Originally posted by Meat Pao:I am not sure why you are not receptive to my suggestions....I think it will be interesting if you can do that....
Lots of "debunk studies" on Oujia is basically like this.....they conduct experiments where a practitioner is blindfolded, the Board is unknowingly turned 180 degrees, then the practitioner is asked some questions again.....then these people still point to the spot where they thought the previous "Yes" , "No" are still located, and words are gibberish....which proves that the movement is not guided by spirits, but from their own minds. Subconsciously of course. It is just self-suggestion.
so your theory is that Oujia board is a hoax? okay i have no proof against you. you win. Oujia board is officially declared a hoax by Meat Pao. we have a winner here! yeah!
er... so, what's next on the menu?
Sorry to disturb you....I didnt mean to distract the topic...maybe next time I should PM with Master.
Originally posted by novelltie:so your theory is that Oujia board is a hoax? okay i have no proof against you. you win. Oujia board is officially declared a hoax by Meat Pao. we have a winner here! yeah!
er... so, what's next on the menu?
Fire-walking is actually a staged act?
Originally posted by iveco:Fire-walking is actually a staged act?
i'm a firm believer of the supernatural. they exist and walk among us, this i believe 100%. i believe fire-walking is not a staged act. its the gods that possessed the mere mortals and gave them the superhuman endurance. i believe that angels and devils roam the earth... watching over us for either good or bad reasons.
i believe that there are many unexplained mysteries like the mystery of Fatimah and the sightings of UFOs. i believe that we will never fully understand our brain and we will never fully understand mother nature. i believe that black magic is real and nothing should be taken for granted. i believe in demonic possessions and the need of exorcists from the Catholic Church. i believe that vampires once roamed the earth but they are hiding now waiting for the end of time.
Originally posted by novelltie:
i'm a firm believer of the supernatural. they exist and walk among us, this i believe 100%. i believe fire-walking is not a staged act. its the gods that possessed the mere mortals and gave them the superhuman endurance. i believe that angels and devils roam the earth... watching over us for either good or bad reasons.i believe that there are many unexplained mysteries like the mystery of Fatimah and the sightings of UFOs. i believe that we will never fully understand our brain and we will never fully understand mother nature. i believe that black magic is real and nothing should be taken for granted. i believe in demonic possessions and the need of exorcists from the Catholic Church. i believe that vampires once roamed the earth but they are hiding now waiting for the end of time.
That's an awful lots of beliefs. Your beliefs must be substantiated however personal in order for you to know it's a responsible belief.
I started with faith and . . . my faith was justified.
Just some ....really just some
I believe there is only one powerful God because I my eyes have behold Him when I was a little.
I believe there are supernatural beings usually unseen by our naked eyes because I've seen one, felt a holy one from God and wasn't allowed to speak then(not in terror), attacked by another and felt one other flying across the classroom in broad daylight in a room full of other people emitting energy wave which could clearly be felt which it intended to be felt.
I believe God is all powerful He granted my prayer in an instant a couple times.
Originally posted by Meat Pao:Dont believe in superstition....
It is not anything connected to the spiritual realm....just psychological realm.
Have you seen people walking in Orchard Rd in broad daylight, suddenly 10 people of them getting "possessed"?
It is always a group of close-knit people who were previously mentally preconditioned. Either they walk in a dark park, walk in a jungle etc, so their mind is already scared and tense, so when one person says "somebody is choking me" then the rest suddenly got infected and lost composure, "ah yes someone is choking me too"
It is just a case of mass hysteria.
Have you seen a group of 40-year old men getting mass possessed...?
It is always teenagers, girls, etc.....if you put a 40 year old men in their midst who is cool and "dont care" , he wont ever get possessed. That tells you it is not a real possession but psychological issue.
Yah, i saw alot usually during weekends and usually its the malay boys that behaves like monkies. Talk very loud, on very loud music and making a nuisance!
Originally posted by Meat Pao:Master...can you help me to do something...
Can you do this for your next session....when you are doing Ouijia...
Let's say you....or your friend is doing Ouijia....
Can another person stop it for a bit, blindfold that person, then turn the Ouijia Board 180 degree. Then resume again...
Usually, the person will still point to "yes" "no" like what he thought the board layout was....and he will spell gibberish due to the changed layout too....
So that means it is not really a "spirit" guiding him, but his own self-suggestion.
Try it for the next session with your friends...and see whether it is true or not....just for experimentation.....
Here is the YouTube video of the martial artist I mentioned....I more believe in these kinds of things...
Hi Meat Pao,
i need to share with you my experiences with this pen-fairy (笔仙). I'm not trying to make you believe in spirts and in fact, i'm more into human psychology too. But my friend proved to me that if you don't see them, it does not mean they never exist. Eg. Electricity Current / Wind.
Ok, so, i was with this ex-gf of mine when i was in sec 3. I joined her class chalet. After dinner, we separated into 2 groups, 1 group go for bowling, the other back to chalet.
We both, together with another 5 went back to chalet after dinner and since got nothing to do, my gf and 1 played pen-fairy. We managed to invite an entity by the name of Felicia, 19yrs old then. When asked, she was dead in Changi Beach. But just so suddenly, the light in the kitchen went off! We were afraid and went to the upper room to hide while waiting for the bowling group to return.
When the bowling group returns, we never tell them anything. So all of us hide in the room for games and no one is in the living room. Just then, a girl (from the bowling group) went to the living room toilet by herself and when she came back, she asked if anyone followed her when she goes to toilet or not. We said no and asked her why she ask this question? And she said that while she was inside the toilet, she heard a female voice singing, the voice came from the living room! But in fact, all of us, except for the girl that visits the ladies, is in the upper room!
Hmm... strange right?
Hopefully this thread will not have any bad arguments in between forumers who fights for their believes.
We choose to believe in whatever we want and it is not wrong and nobody can say its wrong.
But somehow, supernatural is a taboo topic, hard to explain. Even scientist cannot explain this too.
So, no one is right or wrong in this sense.
One thing i do convinced myself with... "the world is so big... surely there must be something observing us from afar or another dimension...."
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:Hi Meat Pao,
i need to share with you my experiences with this pen-fairy (笔仙). I'm not trying to make you believe in spirts and in fact, i'm more into human psychology too. But my friend proved to me that if you don't see them, it does not mean they never exist. Eg. Electricity Current / Wind.
Ok, so, i was with this ex-gf of mine when i was in sec 3. I joined her class chalet. After dinner, we separated into 2 groups, 1 group go for bowling, the other back to chalet.
We both, together with another 5 went back to chalet after dinner and since got nothing to do, my gf and 1 played pen-fairy. We managed to invite an entity by the name of Felicia, 19yrs old then. When asked, she was dead in Changi Beach. But just so suddenly, the light in the kitchen went off! We were afraid and went to the upper room to hide while waiting for the bowling group to return.
When the bowling group returns, we never tell them anything. So all of us hide in the room for games and no one is in the living room. Just then, a girl (from the bowling group) went to the living room toilet by herself and when she came back, she asked if anyone followed her when she goes to toilet or not. We said no and asked her why she ask this question? And she said that while she was inside the toilet, she heard a female voice singing, the voice came from the living room! But in fact, all of us, except for the girl that visits the ladies, is in the upper room!
Hmm... strange right?
freaky yo!!! nvr explain how u do it!
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:That's an awful lots of beliefs. Your beliefs must be substantiated however personal in order for you to know it's a responsible belief.
I started with faith and . . . my faith was justified.
Just some ....really just some
I believe there is only one powerful God because I my eyes have behold Him when I was a little.
I believe there are supernatural beings usually unseen by our naked eyes because I've seen one, felt a holy one from God and wasn't allowed to speak then(not in terror), attacked by another and felt one other flying across the classroom in broad daylight in a room full of other people emitting energy wave which could clearly be felt which it intended to be felt.
I believe God is all powerful He granted my prayer in an instant a couple times.
my belief in God doesn't cease even if i have many other supernatural beliefs. why? cos' my system of belief is simple; all of them fall under the category, "God's above them all"
so if you ask me who create UFOs, i'll say God. if you ask me who create spirits, i'll say God. if you ask me why mother nature can be a destroyer, i'll say only God knows.
Amen.
does anyone have concrete evidence that the incident occured at Labrador Park or is this just heard from someone else? is there anyone from the scene who can tell what actually happened?
Originally posted by Jennyisastar:does anyone have concrete evidence that the incident occured at Labrador Park or is this just heard from someone else? is there anyone from the scene who can tell what actually happened?
let me check if my friend is willingly to input his "first hand" experience on sgforums.
Is true orh..i don't used to believe in spirits either..thinking that they are a hoax by parents or elderies so that the kids won't stray off too late at night..
anyway, when i was in sec sch..my group of friends tried out with
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to be frank, i don't really believed in it..i mean..so many fingers poised over this coin & who knows, someone else might be pulling on to the coin?
so i end up trying it by myself & that coin really moved! though i kept saying out loud & in my mind to request that the spirit be back "home"..bt the coin simply keep going from left up right down..anyway, i just released the coin & ran off (yah i know..coward =.=''')
anyway, we debbled with it again during 1 school camp..& certain things did happened..during the camp..we feel uneasy..another friend claims that she feel something holding on to her hand..another feel that something pinched her (& there's bruises) & another feel that something bite her (& we discovered that there are red little spots on her arm)..i mean..u all can dismissed those red spots as allergy or whatever..
well..we did took quite alot of photos during the camp..as we were in sec 4..so is like going to be the last camp in sch..so we used up around 3 rolls of film (that time digicam wasn't that "in" yet =D)
after we developed the photos..all of us were in shock..cuz all the photos turned out to be greenish in colour..all the 3 rolls in fact..& the negatives looks fine..doesn't looks like it's exposed..
the bunch of us went up to sought the help from a nearby Chinese temple near our school...& the nun told us that we were being harrassed by spirits (well, that's what she says anyway) & after which, she recite some prayers & gave us amulet (which she says that is 开过光)..
basically, nothing happened to us after that..perhaps those amulets really helped? o_o
but 1 thing for sure..the bunch of us definitely believed in the existence of spirits after that incident..& i definitely never ever debbled with it again =x
Originally posted by miNty`:Is true orh..i don't used to believe in spirits either..thinking that they are a hoax by parents or elderies so that the kids won't stray off too late at night..
anyway, when i was in sec sch..my group of friends tried out with
钱仙
to be frank, i don't really believed in it..i mean..so many fingers poised over this coin & who knows, someone else might be pulling on to the coin?
so i end up trying it by myself & that coin really moved! though i kept saying out loud & in my mind to request that the spirit be back "home"..bt the coin simply keep going from left up right down..anyway, i just released the coin & ran off (yah i know..coward =.=''')
anyway, we debbled with it again during 1 school camp..& certain things did happened..during the camp..we feel uneasy..another friend claims that she feel something holding on to her hand..another feel that something pinched her (& there's bruises) & another feel that something bite her (& we discovered that there are red little spots on her arm)..i mean..u all can dismissed those red spots as allergy or whatever..
well..we did took quite alot of photos during the camp..as we were in sec 4..so is like going to be the last camp in sch..so we used up around 3 rolls of film (that time digicam wasn't that "in" yet =D)
after we developed the photos..all of us were in shock..cuz all the photos turned out to be greenish in colour..all the 3 rolls in fact..& the negatives looks fine..doesn't looks like it's exposed..
the bunch of us went up to sought the help from a nearby Chinese temple near our school...& the nun told us that we were being harrassed by spirits (well, that's what she says anyway) & after which, she recite some prayers & gave us amulet (which she says that is 开过光)..
basically, nothing happened to us after that..perhaps those amulets really helped? o_o
but 1 thing for sure..the bunch of us definitely believed in the existence of spirits after that incident..& i definitely never ever debbled with it again =x
i think your method is the same as Ouija Board, or 碟仙。 Is it possible to digitalise it and show us the photos?
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:i think your method is the same as Ouija Board, or 碟仙。 Is it possible to digitalise it and show us the photos?
the photos gone loh..so many years ago..
Originally posted by miNty`:
the photos gone loh..so many years ago..
Icic... anyway, glad nothing terrible happened to you.
I've got a colleague who claims that his camp mate played with Ouija board during NS too.
as they were drivers, the next day, their 3 tonners involved in a fatal accident. All 3 of them who played, suffered serious leg injuries. 2 died from the injury. Coincidence?
Originally posted by Hawk Eye:
Icic... anyway, glad nothing terrible happened to you.I've got a colleague who claims that his camp mate played with Ouija board during NS too.
as they were drivers, the next day, their 3 tonners involved in a fatal accident. All 3 of them who played, suffered serious leg injuries. 2 died from the injury. Coincidence?
ya nor..our encounters only like what we mentioned..those red spots bite..or bruises..bt nothing serious happened..really heng >.<
wah....2 even died O_O
did u know if they did anything rude when they play with the Ouija board? like teasing the spirit or what?.. o_o
Originally posted by novelltie:my belief in God doesn't cease even if i have many other supernatural beliefs. why? cos' my system of belief is simple; all of them fall under the category, "God's above them all"
so if you ask me who create UFOs, i'll say God. if you ask me who create spirits, i'll say God. if you ask me why mother nature can be a destroyer, i'll say only God knows.
Amen.
it just that you seem to believe in a lot of things.
There hasn't been any proof about UFO for example. But nonetheless I respect you especially since you believe in God.
I'm just saying that we need to justify what we believe in and not to be taken easily by rumors and such, even by the flock. My belief in God and the existence of spirits both can be justified by my past experience. But I can't say the same for stuffs like vampires and UFOS no matter how much I want for us not to be alone in this ever expanding universe. Not that I mind what you believe in but I'm just merely suggesting you to be careful on what you believe and not believe in. Be open and rational but don't be naive and easily taken.
Originally posted by miNty`:
ya nor..our encounters only like what we mentioned..those red spots bite..or bruises..bt nothing serious happened..really heng >.<
wah....2 even died O_O
did u know if they did anything rude when they play with the Ouija board? like teasing the spirit or what?.. o_o
Playing quija board often leads to demon possession. Avoid playing it at all cost! Especially Christian. Don't get yourself involved in occult ritual. Have no part of it. It's dangerous and stupid. even if you're not Christian avoid quija board! Not worth a cent considering the risk. You may think the risk involved is small but dealing with the unknown you can't even have a smallest bearing on how much risk you're taking. You may get lucky once twice or even 12 times but will you still be lucky next time?
Besides dead people spirit should be in Hades resting. Any spirit roaming around should be taken as demon.
Originally posted by novelltie:my belief in God doesn't cease even if i have many other supernatural beliefs. why? cos' my system of belief is simple; all of them fall under the category, "God's above them all"
so if you ask me who create UFOs, i'll say God. if you ask me who create spirits, i'll say God. if you ask me why mother nature can be a destroyer, i'll say only God knows.
Amen.
So, who created God? Who started the beginning of time? What was before the beginning?
Originally posted by miNty`:
ya nor..our encounters only like what we mentioned..those red spots bite..or bruises..bt nothing serious happened..really heng >.<
wah....2 even died O_O
did u know if they did anything rude when they play with the Ouija board? like teasing the spirit or what?.. o_o
I did not ask in details loh.
But its not uncommon to hear death caused by playing Ouija Board.
And so glad that we still survived until today...
Originally posted by Choppy Hats:So, who created God? Who started the beginning of time? What was before the beginning?
you asking me? er... how am i supposed to know? do i look i'm as old as time itself? you want me to quote the Bible, i can quote but knowing your style of asking, you'll probably refute the bible anyway... cos' every other religion has their own story of the "beginning".
so you are asking me a question not even Albert Einstein or any smartest man on earth, death, alive or even not born yet could answer. how am i supposed to answer?
err, so what happen to the mass possession thing? is there any news paper article?
I agree supernatural is a taboo topic ..
I had featured this news into my blog hope you guys don't mind ^_^