ad hominem
if u want to prove him wrong, stop focusing on his tone, his character, yada yada
i believe its because you do not have answers?
There is no one I know or heard of who has the answers, if you happen to find one, please tell the press.
Pardon the tone there.
It wasn't an attempt to divert and refocus on him personally, the nature of the topic is of one that has no answers, thus the need to do so wasn't there at all.
It was just a response to the way he was talking like he had the answers, dismissing with a sneer every plausible explanation raised, which was made worse by the absense of a well-constructed argument of his own belief being provided.
i know SIS for long, i believe he is you hua zhi shuo
u only know how to attack his tone, dismissing his arguments, inclined to think he talks like he has the answers
i think u got far to learn, how to argue an argument and not distracted by other irrelevant materials
you have definitely proven to be strong and vocal ... against the views of others that is. You'd have been more construtive and interesting if you are using all those time and energy expressing and refining your own convictions on the topic, if any that is
Tat is strange... I thought my belief is already pretty clear. I do not believe in supernatural and I have stated tis pretty much a lot of times in the thread. How else do I define such a simple stand ?
It was just a response to the way he was talking like he had the answers, dismissing with a sneer every plausible explanation raised, which was made worse by the absense of a well-constructed argument of his own belief being provided
The replies I give r not new. In fact some of the arguments u given is debated before a few years ago in eternal hope. If u felt the things I said is wrong, just rebuked it. I do not have all the answers myself. But I do have for some. So why so unhappy tat I said it ? Don't u want answers ?
yeah, but speaking as a person who does not know him for that long, I guess this is an approriate response to such behaviour.
i think u got far to learn, how to argue an argument and not distracted by other irrelevant materials
if you have followed the thread, you would hv realised that's exactly wat I did, but only for a reasonable amt of time.
i think u all are just venting your frustrations on him
and take whatever stand he make as a plausible excuse to slur his name
if he is not convinced, then work harder..or dont at all
So why so unhappy tat I said it ?
wait a min? Was I unhappy? Tot you were unhappy, if not you wouldn't hv left the thread in a huff, and now came back with a vengence
take whatever stand he make as a plausible excuse to slur his name
this is not the case, it was cos he's too insensitive to such issues. This topic involves beliefs system which some ppl mgr have devoted their whole life to, some even was taught in the family and passed down by their parents thru generations. You Hua Zhi Shuo is not an excuse to be insensitive, if he knows this is his character and it cannot be tamed, then aviod such topics all the more.
earlier there was someone who feel tat probably my agressiveness had made the discussion muted. If tat is the case, I can exit the thread and let people continue. I did not left in a "huff". In fact I am not very free for the next few days and I wanna cut down on my forum writing so it can be a blessing in disguise to me
However now u seems to have a lot of grieviences on the way I reply especially on the fact tat I seemed to ba able to respond to the points u had made. Tat is why I state u r unhappy with the things I said.
Nevertheless, your earlier reply is pretty much out of point to the whole topic
this is not the case, it was cos he's too insensitive to such issues. This topic involves beliefs system which some ppl mgr have devoted their whole life to, some even was taught in the family and passed down by their parents thru generations. You Hua Zhi Shuo is not an excuse to be insensitive, if he knows this is his character and it cannot be tamed, then aviod such topics all the more
Let me ask u. When u see debate in television shows, do they really pamper the other party, become courteous and add a lot of courtesy words and talk in circles hoping the other party get the hint ? When u see parliament debate in USA, do they become courteous, talk about how well the other person is, the clothes they wear is so nice etc ?
Tis is not aunt agony
I am sorry but u should get used to discussions. I did not spurt vulgarities or talk out of point and go personal attacks. I pointed out wat should be said directly. If proving my own stand is being insensitive, then u r really just seeking for self affirmation. U don't want opposing views
Have you ever seen anyone dismissing a religious belief on local radio or TV? Could you name just one?
Does tis look like a tv show or local radio ?
I never see people scolding the gov in singapore tv show or local radio but look at speakers corner (sgforum) now
Let me ask u. When u see debate in television shows
well, who started with the TV show thing?
I am beginning to understand what laurence82 was trying to make me understand. hahaa
Ok, you win.
well, who started with the TV show thing?
I am talking about discussions in general.
for me i believe in god, not the ang mo god, the chinese god.
I believe in god to make me be good man.
I understand that everyone want to be good man but alas, non can. so believe in god, have faith in god. pray when u are in problems. god will help u
There are two kinds of crappy people when it comes to religion:
The unbelievers who crap on everyone who believes because they think they are smarter and more logical than everyone else.
The religious fanatics who crap on everyone who do not believe in their relgion because they think they are the chosen ones.
Both have "Better than Thou" or "Holier than Thou" attitude, ie. arrogance.
I believe in God cos he bring hopes =)
Originally posted by Ms.shells:I believe in God cos he bring hopes =)
I can't believe in God because God brings damnation.
Governments love religion, it connotes control and order
Originally posted by RoystonLaw:Governments love religion, it connotes control and order
So does popular culture! =D
Hello people.
Hmm, as usual, I ask forgiveness from mebers involved in this thread, so whatever that is stated in the latter is well taken care of.
Humanity, though within innumerable years have progressed, flourishing the earth with its bloodline, from generation to generation; yet it is in 2009 that we traversed back in Time once again in realization, perhaps: Humanity is off track, from the very reason of its existence.
The birth of Humanity was of a beauty delicate, and the world was made in perfection to its preference. Humanity is bounded in Life as such the presence of it was a mystery in nature and of, a cure; purpose of Life. And thereby the concluding of purpose of Life procures solution to the mystery of Humanity via revelation of its existence.
Humanity in cosmology value of humans were shaped in both ways of the unseen and the visible that to which, renders the capability to pseudo-operating of physcial and psychological aspects under every circumstances; as such the sum of Humanity as a whole is that of a pseudo-quality observed, when subbed in to the world, constitutes to the sustaining factor that is to be understood in the explanation of the duality of things in nature. The pseudo-operating of physical and psychological aspects of Humanity vary in hierarchical form in order of chronology with the psychological factors as the onset of the whole formula in like of the first domino that when in collision to the next, contributes to the infinite motion and momentum with Life over Time. (The infinite motion illustrates the philosophy at which in Time the notion of all things set in infinity with Probability at play, and the inability to the halting of the change of things; while the infinite momentum of Life is defined as the unending momentum of Life via the maintained order at which speed is and that is of unalterable.)
Humanity, as of individuals, and the emphasis of entirety, was not only able to walk the corners of the world, but also stranded between the illusionary of the duality of things; being informed of its state in a world impermanent and at change. The duality of things in nature coerces Humanity in the inability to distinguish true and false; together with the aid of Time, the sole manipulation of the isolation of the universe to be trapped from beyond the boundary: thence the fixation of all things before and after the creation which with the use of word "limit" suggests the connotative stage of definition transcending the grasp of language. Humanity is then, as of individuals or communities subjugated to judgments based on the reference of transitive qualities of Time; place over Time, thoughts over Time. The effects of the erroneous acts of Humanity has yet to come fully, and it will continue to affirm its roots as habit in Humanity whom is fallible. The constant value in mathematical term was to be observed and held dearly, but it has been in obsolete for eon, in denial by Humanity. Apparently, Humanity is attracted to the impermanent attributes of the world just as how the young prefers performances by magicians.
Short excerpt of my thesis: Recognizing the Creator.
In Deus nos fides.
Seems like a good thesis, because frankly speaking I do not understand wat u r trying to say...
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I can't believe in God because God brings damnation.
Everyone has their own definition of what 'GOD' is so I see no need to be just like the guy next door which still makes us sort of believer in a way.Part-time or full-time we are all beievers in hope and the word hope is part of the word 'GOD' (for me that is)
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Everyone has their own definition of what 'GOD' is so I see no need to be just like the guy next door which still makes us sort of believer in a way.Part-time or full-time we are all beievers in hope and the word hope is part of the word 'GOD' (for me that is)
I do not believe in hope but in duty.