Nine dead in US mall shooting
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who knows...Originally posted by maggot:That guy only got 8 rounds
Will there be a guy with at least 3000 rounds? Or with 40mm grenades?
We shall wait perhaps
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He made his own selfish choice to take other people's lives to be "famous".Originally posted by jojobeach:They boy who did this has a very sad background.
He dropped out of school.
Got kicked out of his home.
No where to go.
Was taken in by a good samaritan.
Worked in a fast food restaurant.
Something happened at work and I think he lost his job.
Gave up on life, and took more along.
In his letter to the one who took him in.
He apologies, that he didn't want it to end this way.
He felt he was a loser with nothing to look forward to, now he'll be famous.
The lady was interviewed and with tears in her eyes she said " I thought things are finally looking up for him, then this happens."
So people.
Please give others a chance. Don't be mean.
When a person is facing desperate times, extend your helping hand, NOT drop more stone to bury him.
If he had any gumption, he would have taken his own life or seek help instead of killing the people who had nothing to do with him.
So I give no consideration to his sob story. He is a heartless and selfish moron who went into a mall with the intention to take lives. End of story . -
Nobody say that his taking of other people's lives in the mall is a correct thing to do.Originally posted by fymk:He made his own selfish choice to take other people's lives to be "famous".
If he had any gumption, he would have taken his own life or seek help instead of killing the people who had nothing to do with him.
So I give no consideration to his sob story. He is a heartless and selfish moron who went into a mall with the intention to take lives. End of story .
But we're asking why would a person do such thing? How did society contribute to such incident? How did the government policy of allowing gun ownership allow such incident to occur?
We should not be pointing our fingers only at the shooter. We, as part of the society, has to pay responsibility too.
Look deeper. Many things go beyond the surface. -
Bottom line, if the USA government will not decide to ban free guns, it is very unlikely to happen because of their culture and history. For us in singapore, it is easy to say ban guns and everything solved, but we are outsiders looking in and their situation is something we cannot comprehend properly.
Although u have to question which country in the world depends on it citizens to defend themselves with guns when the police cannot?
Perhaps a tighter legal system is the way to go, if their law is more like singapore law, the crime rates will be more like singapore also.
They have good police but their law does not deter people from crimes enough, they have too kind probation systems.
Also they have to work more on youth who have sidtracked and give them avenues to get on with life, not easy to do but with so many troubled youth who do mass shooting, they should come up with ways to help them before disasters happen. In the end, all of them have common traits, lack of direction in life and lack of friends and love. So they need to look into what is the cause and how to fix it. A supportive family and good upbringing can also make the difference.
In the end, the gun accident is indicative of a social problem in USA, troubled youth, they can look into that before they consider guns control laws. -
he is a looser.......
loosers give up in life...... -
I don't think a tighter legal system is the way to go or else they WILL end up like Singapore where your whole life is on file somewhere and you're constantly under the scrutiny of big brotherOriginally posted by limpshaggy:Bottom line, if the USA government will not decide to ban free guns, it is very unlikely to happen because of their culture and history. For us in singapore, it is easy to say ban guns and everything solved, but we are outsiders looking in and their situation is something we cannot comprehend properly.
Although u have to question which country in the world depends on it citizens to defend themselves with guns when the police cannot?
Perhaps a tighter legal system is the way to go, if their law is more like singapore law, the crime rates will be more like singapore also. They have good police but their law does not deter people from crimes enough, they have too kind probation systems.
Also they have to work more on youth who have sidtracked and give them avenues to get on with life, not easy to do but with so many troubled youth who do mass shooting, they should come up with ways to help them before disasters happen. In the end, all of them have common traits, lack of direction in life and lack of friends and love. So they need to look into what is the cause and how to fix it. A supportive family and good upbringing can also make the difference.
In the end, the gun accident is indicative of a social problem in USA, troubled youth, they can look into that before they consider guns control laws. -
Its much easier to enforce a no-guns law in Singapore than in the US simply because of the difference in size.
I am not saying they should ban guns outright but tighter gun laws should be in placed. -
No point calling people a looser. It doesn't solve the problem.Originally posted by Deino:he is a looser.......
loosers give up in life......
Find out what the problem is, then solve it. -
I'm just saying the facts...not "calling" them.Originally posted by annoy-you-must:No point calling people a looser. It doesn't solve the problem.
Find out what the problem is, then solve it.
There is no solution to the problem coz the problem is his.......only he could've solved his problems -
If every criminal blames society for their so called predicament , then why do we even need jails?Originally posted by annoy-you-must:Nobody say that his taking of other people's lives in the mall is a correct thing to do.
But we're asking why would a person do such thing? How did society contribute to such incident? How did the government policy of allowing gun ownership allow such incident to occur?
We should not be pointing our fingers only at the shooter. We, as part of the society, has to pay responsibility too.
Look deeper. Many things go beyond the surface.
Guns are weapons like knives . Even if he didn't have a gun , he would have used a knife .
The policies may be lax in USA but who is anyone to say anything unless they are americans.
Society creates social problems but actions when premeditated are the individual's choice . -
I seriously just lost all my respect for you after making that statement.Originally posted by googoomuck:Here are more reasons why many Americans are against gun control.
Politically, there has been talks on tighter gun control by the Democrats and the Republicans. America is now in the midst of a presidential race. Neither party wants to endorse tighter gun control as both are aware that it can cost them votes.
Historically, the AmericansÂ’ forefathers fought and died for freedom. Now that they are enjoying freedom, they are not going to give up the right to bear arms; thereÂ’s a tendency that tyranny can creep up on them. Tyranny is natural and is all around the globe. It has happened in SINGAPORE and itÂ’s happening in Russia.
Statistically, the homicide rate has fallen over the last 12 years. Easy access to guns result in deaths more common in drug deals and gang fights. The world is a better place because these people are gone. In the decade since England banned all private possession of handguns, the BBC reported that the number of gun crimes has actually gone up sharply because criminals, who donÂ’t obey the law, have the upper hand. In America, guns play an important role in self-defense. More than 100,000 cases of self-defense occur every year.
In lax gun control America, non–gun homicide rates are 3 times higher than England’s non-gun homicide rates. This statistics indicate that murder rates don’t fall because they can’t use guns. -
Yes but knives have a purpose other than killing people. Guns have only one purpose.Originally posted by fymk:Guns are weapons like knives . Even if he didn't have a gun , he would have used a knife .
I think I speak for everyone when I say that I'd much rather be up against criminals with knives than criminals with guns. -
I think the most powerful weapon in this world would be words........
People could end up killing each other just by words alone -
Not to say that the criminal themselves are blameless of course. But just look at this incident. When the guy mentioned on the net that he wants to kill, how did the others reply him?Originally posted by fymk:If every criminal blames society for their so called predicament , then why do we even need jails?
Guns are weapons like knives . Even if he didn't have a gun , he would have used a knife .
The policies may be lax in USA but who is anyone to say anything unless they are americans.
Society creates social problems but actions when premeditated are the individual's choice . -
It's not their fault they encouraged him. People say stuff like that on the internet all the time, who would've known he was being serious?Originally posted by annoy-you-must:Not to say that the criminal themselves are blameless of course. But just look at this incident. When the guy mentioned on the net that he wants to kill, how did the others reply him? -
More updates
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_re_us/mall_shooting -
Nowadays alot of shooting been going on and seriously countries should stop selling weapon illegally even if theres permit but still don sell it unless they work as undercover or gov. or police force
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hm if sg had guns
this could have probably happened too........
depression
loneliness
feeling outcasted can drive people to do irrational things
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IÂ’m not for gun control because if you are a liberal, do you want your liberty to be eroded because a few innocents are wasted? ShouldnÂ’t we also consider that millions of people would lose their rights to defend themselves and to check against tyranny?Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:I seriously just lost all my respect for you after making that statement.
Criminals would not walk into a gun store to buy a gun. They can be traced. The guns used for crimes are probably stolen or obtained from the black market.
If an army is armed to protect a country, why canÂ’t a person arm himself to protect his family and home?
Drug dealers even sell drugs to children. They are a menace to society. If I could change their ways, I would. But thatÂ’s reality. ItÂ’s about free will. They want to kill each other; so let them lose their souls. -
this is some kinda of mentally abnormal behaviour. That dude must b suffering from extreme pressure and wanan vent it somewhere
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Well I'm sorry I didn't know you were so self righteous because it seems like you're a very good judge of who deserves to live and who don't. Rights to defend oneself? How do you defend yourself when the person attacking you has a friggin gun?Originally posted by googoomuck:IÂ’m not for gun control because if you are a liberal, do you want your liberty to be eroded because a few innocents are wasted? ShouldnÂ’t we also consider that millions of people would lose their rights to defend themselves and to check against tyranny?
Criminals would not walk into a gun store to buy a gun. They can be traced. The guns used for crimes are probably stolen or obtained from the black market.
If an army is armed to protect a country, why canÂ’t a person arm himself to protect his family and home?
Drug dealers even sell drugs to children. They are a menace to society. If I could change their ways, I would. But thatÂ’s reality. ItÂ’s about free will. They want to kill each other; so let them lose their souls.
If guns are so easily obtainable when they're illegal then tell me why Singapore doesn't have many homicides involving firearms if any. They can be traced? Yeah sure AFTER the person has shot and killed people. Criminals don't walk into gun stores to buy guns? Not so sure about that...guns are easy to get illegally when a country sells them freely.
This has nothing to do with free will, it's about stopping criminals from having easy access to guns. If criminals don't have guns then I wouldn't need guns to protect myself, can't you see the logic of that?
Check against tyranny? What are you on about? You expect people to overthrow oppressive governments just because they have access to guns? You've been watching too many movies. -
Some serial killers kill many more victims without guns but at a slower pace. Control or ban the use of axe, a power drill, a chainsaw or a screwdriver? They are useful tools, so are guns.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Well I'm sorry I didn't know you were so self righteous because it seems like you're a very good judge of who deserves to live and who don't. Rights to defend oneself? How do you defend yourself when the person attacking you has a friggin gun?
I said I would if I could but I couldnÂ’t, so how can I be judge? Will the criminals listen? Self-righteousness is reserved for people with the power to change things. I donÂ’t have that power. I can talk only.
You are not going to fight a big bully. He can easily twist your neck. You can stop him with a gun, maybe without having to fire a shot. This is just a simple illustration.
Criminals don't obey laws so whatÂ’s the better way other then to have a gun and face an armed criminal?
If guns are so easily obtainable when they're illegal then tell me why Singapore doesn't have many homicides involving firearms if any. They can be traced? Yeah sure AFTER the person has shot and killed people. Criminals don't walk into gun stores to buy guns? Not so sure about that...guns are easy to get illegally when a country sells them freely.
There are some cases of homicides with guns. An enlisted man used his rifle and rounds issued for guard duty to kill a sergeant. Witness said that he was almost cut into two. There are 3 more I can think of, one army 2nd lieutenant and one NCO in the marine police. That was years ago. And a few more involving civilians and police, which I cannot remember vividly. I think there is a recent case still awaiting conviction and sentence.
This has nothing to do with free will, it's about stopping criminals from having easy access to guns. If criminals don't have guns then I wouldn't need guns to protect myself, can't you see the logic of that?
If Singapore is gun free,why is there a need for police to carry guns?
Check against tyranny? What are you on about? You expect people to overthrow oppressive governments just because they have access to guns? You've been watching too many movies.
Yeah I like movies. ItÂ’s my favourite past time. Back to reality.
Freedom/democracy did not come free for every country. Most freedom are paid for with bloodshed except maybe former USSR. But I did not read much about fall of USSR. Demorcacy has its flaws but itÂ’s the best form of government.
Singapore has traded freedom for security. You donÂ’t find fiercely independent individualism here.
If the criminals are better armed, they will still be deterred from committing a crime by the possibility of confronting a victim who has a gun.
The bottom line is guns can be used to kill, guns can also be used to save lives. -
Regardless of what the criminal is armed with, if he is intent on doing you bodily harm, you stand a better chance of protecting yourself and your loved ones with a gun.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Yes but knives have a purpose other than killing people. Guns have only one purpose.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that I'd much rather be up against criminals with knives than criminals with guns.
In most self-defense scenarios, the mere presentation of a firearm is usually sufficient to deescalate the situation, without shots being fired. It happened to a friend and me back in 2004: we were accosted by a pair of thugs demanding cash in an isolated parking ramp at night. We tried walking away but they trailed and then blocked us. When they ignored demands to back off and got too close, we both drew and presented our concealed handguns. The thugs immediately turned tail and left the area, and we (fortunately) did not have to discharge our firearms.
A gun is merely a tool that, in the wrong hands, can do great bodily harm. It is also capable, as googoomuck has pointed out above, of saving lives. If neither of us was armed that night, the outcome might have been different, and it's entirely possible I wouldn't be here typing this. -
I don't need guns. My bare hands is enoughOriginally posted by Meia Gisborn:Regardless of what the criminal is armed with, if he is intent on doing you bodily harm, you stand a better chance of protecting yourself and your loved ones with a gun.
In most self-defense scenarios, the mere presentation of a firearm is usually sufficient to deescalate the situation, without shots being fired. It happened to a friend and me back in 2004: we were accosted by a pair of thugs demanding cash in an isolated parking ramp at night. We tried walking away but they trailed and then blocked us. When they ignored demands to back off and got too close, we both drew and presented our concealed handguns. The thugs immediately turned tail and left the area, and we (fortunately) did not have to discharge our firearms.
A gun is merely a tool that, in the wrong hands, can do great bodily harm. It is also capable, as googoomuck has pointed out above, of saving lives. If neither of us was armed that night, the outcome might have been different, and it's entirely possible I wouldn't be here typing this.
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Shiok! You have a bright future in Hollywood.Originally posted by annoy-you-must:I don't need guns. My bare hands is enough 