Bruce Lee's skills overrated
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Fights
In the tournament consisted of twelve schools the three time champion British boxer Gary Elms was defeated by Lee by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches. Hawkings Cheung, his fellow Wing Chun street fighter, witnessed the event[63][64][65]. Before facing Elms in the finals, Lee defeated Shen Yuen, Lieh Lo, and Yang Huang, all by way of knock out in the first round[66].
In Oakland California in 1964 at China Town the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to Bruce's dojo to stop teaching non-chinese[67]. Refusing to be told what to do or to discriminate who is allowed to learn Lee had been challenged to a combat match with their top fighter Wong Jack Man [68]. The formidable Wong Jack Man had mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai Chi Chuan while being a direct student of Grand Master Ma Kin Fung[69]. The arrangement was that if Bruce lost he would have to shut down his school, if he won then Bruce would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else[70]. Wong stated that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theater[71]. However, contrary to this claimed motive is the signed formal letter manifested by Dan Chan with signatures by the martial art community, including Chan and Wong, as a petitioned document by the community does not correspond to the motive of responding to an open challenge. "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me"[72] --Bruce Lee. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20-25 minutes[73]. Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai Chi Chuan. According to Bruce, Linda, and James Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up."[74] --Linda Lee Cadwell. Reportedly, Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch[75]. Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians.Lee knocked out Uechi,a Japanese black belt, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle[76]. It was refereed by Jesse Glover[77]. The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court[78]. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Harts statement[79]. Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds--I know because I was the time keeper---and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him[80]." The fight ended by Bruce knocking Uechi the length of the gymnasium[81].
Lee knocked-out Pu Chung, a Choy Li Fut fighter, in the roof tops of Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Sheun-Leung Wong[82][83][84].
In a bout Lee had against a Taekwon do practitioner, martial artist Steve Golden a Kenpo black belt for seven years at the time states "It was frightening to see how easy it was for Bruce. The Tae Kwon Do black belt mentioned that he knew Bruce had good hands, so Bruce said he would only use his feet. They went pretty hard, and the guy really tried to kick Bruce. Every time the guy kicked, Bruce got just barely out of range, and just as the guy’s foot came down, Bruce held his kick up to the guy’s face—a roundhouse kick right up to the guy’s nose or a side kick up to the guy’s temple. This guy was putting everything he had into getting Bruce, and Bruce was barely putting out any effort. If it was for real, it would have lasted until the first kick[85]." --Steve Golden
Richard Bustillo is certified as a law enforcement defensive tactics instructor and certified with the Olympic Training Center as a coach and official with USA Boxing, and a Kru in Muay Thai[86]. Bustillo, who is professed in Judo, Boxing, Wrestling, Karate, and his native Hawaiian Kajukenpo systems, is an inductee into the ‘World Martial Arts Hall of Fame’ and had eventually became a student of Lees and describes the following incident while Lee was present at a training session at I.M.B academy, Torrance, California[87]- “While a few of us were training, a guy asked Bruce if he actually thought he could stop his attack if he were to charge at Bruce with his knife. Well, Bruce told this guy to come at him with the blade, so the guy did. It was so fast when Bruce kicked the knife right out of the guys hand, before he could take more than two steps, that we were all left amazed by it…but, perhaps not as much as the guy who no longer held that knife.”[88]Lees veteran experiences in real combat dates back long before movies or the U.S. during his initial training as a youth from the numerous gang street fights he was involved with as a member of the Tigers of Junction Street. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocked the fellow out, broke his tooth, broke his arm. The police were involved." [89][90] --John Little. The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop on 1959 April 29, Wednesday 10pm
1960 Seattle, Lee had back-fisted and busted a mans nose after Lee saw him harassing a Chinese Girl. Lee was taking a walk. This fight was witnessed by JamesDeMile[91].
James W. DeMile was the "Duke" of the Capitol Hill gang in Seattle and an undefeated heavyweight boxer in the Air Force.[92] DeMile states "I wouldn't have put a dime on anyone to beat Bruce Lee in a real confrontation. Bruce Lee was the best street fighter I ever saw, even to this very day, and not just pound for pound — but against anyone in a real fight[93]." --James DeMile
Dan Inosanto stated, "there's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division[94]."
"In a dictionary, you say 'greatest', you say 'Bruce Lee', that´s the way it is. He is second to no one."[95] --Sugar Ray Leonard
Better than 90 percent of the martial artist author Steven Barnes interviewed believe that Bruce Lee was the best fighter they have ever seen.[96]
When I was having dinner with Chuck [Norris] I did ask him: "If you and Bruce would be in a real fight to death, who would win?", and he said without thinking: "Bruce of course. Nobody can beat him".[97]Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing on the backyard to incite battle against Lee in combat. Lee had finished the challenger violently with a kick from feeling infuriated upon the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states "One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?'. And Bruce was poppin mad. He[Bruce] says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me'. He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life."[98]
Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter." Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.[99]Frankly speaking after reading his fights I think his skills is over rated. It seems that he is only capable of defeating americans and japanese martial arts experts.
He did not challenge any chinese martial arts experts.
If he is really so good, why didn't he challenge his master who teach him wing chun and defeat his master? I am sure he is not capable enough of doing that.
If he is really so good he should also go to shaolin temple which have all the kung fu experts staying there and challenge them 1 by 1 and defeat them all than he will really be considered as a kung fu expert
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U see him do the Ping Pong with his numchaks or not. Is that how u spell numchaks... lol
That some skillz brudda
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I not interested to know what he do. I am not impressed with his stunts like doing 2 finger push up etc.
Why didn't he challenge his teacher Yip Man? Since his jeet kune do is a modification of wing chun and he claims that it removes all the unecessary steps, than it should be better than wing chun and he should be able to defeat his teacher.
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Maybe he defeated his teacher in a private mano a mano battle. U know how Yip Man likes privacy.
;p
His secrets died with him n Bruce Lee.
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Doubt so. Even if bruce did not tell anybody else he should at least have told his wife.
After his death we did not hear his wife saying anything about it.
Anyway if I am Bruce Lee and I really think that I am so powerful I will go to shaolin temple there and defeat all the monks than I will really be famous
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Leave the dead man alone tbh.
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Originally posted by fireng:
Doubt so. Even if bruce did not tell anybody else he should at least have told his wife.
After his death we did not hear his wife saying anything about it.
Anyway if I am Bruce Lee and I really think that I am so powerful I will go to shaolin temple there and defeat all the monks than I will really be famous
good... finally u said it... plz refer to my quote in red...Wat if bruce didn't want to be famous?
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maybe he wanted to sustain the reputation of chinese kung fu?
he only want to show that chinese kung fu is the best by defeating the other styles.. -
Originally posted by fireng:
Doubt so. Even if bruce did not tell anybody else he should at least have told his wife.
After his death we did not hear his wife saying anything about it.
Anyway if I am Bruce Lee and I really think that I am so powerful I will go to shaolin temple there and defeat all the monks than I will really be famous
Thats why u will never be Bruce Lee friend.
lol
What u THINK u will do doesnt necessary mean the person will do what u think.
To u maybe is fame.. but to Bruce Lee , to honour the secret, his repect to his teacher and the respect to martial arts as a whole, he carries it to his grave.
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To the TS question, "He did not challenge any chinese martial arts experts."
Did u read the whole article & comprehend it properly? It was clearly mentioned that he had few fights with chinese martial expert.
1. Before facing Elms in the finals, Lee defeated Shen Yuen, Lieh Lo, and Yang Huang, all by way of knock out in the first round[66].
2. In Oakland California in 1964 at China Town the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to Bruce's dojo to stop teaching non-chinese[67]. Refusing to be told what to do or to discriminate who is allowed to learn Lee had been challenged to a combat match with their top fighter Wong Jack Man [68]. The formidable Wong Jack Man had mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai Chi Chuan while being a direct student of Grand Master Ma Kin Fung[69]. The arrangement was that if Bruce lost he would have to shut down his school, if he won then Bruce would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else[70]. Wong stated that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theater[71]. However, contrary to this claimed motive is the signed formal letter manifested by Dan Chan with signatures by the martial art community, including Chan and Wong, as a petitioned document by the community does not correspond to the motive of responding to an open challenge. "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me"[72] --Bruce Lee. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20-25 minutes[73]. Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai Chi Chuan. According to Bruce, Linda, and James Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up."[74] --Linda Lee Cadwell. Reportedly, Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch[75]. Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians.
3. Lee knocked-out Pu Chung, a Choy Li Fut fighter, in the roof tops of Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Sheun-Leung Wong[82][83][84].
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Originally posted by ItchyArmpit:
maybe he wanted to sustain the reputation of chinese kung fu?
he only want to show that chinese kung fu is the best by defeating the other styles..Even than he also did not defeat all the other styles..he didn't defeat thai boxing etc..
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Originally posted by fireng:
Doubt so. Even if bruce did not tell anybody else he should at least have told his wife.
After his death we did not hear his wife saying anything about it.
Anyway if I am Bruce Lee and I really think that I am so powerful I will go to shaolin temple there and defeat all the monks than I will really be famous
that is if you were Bruce Lee but you're not.
just like Bruce Lee won't do all this if he's you.
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Originally posted by fireng:
Even than he also did not defeat all the other styles..he didn't defeat thai boxing etc..
So ... What if he does?
FFS, the guy is dead.. So is his son.
Tell me wat can be done even tho u prove your point?
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Originally posted by wanker10:
To the TS question, "He did not challenge any chinese martial arts experts."
Did u read the whole article & comprehend it properly? It was clearly mentioned that he had few fights with chinese martial expert.
1. Before facing Elms in the finals, Lee defeated Shen Yuen, Lieh Lo, and Yang Huang, all by way of knock out in the first round[66].
2. In Oakland California in 1964 at China Town the Chinese community issued an ultimatum to Bruce's dojo to stop teaching non-chinese[67]. Refusing to be told what to do or to discriminate who is allowed to learn Lee had been challenged to a combat match with their top fighter Wong Jack Man [68]. The formidable Wong Jack Man had mastery of Xingyiquan, Northern Shaolin, and Tai Chi Chuan while being a direct student of Grand Master Ma Kin Fung[69]. The arrangement was that if Bruce lost he would have to shut down his school, if he won then Bruce would be free to teach Caucasians or anyone else[70]. Wong stated that he requested to fight Lee after Lee issued an open challenge during one of Lee's demonstrations at a Chinatown theater[71]. However, contrary to this claimed motive is the signed formal letter manifested by Dan Chan with signatures by the martial art community, including Chan and Wong, as a petitioned document by the community does not correspond to the motive of responding to an open challenge. "That paper had all the names of the sifu from Chinatown, but they don't scare me"[72] --Bruce Lee. Wong and witness William Chen stated that the fight lasted an unusually long 20-25 minutes[73]. Individuals known to have witnessed the match included Cadwell, James Lee (Bruce Lee's associate, no relation) and William Chen, a teacher of Tai Chi Chuan. According to Bruce, Linda, and James Lee, the fight lasted 3 minutes with a decisive victory for Bruce. "The fight ensued, it was a no holds barred fight, it took three minutes. Bruce got this guy down to the ground and said 'do you give up?' and the man said he gave up."[74] --Linda Lee Cadwell. Reportedly, Wong Jack Man published his own account of the battle in the Chinese Pacific Weekly, a Chinese-language newspaper in San Francisco, which contained another challenge to Lee for a public rematch[75]. Lee had no reciprocation to Wong's article nor were there any further public announcements by either, but Lee had continued to teach Caucasians.
3. Lee knocked-out Pu Chung, a Choy Li Fut fighter, in the roof tops of Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Sheun-Leung Wong[82][83][84].
I read this. This is only a few only not alot to prove that his skills is really so gd..
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Originally posted by BadzMaro:
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where Xena?
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He was the best at that time and as the legend grows it natural for people to think that he is overated.I tell you what is overated, 'The Rolling Stones'>LOL
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
So ... What if he does?
FFS, the guy is dead.. So is his son.
Tell me wat can be done even tho u prove your point?
My point is that I replied back to itchyarmpit that its unlikely he only wanted to defeat all other styles to prove that chinese kung fu is the best
So tell me what are you trying to prove? Because he is dead already so we can't discuss about him?
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Originally posted by fireng:
My point is that I replied back to itchyarmpit that its unlikely he only wanted to defeat all other styles to prove that chinese kung fu is the best
So tell me what are you trying to prove? Because he is dead already so we can't discuss about him?
More like u are not discussing more like diss-ing.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
More like u are not discussing more like diss-ing.
whatever. everybody here is discussing except you
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Originally posted by fireng:
whatever. everybody here is discussing except you
Sif i need to discuss.
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Just some personal comments: Shaolin temple is known to be the best in martial arts in the world.
Many other martial arts like takewando etc evolved from china martial arts
You can only be considered a real martial art expert if you go there and defeat everybody in a duel.
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How come Shaolin monks dun go to K1 or MMA to show them how its really done ?
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You never watch tv?
Shaolin monks got display their skills in the world stage and it is recorded and broadcast to the world to see. But I think its only in recent years than shaolin monks started displaying their skills to the world.
I wonder what will happen when bruce lee fist punch a shaolin monk iron head skills.
Wonder is it the shaolin monk head or bruce lee hands that will break?
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So how Bruce Lee gonna approach the abbot then to request for a duel?
Pretty sure the monks practise the kung-fu to keep themself healthy and fit as a form of excerise.
They dun go ard the world to defeat every style of fighting.