Bruce Lee's skills overrated
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Originally posted by keeptouch:
Bruce Lee never fought any grandmaster from china. That Wong Jack Man taht he defeat was not even a grandmaster.If he can defeat a few grandmaster from china I will be more impressed with his skills
How u know he never fight. The same can be said that, maybe he repect the old and the weak, dun want to pound those old grandmasters. Or if he did, he duel them to a private arena. Dun wanna shame them.
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One of the best martial arts.
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I found this thread on a search engine and want to reply because there is so much rumor and misinformation posted in this thread about Bruce. I have trained with one of Bruce's very first students for over 15 years and I have met with several other of his later students and also had the pleasure of meeting Linda.
To everyone saying Bruce's skill was overrated, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To make such a statement not only shows your true ignorance, it is insulting to Bruce and the millions of martial artists influenced by him. Bruce was able to shut down anyone he fought, before they could even get a hit off. Those of you keyboard warriors (not everyone reading this, obviously, just the ones who think they could have had a chance at beating Bruce in the street) would have been humiliated had you faced Bruce in a fight. Humiliated physicall, psychologically, spritually. You would either have thrown yourself at his feet and begged for training, or you would have never wanted to fight another human again in all your days on earth.
Joe Lewis said Bruce was the fastest man ever to stand before him. Hawkins Cheung said that if this were the old west, Bruce would have been the fastest gunfighter.
I don't have all day to address everything wrong in this thread but I will just cover the issue of whether Bruce was a "paper tiger" or if he really could fight (since most of the ignorance stems from the view that Bruce was only an actor and couldn't fight). Here are some quotes from those who actually knew and hung out with Bruce, not some idiot trolling message boards posting whatever they can pull out of their ass and passing it off as fact. Also quotes from those influenced by Bruce.
Bruce's fight history
Fight History by Date
1958:
- In the tournament consisted of twelve schools the three time champion British boxer Gary Elms was defeated by Lee by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches. Hawkings Cheung, his fellow Wing Chun street fighter, witnessed the event.
←Before facing Elms in the finals, Lee defeated Shen Yuen, Lieh Lo, and Yang Huang, all by way of knock out in the first round[4].
- Lee knocked-out Pu Chung, a Choy Li Fut fighter, in the roof tops of Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Sheun-Leung Wong
1959:
During Lee's initial training as a youth, he was as a member of the "Tigers of Junction Street," and was involved in numerous gang-related street fights. "In one of his last encounters, while removing his jacket the fellow he was squaring off against sucker punched him and blackened his eye. Bruce flew into a rage and went after him, knocked the fellow out, broke his tooth, broke his arm. The police were involved." The incident took place on a Hong Kong rooftop at 10 P.M. on Wednesday, April 29, 1959
1960:
In Seattle, Lee back-fisted and busted a man's nose after Lee saw him harassing a Chinese Girl. Lee was taking a walk. This fight was witnessed by James DeMile in 1960.
1962:
Lee knocked out Uechi,a Japanese black belt, in 11 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover The incident took place in Seattle at a YMCA handball court. Taki Kamura says the battle lasted 10 seconds in contrary to Harts statement.
Ed Hart states "The karate man arrived in his gi (uniform), complete with black belt, while Bruce showed up in his street clothes and simply took off his shoes. The fight lasted exactly 11 seconds--I know because I was the time keeper—and Bruce had hit the guy something like 15 times and kicked him once. I thought he'd killed him."
The fight ended by Bruce knocking Uechi the length of the gymnasium.
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Steve Golden, one of Ed Parker's black belts in kenpo, witnessed Bruce face a challenge from a TKD black belt.
"It was frightening to see how easy it was for Bruce. The Tae Kwon Do black belt mentioned that he knew Bruce had good hands, so Bruce said he would only use his feet. They went pretty hard, and the guy really tried to kick Bruce. Every time the guy kicked, Bruce got just barely out of range, and just as the guy’s foot came down, Bruce held his kick up to the guy’s face—a roundhouse kick right up to the guy’s nose or a side kick up to the guy’s temple. This guy was putting everything he had into getting Bruce, and Bruce was barely putting out any effort. If it was for real, it would have lasted until the first kick."
World Martial Arts Hall Of Fame member Richard Bustillo, former student and friend of Bruce, witnessed a man attempt to attack Bruce with a knife.
“While a few of us were training, a guy asked Bruce if he actually thought he could stop his attack if he were to charge at Bruce with his knife. Well, Bruce told this guy to come at him with the blade, so the guy did. It was so fast when Bruce kicked the knife right out of the guys hand, before he could take more than two steps, that we were all left amazed by it…but, perhaps not as much as the guy who no longer held that knife.”
Herb Jackson, friend and stunt of Bruce, describes what happened when a man trespassed into Bruce's home backyard and tried to challenge him.
Lee's eventual celebrity put him in the path of a number of men who sought to make a name for themselves by causing a confrontation with Lee. A challenger had invaded Lee's private home in Hong Kong by trespassing into the backyard to incite Lee in combat. Lee finished the challenger violently with a kick, infuriated over the home invasion. Describing the incident, Herb Jackson states,
"One time one fellow got over that wall, got into his yard and challenged him and he says 'how good are you?' And Bruce was poppin mad. He [Bruce] says 'he gets the idea, this guy, to come and invade my home, my own private home, invade it and challenge me.' He said he got so mad that he gave the hardest kick he ever gave anyone in his life."
Bob Wall (Ohara from Enter The Dragon) describes what happened when a movie extra tried to challenge Bruce.
- Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter." Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.[31]
"This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart.[32] Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ass with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly." — Bob Wall
- James W. DeMile states, "I wouldn't have put a dime on anyone to beat Bruce Lee in a real confrontation. Bruce Lee was the best street fighter I ever saw, even to this very day, and not just pound for pound — but against anyone in a real fight."[34]
→←James W. DeMile was the "Duke" of the Capitol Hill gang in Seattle and an undefeated heavyweight boxer in the Air Force.
Ed Parker Jr.: "I remember many times my father (Ed Parker) talking about, pound for pound, Bruce Lee was the best martial artist, he´d ever seen
Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division."
"In a dictionary, you say 'greatest', you say 'Bruce Lee', that´s the way it is. He is second to no one." — Sugar Ray Leonard
Over 90% martial artists interviewed by author Steven Barnes said that Bruce was the best martial artist they had ever seen.
- John T. Benn stated, "When I was having dinner with Chuck [Norris] I did ask him: 'If you and Bruce would be in a real fight to death, who would win?' and he said without thinking: "Bruce of course. Nobody can beat him."
"Bruce Lee is my idol. I try to learn some techniques from him, especially the quickness of his hands and legs." — Manny Pacquiao
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_history_of_Bruce_Lee
Who were your first influences in the Martial arts?
Frank Shamrock : Bruce Lee & Chuck Norris. Bruce Lee’s philosophies of taking what works adapting it, also staying at the forefront of knowledge has had a tremendous impact on me.
http://sfuk.tripod.com/interviews_02/frank_shamrock.html
Please, let the man rest in peace and all of us enjoy the great contribution he made to the world. There will never be another like him in a thousand years. If you enjoy him as an actor, then enjoy his movies. If you want to train like him, do your best and it will make you a better person and a better warrior in life. If you don't like Bruce, that is fine but do not ever think, in a million years, that you could have beaten him. Instead of trying to put down a legend, which you will never be able to do, why not put your energy into trying to improve the world or at least contribute something positive to others.
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To beefaloid: Why you come and post so many craps. All these we have already read it on the internet before already.
What TS mention is that since he claims jeet kund do is better than wing chun, why don't he fight his teacher Yip Man and defeat him to prove his claims.
Are you blind and don't know how to read?
Why don't you go to do something to benefit the world instead of coming here to spam the forum?
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Just a random reply, Shaolin Monastery was founded by an Indian... ^^
And the very roots of Shaolin Kung Fu are from the manuscripts written by this Indian monk...
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
Just a random reply, Shaolin Monastery was founded by an Indian... ^^
And the very roots of Shaolin Kung Fu are from the manuscripts written by this Indian monk...
something for a change
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Hyuuga Neji also can fight!
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neji is too cool to bump up this thread
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this is soooooo funny.... i can't believe that someone keeps saying that Bruce Lee should use his hands and knock the monk's head, hahahahaha, dumbass!! after that wants Bruce to fight Wong F H, hahahaha... why dun you say ask him to fight Yang Guo the Condor Hero? hahahaha
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within an inch his punch ish the so powerful....