Singapore Scientist Says: Male Monkeys Pay for Sex ...
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NTU primatologist says male monkeys groom female monkeys to get sex ....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22516331/
Male Monkeys Pay for Sex by Grooming Females
ale macaque monkeys pay for sex by grooming females, according to a recent study that suggests the primates may treat sex as a commodity.
``In primate societies, grooming is the underlying fabric of it all,'' Dr. Michael Gumert, a primatologist at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, said in a telephone interview Saturday.
``It's a sign of friendship and family, and it's also something that can be exchanged for sexual services,'' Gumert said.
Gumert's findings, reported in New Scientist last week, resulted from a 20-month observation of about 50 long-tailed macaques in a reserve in Central Kalimantan, Indonesia.
Gumert found after a male grooms a female, the likelihood that she will engage in sexual activity with the male was about three times more than if the grooming had not occurred.
And as with other commodities, the value of sex is affected by supply and demand factors: A male would spend more time grooming a female if there were fewer females in the vicinity.
``And when the female supply is higher, the male spends less time on grooming ... The mating actually becomes cheaper depending on the market,'' Gumert said.
Other experts not involved in the study welcomed Gumert's research, saying it was a major effort in systematically studying the interaction of organisms in ways in which an exchange of commodities or services can be observed _ a theory known as biological markets.
Dr. Peter Hammerstein, a professor at the Institute for Theoretical Biology at Humboldt University in Berlin and Dr. Ronald Noe, a primatologist at the University of Louis-Pasteur in Strasbourg, France, first proposed the concept of biological markets in 1994.
``It is not a rare phenomenon in nature that males have to make some 'mating effort' in order to get a female's 'permission' to mate,'' Hammerstein said in an interview, likening the effort to a ``fee'' that the male pays.
``The interesting result of Dr. Gumert's research on macaque mating is that the mating market seems to have an influence on the amount of this fee,'' Hammerstein said.
Hammserstein said Gumert's findings indicate the monkeys are capable of adjusting their behavior to ``different market conditions.''
Gumert completed his fieldwork in February 2005 and first published his findings in the November issue of ``Animal Behaviour,'' a scientific monthly journal.
glad to see that Singkie based scientists are involved in such earth shattering research of great benefit to mankind ... now we know that female primates of different species all exhibit the same behaviour ...
I wonder if he hangs out around bukit timah nature reserve a lot ...
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Oh no -
female wants sayang
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Teee heee heee heee...
Sooooo, humans are not THAT different after all.
Learn from the chimps guys..bwaahahahahha~ -
he went to kalimantan to observe monkeys ..... but we have exactly the same species in pest proportions at the bukit timah nature reserve also ....
since monkeys would fark anywhere, why the need to fly to kalimantan ? ... -
There more natural maOriginally posted by Fatum:he went to kalimantan to observe monkeys ..... but we have exactly the same species in pest proportions at the bukit timah nature reserve also ....
since monkeys would fark anywhere, why the need to fly to kalimantan ? ... -
So are there any female primates here needs grooming?
I wun mind doing a free grooming session for sex.. heehee..
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Solleee, females here no fleas.Originally posted by Maurince:So are there any female primates here needs grooming?
I wun mind doing a free grooming session for sex.. heehee..
You want the primates with fleas go Macritchie or Bukit Timah. -
what's the difference ? ... the monkeys will still groom and fark anywhere right ... the only diff is that at bukit timah nature reserve they can snatch sandwiches and get bananas from stupid singkies who doesn't know how to read the "no feeding" signs and those monkeys in indonesia are consigned to a wretched live of constant foraging ....Originally posted by sbst275:There more natural ma
if anything, he should have studied the monkeys in singapore, since I'd imagine grooming and farking comes only after a full stomach, no ? ... -
Yah lah, but you must understand.Originally posted by Fatum:what's the difference ? ... the monkeys will still groom and fark anywhere right ... the only diff is that at bukit timah nature reserve they can snatch sandwiches and get bananas from stupid singkies who doesn't know how to read the "no feeding" signs and those monkeys in indonesia are consigned to a wretched live of constant foraging ....
if anything, he should have studied the monkeys in singapore, since I'd imagine grooming and farking comes only after a full stomach, no ? ...
Those monkeys in Singapore has a good life, like the top few percentage of our Singkies. Not a good representation.
So to ensure his research is more credible he must observe monkeys that live like the majority of the population. -
good life = fark and groom more, no ? ...Originally posted by jojobeach:Yah lah, but you must understand.
Those monkeys in Singapore has a good life, like the top few percentage of our Singkies. Not a good representation.
if you're a hungry monkey I'd imagine you wouldn't be grooming and farking as often ... -
Actually, I believe the opposite is true.Originally posted by Fatum:good life = fark and groom more, no ? ...
if you're a hungry monkey I'd imagine you wouldn't be grooming and farking as often ...
Sex gives you satisfaction, no ?
If you can afford other form of satisfaction would you be farking more or less ? -
they are monkeys ! ...Originally posted by jojobeach:Actually, I believe the opposite is true.
Sex gives you satisfaction, no ?
If you can afford other form of satisfaction would you be farking more or less ?
what else they'd do besides groom, forage and fark ? ... I don't think they'll enjoy playing wii .... -
How do you know they don't have other kinds of entertainment ?Originally posted by Fatum:they are monkeys ! ...
what else they'd do besides groom, forage and fark ? ... I don't think they'll enjoy playing wii ....
You're not a monkey , are you ? -
i've seen a monkey raping his daughter
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well ... I haven't seen one reading a book or watching a movie, have you ...Originally posted by jojobeach:How do you know they don't have other kinds of entertainment ?
You're not a monkey , are you ? -
great!
so what's his pay per month again? -
Those are monkeys ... for gawd's sake. They have monkey ways to entertain themselves...go watch Discovery Channel more.Originally posted by Fatum:well ... I haven't seen one reading a book or watching a movie, have you ... -
yesh, I suppose they do ....Originally posted by jojobeach:Those are monkeys ... for gawd's sake. They have monkey ways to entertain themselves...go watch Discovery Channel more.
but we're talking about monkeys farking for gawd's sake .... since the piece was implying that that particular species of monkeys groom and fark the same everywhere it'll be the same for bukit timah nature reserve, no ? .. -
Well, if you're interested how monkeys behaves in a Un-natural setting, then yeah....Originally posted by Fatum:yesh, I suppose they do ....
but we're talking about monkeys farking for gawd's sake .... since the piece was implying that that particular species of monkeys groom and fark the same everywhere it'll be the same for bukit timah nature reserve, no ? ..
But then, wouldn't the monkeys in the Mandai Zoo do too ?? No need to chase after them ya ? -
no long tail marques at the mandai zoo ....Originally posted by jojobeach:Well, if you're interested how monkeys behaves in a Un-natural setting, then yeah....
But then, wouldn't the monkeys in the Mandai Zoo do too ?? No need to chase after them ya ? -
Why must be long tail marques ? Other monkeys cannot meh ??????Originally posted by Fatum:no long tail marques at the mandai zoo ....
Bo liao... -
but don't you see this is a boh liao thread ? ...Originally posted by jojobeach:Why must be long tail marques ? Other monkeys cannot meh ??????
Bo liao...
we're discussing the grooming and farking habits of monkeys .... -
Wait me go observe Nepalese donkeys.Originally posted by Fatum:but don't you see this is a boh liao thread ? ...
we're discussing the grooming and farking habits of monkeys .... -
Maybe it's just the monkey's way of foreplaying. The scientists think too much liao.