Originally posted by esuopsgnowk:parents should really teach their kids manners...if not the future will be even worse...
As I said before, parents cant teach what they dont know.
You need a whole lot of Westerners to come to Singapore.
I know some person is then going to give an example of how racist they are, but Singasporean Chinese are plenty racist already towards Indians, Malays, Filipinos etc, so dont bother saying it.
But no one can deny that Westerners generally have much better manners in public. Again in case someone says they arent, please give 10 examples where Singaporeans are better mannered than Westerners in general. I think you wont be able to find 5, let alone 10.
Originally posted by OneWithTheForce:
As I said before, parents cant teach what they dont know.
You need a whole lot of Westerners to come to Singapore.
I know some person is then going to give an example of how racist they are, but Singasporean Chinese are plenty racist already towards Indians, Malays, Filipinos etc, so dont bother saying it.
But no one can deny that Westerners generally have much better manners in public. Again in case someone says they arent, please give 10 examples where Singaporeans are better mannered than Westerners in general. I think you wont be able to find 5, let alone 10.
Originally posted by ChingAlvin:Com'on, you looking at the world real narrowly. All countries have their black sheeps, but i would say singapore has better mannerism generally. I've got a really close friend getting beaten up for nothing, in Australia. Apparantly because he is a chinese. How about malaysians spitting right in front of your foot while u walk, and gives you a non chalant attitute after that? How about getting "shooed" out of a shop in HK just because i cant speak cantonese well, or coz i'm a tourist? I've many pleasant and unpleasant experiences from both local and overseas and i'd say, local mannerisms are not that bad
As I said before, this isnt about racism (plenty of that iin Singapore and other countries) and you havent mentioned any behaviour of Singaporeans which is better than Westerners.
I'm going to list a few and let's see how Singaporeans match up.
1. Opening doors for people behind you:
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No
2. Saying thank you to the person keeping the door open for you:
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- rarely/No
3. You queue in a long line and a new counter opens. Do you let the person in front of you go first to the new counter because they have been waiting longer?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No/No.
4. Picking your nose, ears and feet in public:
Aust/US: No/No.
SG/China- Yes but less often now/ Yes
5. Staring at others with a black face in public:
Aust/US- Rarely
SG/China: Yes/Yes
6. You have a large trolley full of groceries and are next in line at the pay counter, when someone lines up behind you and you see they only have a few items. Do you offer to let them go ahead of you out of courtesy?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No/No.
7. You see a stranger with a bag of groceries suddenly drop it and items fall out everywhere. Do you help them pick them back up?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- Maybe/No.
8. You see a queue to whatever it is you want to get to eg taxi. Do you jump queue and walk to the front?
Aust/US- No
SG/China- No/Yes
9. You're driving trying to merge and the car in the main lane lets you in. Do you wave thank you to the car that let you in?
Aust/US- Very often.
SG/China- Very rarely/No.
10. If the cars' positions were reversed, would you have even let the car merge in in front of you in the first place?
Aust/US- Very often.
SG/China- Sometimes/No.
As you can see, Western countries are miles ahead in public common courtesy, and Singapore is only just ahead of China.
Basically it's because Singapore's Chinese are descended from Mainland Chinese, so the behaviour is basically the same. Singapore has only been wealthy for 25 years, so the number of educated and more polite people hasnt reached sufficient number to influence the older Singaporeans.
depends on the education of the parents. if the parents are lowly or not educated, they will just bring up their kids the way they were being brought up. its a vicious cycle really.
Originally posted by Rooney9:depends on the education of the parents. if the parents are lowly or not educated, they will just bring up their kids the way they were being brought up. its a vicious cycle really.
Many so called educated parents in Singapore posses behaviour far from the Western norm.
Really need a huge influx of Westerners to make manners a common every day event.
Or taser everyone who dont display manners :)
We've already been influenced by lots of western culture.I don't see it as having a positive effect on us.Our kids are getting quite rowdy because of that.
Education standard makes no difference either.
My son just finished his O's and has been working as a part time staff for several hotels.After two weeks,he tells me.....The foreigners belittle you,the rich locals sue you,the workers complain and the educated locals are all of the above.LOL
lol !!
Originally posted by OneWithTheForce:You cannot teach what you do not know.
Singaporeans are decended from the Chinese peasants, and they have rather poor ettiquette, to say the least.
Hence they pass down their own ways- spitting, black face, selfishness, stinginess, lack of manners.
This can only be overcome by a huge influx of people who have good manners. Otherwise putting posters of the side of buses is useless since one of the things Singaporeans, especially the olderones, do, is ignore that sort of tripe. Besides, what's the point of telling people to behave better, without some incentive, instruction, or fear of punishment?
I hate to agree with you, but this statement seem to make a whole lot of sense after reading it.
I think the overall conclusion is: It's not easy to educate people on courtesy and etique if it is not started from young.
Merry xmas!
Originally posted by kcockicht:Merry xmas!
hey same to you
Originally posted by angel7030:Me too, i hate all these old cuckoo blocking my way while i do my shopping, all like zombie like this...
You cannot say that (old cuckoo blocking my way...), by saying excuse me....I am sure pple will give way to you.
Pple do shopping and they too need to stand and browse thru the products. I too ever block pple but I just move to one side to let them move on.
For that mother, she should at least apologise to the old man.
Give and that.
Originally posted by kcockicht:
hey same to you
i feel sg ppl XXX XXX XXXX no maners XXX X XX
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you agree?
Originally posted by kcockicht:
i feel sg ppl XXX XXX XXXX no maners XXX X XXXX X X X X X
you agree?
couldn't agree less
Foreigners too.
As I am working as a fly distributer, I have encountered the things that:
Either some of the owners scolded me to do so or just simply throw it away outside the corridor and just throw outside the window without anybody sees them. What is the purpose of having rubbish bin at home? Seem that they dunno that. If this goes on, the environment around our area won't be clean anymore and they are inconsiderate against other neighbour?
Well, they (mostly) are on 50+ and 60+ who have their own children. What if their children see them do this? Follow them, or ask them not to do so.
At the end, I have to take the 'dismantled' papers to distribute to the next unit so as not to waste them.
So, what is the purpose of having the 'litter-free' campaign frequently? For them, it is a 'bull-shit' and they cannot get the campaign inside their mind.
Originally posted by TIB657M:As I am working as a fly distributer, I have encountered the things that:
Either some of the owners scolded me to do so or just simply throw it away outside the corridor and just throw outside the window without anybody sees them. What is the purpose of having rubbish bin at home? Seem that they dunno that. If this goes on, the environment around our area won't be clean anymore and they are inconsiderate against other neighbour?
Well, they (mostly) are on 50+ and 60+ who have their own children. What if their children see them do this? Follow them, or ask them not to do so.
At the end, I have to take the 'dismantled' papers to distribute to the next unit so as not to waste them.
So, what is the purpose of having the 'litter-free' campaign frequently? For them, it is a 'bull-shit' and they cannot get the campaign inside their mind.
Oh my dear...tough job and especially see flyers throw anyhow. Cheer up!
Originally posted by likeyou:
Oh my dear...tough job and especially see flyers throw anyhow. Cheer up!
Never ah... As long as I help the gas company to increase the orders for owners by distributing the discount voucher to them so as to let them know. I won't find it tough though. But I am sad on what some of the owners did on 'my' papers. Furthermore, even if they don't want the paper after that, they should have just thrown it at their own rubbish bin, instead of just polluting the earth.
The reasons why they throw anyhow is either lazy to see the contents or they do not order it the in the first place as they had order from the other company. In average, I have to encounter 5 to 7 of these units which just simply don't know the awareness of 'litter-free' campaign.
So, if you want to work smoothly, you have to see other people's faces regardless of what occupation you are in. You have to deal them personally instead of just complaining in order to save your job.
For my job, as long as the owners order the gas, my job has done.
In the past, if people do wrong things, they will be caned by your parents without any hesitation. After that, they won't dare to repeat the same mistakes again.
Now, if they do wrong things, their parents would tell you nicely not to repeat the same mistakes again instead of just scolding harshly.
Thus, this will give the oppournties for them to repeat the same mistakes again. So, treating them harshly can know the seriousness of making the mistakes. You can hate your parents for now for what they have done to you. But after you grow up, you find out that their learning points to you is correct.
Did their parents sad after beating them up? A big yes, obviously. As if they fail to do so, their children will make the same mistakes again and again.
if model pretty nice with makeup or without i also give 100points
if model not nice attitude bad makeup nice nice i also (not fail) don't even want to evaluate give points
so not matter what you do your goals will never be accomplished.
Make sure you are in right position to beat your young kids. If you don't show care on them, they will not respect you at all.
Four easy questions:
1) Did you bath your kids personally?
2) Did you feed your kids personally?
3) Did you play with your kids personally?
4) Did you make your kids sleep at night personally?
If all answers are yes, you are in a right position to beat your young kid if they misbehave. They are more likely to listen to you after beating them. Make sure you explain to them what they did wrong after cooling down.
If all answer are no, I don't think they will even bother you. And high chances of repeating the mistakes again.
I am a parent myself and it works for me.
You nt happy STOMP lor.
Not just kids that is without manners, even adults. TS, don't forget u r a kid once.
Originally posted by fearless1311:Recently,i was shopping with my wife and son.At the supermarket,I witnessed a very distubing scene.
A little boy,no more than 4 or 5 yrs, ran headlong into an elderly man.As i waited for a response,I got the biggest shock of my life! The boy looked at the man and said"Watch where you are going!" The boy's mother,who was standing nearby,simply smiled proudly at her son. The look on the elderly man's face was priceless.He was obviously disgusted with outcome but he just walked away.Sadly, those who did not witness the full event gave the poor man such evil glares.
That incident left me with a bad taste in my mouth and ruined my mood for the rest of the evening.Thankfully,my son of 16 yrs was equally disturbed by the event and that gave me hope.
My thoughts conclude that if we are not going to be careful about bring up future generations with proper mannerisms,this country is going to have to deal the additional problems that it will bring soon..........."sigh"
Hi, I can relate to your feelings too.
Often I was also involved in such similar situations (as that elderly man) whereby I'm not at fault but the person thinks it's my fault.
Sometimes, I wonder what happened to the logic and common sense of the majority crowd.... are they unable to see that they're the one at fault (instead of behaving in such rude manner)?
Originally posted by ThreeCents:Make sure you are in right position to beat your young kids. If you don't show care on them, they will not respect you at all.
Four easy questions:
1) Did you bath your kids personally?
2) Did you feed your kids personally?
3) Did you play with your kids personally?
4) Did you make your kids sleep at night personally?
If all answers are yes, you are in a right position to beat your young kid if they misbehave. They are more likely to listen to you after beating them. Make sure you explain to them what they did wrong after cooling down.
If all answer are no, I don't think they will even bother you. And high chances of repeating the mistakes again.
I am a parent myself and it works for me.
I quite agreed with what u said.. some kids r really like that.. u never show care for them, they will not listen to u.. in worse cases, they will not respect u..
Originally posted by OneWithTheForce:As I said before, this isnt about racism (plenty of that iin Singapore and other countries) and you havent mentioned any behaviour of Singaporeans which is better than Westerners.
I'm going to list a few and let's see how Singaporeans match up.
1. Opening doors for people behind you:
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No
2. Saying thank you to the person keeping the door open for you:
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- rarely/No
3. You queue in a long line and a new counter opens. Do you let the person in front of you go first to the new counter because they have been waiting longer?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No/No.
4. Picking your nose, ears and feet in public:
Aust/US: No/No.
SG/China- Yes but less often now/ Yes
5. Staring at others with a black face in public:
Aust/US- Rarely
SG/China: Yes/Yes
6. You have a large trolley full of groceries and are next in line at the pay counter, when someone lines up behind you and you see they only have a few items. Do you offer to let them go ahead of you out of courtesy?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- No/No.
7. You see a stranger with a bag of groceries suddenly drop it and items fall out everywhere. Do you help them pick them back up?
Aust/US- Yes
SG/China- Maybe/No.
8. You see a queue to whatever it is you want to get to eg taxi. Do you jump queue and walk to the front?
Aust/US- No
SG/China- No/Yes
9. You're driving trying to merge and the car in the main lane lets you in. Do you wave thank you to the car that let you in?
Aust/US- Very often.
SG/China- Very rarely/No.
10. If the cars' positions were reversed, would you have even let the car merge in in front of you in the first place?
Aust/US- Very often.
SG/China- Sometimes/No.
As you can see, Western countries are miles ahead in public common courtesy, and Singapore is only just ahead of China.
Basically it's because Singapore's Chinese are descended from Mainland Chinese, so the behaviour is basically the same. Singapore has only been wealthy for 25 years, so the number of educated and more polite people hasnt reached sufficient number to influence the older Singaporeans.
Such acts of simple courtesy is rarely observed in full view especially when in public - I'm still sticking to the fact that Singaporeans are just too shy to make a difference. It would be weird to stand out in a crowd, for good reasons even, in our society.
Courtesy and appropriate mannerism is something that has to be taught from a young age, and by observing the kids that run about in the playground screaming "retard retard", it really makes me wonder how far parents have succeeded.
Teenagers as well. Pop over to the STOMP section, and the current situation will automatically reveal itself.
Singapore's economic growth has greatly overshot social growth, and the difference has yet to be bridged. Perhaps that is why the discrepancies of mannerism appear when you compare mannerisms of Asians and Westerners.