ancestors came here with a bag carrying only clothes and very little money, without any documents. I don't know where did you get the idea of "legally". What you should say, is that back then Singapore was a free for all port. Anybody who managed to reach the shore can enter and find a job. What, you thought there were customs checkpoints? You probably thought the Woodlands checkpoint already existed at that time too
Regarding all the contributions that our forefather did, I know they're admirable. But tell me, did they make the contributions before they enter Singapore? Or did they make the contributions within 10 minutes of entering Singapore, so much so that it earned them their rights to stay in Singapore? The fact is, the contributions only materialized after many many years of staying in Singapore.
Of course in 2007 we can't anyhow allow people to come in and stay here. But don't use the 'contributions' argument because all contributions can only be seen after at least 10 years of working in Singapore.
By your logic, then the people who came to Singapore as early as year 1880 would have had the right to deny all those who wanted to come in after say year 1920. Why? Because according to your logic, they can say:"No you cannot come in. I have already made contributions for the last 40 years. What contributions have you made? So no you cannot come in. " I bet your forefathers didn't arrive here before 1920 did they.
It's okay to deny illegal immigrants today. But if you use insults on them, you are just indirectly insulting your forefathers. But you'd probably say:"oh but my forefathers toiled and worked for a living blablabla...". Yes but there must be a starting point for working hard. You have to start somewhere.
Tell u what i am going to take a shower and have me dinner. Mayb this weekend i am free i drop in and post some more.
As for the dead man i can only hope wedjfgfkljhcfSHDFKjkdf guide his poor sould back to SDFHLKSJDFHKLSJDHBFKJASHJKDFH -
U calling me?Originally posted by kcockicht:As for the dead man i can only hope wedjfgfkljhcfSHDFKjkdf guide his poor sould back to SDFHLKSJDFHKLSJDHBFKJASHJKDFH
anyway, it was sad to read this story
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Answer to paragragoh 1: As long as no one catches you its legal.Originally posted by zhaozhilong:There was no such thing as "legally or not" back then. There was no such thing as a passport back then. You must be delusional. Most of our ancestors came here with a bag carrying only clothes and very little money, without any documents. I don't know where did you get the idea of "legally". What you should say, is that back then Singapore was a free for all port. Anybody who managed to reach the shore can enter and find a job. What, you thought there were customs checkpoints? You probably thought the Woodlands checkpoint already existed at that time too
Regarding all the contributions that our forefather did, I know they're admirable. But tell me, did they make the contributions before they enter Singapore? Or did they make the contributions within 10 minutes of entering Singapore, so much so that it earned them their rights to stay in Singapore? The fact is, the contributions only materialized after many many years of staying in Singapore.
Of course in 2007 we can't anyhow allow people to come in and stay here. But don't use the 'contributions' argument because all contributions can only be seen after at least 10 years of working in Singapore.
By your logic, then the people who came to Singapore as early as year 1880 would have had the right to deny all those who wanted to come in after say year 1920. Why? Because according to your logic, they can say:"No you cannot come in. I have already made contributions for the last 40 years. What contributions have you made? So no you cannot come in. " I bet your forefathers didn't arrive here before 1920 did they.
It's okay to deny illegal immigrants today. But if you use insults on them, you are just indirectly insulting your forefathers. But you'd probably say:"oh but my forefathers toiled and worked for a living blablabla...". Yes but there must be a starting point for working hard. You have to start somewhere.
Answer to paragraph 2: they made the contributions so that we can become Singapore
Answer to paragraph 3: The blood we shed we forfathers don't get paid. u work here don't tell me even bangla don't get paid?
Anser to paragraph 4: don't talk about donkeys years ago lah...why not talk about india and china 5000 years ago? how about we look at ants and dinosaurs?
Answer to para 5 : i wasn't insulting my forefathers...i was insulting my forefathers's and the illegal's forefathers back in india and china thousands of years ago.
so to all illegal immigrants..u won't have to runa dn hide if u have ID. sg very small where u can hide for how long?
as for the one who died i am glad he did. a n=better way off