Nikon D80 or D90?
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d80, d90, nikon, canon, who cares? no ideas, no "eye", means cannot shoot even if u get a Canon 1Ds Mark III or a friggin Hasselblad H3D.
shoot RAW and do your own adjustments, so no more arguments about photo colour / vibrance or whatever bullcrap.
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Originally posted by FrozernFire:
does the D90 have a tilt swivel lcd screen? if it has, the live view function can be useful for getting over-the-head shots or shots from a weird angle
no
just put over your head and fire away lah, its digital, not film. you're not wasting anything.
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Originally posted by Chyeo1979:
3 yrs ago I would have agreed that Canon's pic quality is better, but even then, "alot better" is not an appropriate/correct description.
You can try posting such statement (Canon's pic quality is a lot better than Nikon etc) in a common area at Clubsnap, and you can expect a flame war between both sides and closing down of the thread soon.
Oh, so there an appropriate or inappropriate in an individual's opinion? I see...I am not trying to support canon nor advertise clubsnap here. But just merely sharing my view points. Like wise, your preference and recommendations is on Nikon products. So, instead of trying to prove to me that i'm wrong about canon's product quality , maybe you should try to say on how good is D90 and why you recommend it?
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
geez, the "pros" there are idiots too
it doesn't help when everyone is so worried about equipment when they should be brushing up on photography itself.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
d80, d90, nikon, canon, who cares? no ideas, no "eye", means cannot shoot even if u get a Canon 1Ds Mark III or a friggin Hasselblad H3D.
shoot RAW and do your own adjustments, so no more arguments about photo colour / vibrance or whatever bullcrap.
True, once you photoshop it, there will be no qualms about the quality and equipments used. But sad to say, both equipments have different kinds of RAW. Even canon got their own RAW formats.
Thus it does have differences and sure provokes arguments.
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
I think this is a shallow opinion. Only able to recognise idiots and forsake the pros.oh man, u don't get it do you?
there are no "pros" in clubsnap
all u read are people who can comment even if u put a piece of blank paper. and the 'tips' that the 'pros' give are total rubbish to me.
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
True, once you photoshop it, there will be no qualms about the quality and equipments used. But sad to say, both equipments have different kinds of RAW. Even canon got their own RAW formats.
Thus it does have differences and sure provokes arguments.
if u REALLY take a photo, who cares? people look at the output.
all I can say is, stop being so anal about sensors. photography is simple, you people make it seem so complicated with all the techno talk.
it is the very people who carry a D70s, look at the results of the pros and they think "maybe if i get his equipment i can get his results" which is quite rubbish. and THAT is a very bad mentality.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
98% of the "pros" in that forum can't even shoot something like this. the "portraits and poses" section is a damn joke with people who don't bother to touch up their photos. even if they do any editing, it is terrible.
"98% of the "pros" in that forum can't even shoot something like this."
How credible is your stated figure, 98%? Any research / surveys done to prove your statement? Or based on what your narrow vision sees?
Aren't photography meant to be "free style"? Why must follow this kind of "portraits and poses"?
From your reply, i can really see that you've missed alot of nice photos taken by that forumers.
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i still say, a poor workman blames his tools.
if the fella uses a china hammer and makes an A grade output, then what?
people will look at the A grade output, not the china hammer that knocked it into shape.
just ask yourself, do you honestly need all those megapixels in the first place? do you blow your images big for an exhibition so that people can look and comment about the noise?
if one can take a photo, what camera, doesn't really matter. unless u tell me i gotta take sports shots and i'm working on a 1 fps camera. then i will say that my hit rate will decrease compared to a 8fps camera
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
"98% of the "pros" in that forum can't even shoot something like this."
How credible is your stated figure, 98%? Any research / surveys done to prove your statement? Or based on what your narrow vision sees?
Aren't photography meant to be "free style"? Why must follow this kind of "portraits and poses"?
From your reply, i can really see that you've missed alot of nice photos taken by that forumers.
i see that u are affected and you have "attachments" to that place
but its ok, i know what i am saying.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
Which one more expensive?
cb you and your expensive is good theory again
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if u want to listen to real discussions, u can join me and my group of artists
not crapsnap.
i assure u that u will be wondering why u bother to visit that forum to look at those photos there.
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Originally posted by TehJarVu:
cb you and your expensive is good theory againbut, expensive is good what!
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
i still say, a poor workman blames his tools.
if the fella uses a china hammer and makes an A grade output, then what?
people will look at the A grade output, not the china hammer that knocked it into shape.
just ask yourself, do you honestly need all those megapixels in the first place? do you blow your images big for an exhibition so that people can look and comment about the noise?
if one can take a photo, what camera, doesn't really matter. unless u tell me i gotta take sports shots and i'm working on a 1 fps camera. then i will say that my hit rate will decrease compared to a 8fps camera
We are talking about DSLRs here. There is no relation to which country the product comes from. Canon may be a japanese brand but they do have camera equipments made in china.
And DSLRs really talks about megapixels and interchangable lens for multi-purpose photography, regardless if you need the functions or not. TS started this tread with Nikon DSLR. Can he reduce the megapixels of Nikon DSLR even if he don't want it to be too big since he might not need to blow up images for an exhibition?
You might have gone abit out of topics to argue your preference of photography.
Originally posted by kopiosatu:if u REALLY take a photo, who cares? people look at the output.
all I can say is, stop being so anal about sensors. photography is simple, you people make it seem so complicated with all the techno talk.
it is the very people who carry a D70s, look at the results of the pros and they think "maybe if i get his equipment i can get his results" which is quite rubbish. and THAT is a very bad mentality.
Sorry but i think i'm gonna stop this endless and pointless argument with someone who don't know photography at all.
Photography is simple to layman.
But if you learn deep, its the study of ISOs, Apertures, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Exposures, Flash / Exposure Compensation, Wide/Portrait/Tele Focal Length, Focal point, Focusing Distance etc. that actually gives you good pictures.Maybe PNS is more suitable for you. Since you can just point and shoot and hoping the sensors gives you nice effect in a boring background without any adjustments. Photography then is simple.
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Sorry but i think i'm gonna stop this endless and pointless argument with someone who don't know photography at all.
Photography is simple to layman.
But if you learn deep, its the study of ISOs, Apertures, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Exposures, Flash / Exposure Compensation, Wide/Portrait/Tele Focal Length, Focal point, Focusing Distance etc. that actually gives you good pictures.Maybe PNS is more suitable for you. Since you can just point and shoot and hoping the sensors gives you nice effect in a boring background without any adjustments. Photography then is simple.
this is hilarious
i gotta show this to the rest of the guys
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Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Sorry but i think i'm gonna stop this endless and pointless argument with someone who don't know photography at all.
Photography is simple to layman.
But if you learn deep, its the study of ISOs, Apertures, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Exposures, Flash / Exposure Compensation, Wide/Portrait/Tele Focal Length, Focal point, Focusing Distance etc. that actually gives you good pictures.Maybe PNS is more suitable for you. Since you can just point and shoot and hoping the sensors gives you nice effect in a boring background without any adjustments. Photography then is simple.
omg you noob
do u know who u are talking to? -
Originally posted by TehJarVu:
omg you noob
do u know who u are talking to?he dunno, and he wun know, its ok
low profile in local forums better
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Originally posted by TehJarVu:
omg you noob
do u know who u are talking to?
its none of your business. -
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Oh, so there an appropriate or inappropriate in an individual's opinion? I see...I am not trying to support canon nor advertise clubsnap here. But just merely sharing my view points. Like wise, your preference and recommendations is on Nikon products. So, instead of trying to prove to me that i'm wrong about canon's product quality , maybe you should try to say on how good is D90 and why you recommend it?
Well, your statement doesn't sound like an opinion to me, but more like a confirmation or known fact that C is better than N. If it's just your opinion, then I guess I have nothing to rebut as it's your rights to think so.
I'm not standing on Nikon's side, just making a suggestion to TS on his choice of D80 or D90.
I'm guessing the price difference between the 2 is not an issue to him. Some critics might not think that D90's pic quality is better than D80, however I feel that it do have a slight advantage compared to D80 at higher ISO. Whatever it is, the pic difference between them is probably not significant enough to determine which one is better. Both can produce wonderful images.
More distinguishly, the other areas which I feel will be useful are the higher FPS, better LCD resolution and live view. These might not affect the pics outcome directly but definitely help in certain situations to get the pics he wants.
higher FPS: good for action/sports scenes
better LCD resolution: better guage of correct focusing on the spot, rather than knocking your head after downloading pics to your PC
live view: good for difficult angles, no need to prone on the ground and attract funny stares to get a low angled shot. Many potential good shots are missed because people do not dare to do such funny stuff to take the images.
The rest of the kachang puteh improvements are probably just good to have and make the increased price looks more worthwhile. And no matter what, I dun see why choose a technology that is 2 yrs older if money is not an issue. -
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:Sorry but i think i'm gonna stop this endless and pointless argument with someone who don't know photography at all.
Photography is simple to layman.
But if you learn deep, its the study of ISOs, Apertures, Shutter Speed, White Balance, Exposures, Flash / Exposure Compensation, Wide/Portrait/Tele Focal Length, Focal point, Focusing Distance etc. that actually gives you good pictures.Maybe PNS is more suitable for you. Since you can just point and shoot and hoping the sensors gives you nice effect in a boring background without any adjustments. Photography then is simple.
If photography is simple to a layman. I worry about the results.What is knowledge when not put into good use?
All talk no action only.
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haiz. I'm one of those simple minded people that can only use point and shoots lah. not worthy to mix with the 'pros'.
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Hi people, thanks for all the advise. I'll be getting the D90 this weekend. And extra thanks to my man kopisatu, your views are greatly appreciated although I have to apologise in advance that Man United will devour Liverpool this weekend
Thanks again people!
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Ahahahaha...if you know sod-all about composition, you'll still create (notice that I don't use the word 'get') mediocre shots even with a Hasselblad.
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PLBV folks, PLBV.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
PLBV folks, PLBV.
What does that stand for?