Is Ming Dynasty Muslim>?
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Hi guys, I've come across an article about Ming dynasty being Muslim and liked your opinions about this>
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The points was make by a Taiwanese chinese muslim who cited the wife of Zhu Yuanzhan who's a muslim and his close association with Muslims like Cheng Ho and the rest.
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I don't think Zhu Yuan Zhang was a muslim, although Zheng He was a muslim.
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Article neglected to mention that the Ming emperors did eat pork and the imperial kitchen did cook pork for its royalty. However, many senior officials are muslims and thus have seperate food and drink served during imperial banquets.
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He got a lot of help from chinese Muslim generals during the uprising and overthrowing of the mongols .Hence it's not improper to say that that Ming dynasty was founded with Muslims support
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Ming sect(jia) a secret society he belonged was a persian originated religion,
摩尼教
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Was Zhu Yuanzhang a Muslim?
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1. When Zhu Yuanzhang was young, his family perished in a famine and he buried them by wrapping them in white clothes. Wrapping the dead in white clothes is a Muslim custom.
Never heard of this, but ok.Quote
2. Zhu Yuanzhang's closest associates were Muslims. Thus, the Ming dynasty was founded by Muslims.
That's like people saying Barack Obama has some Muslim family members
(which he does) and has an Arabic name, therefore, he must be a Muslim!
Moving on.Quote
3. Zhu Yuanzhang passed a strict law forbidding 'wine'. Once he had the son of his close associate executed for breaking the law. 'Wine' is strictly forbidden in Islam.
If Zhu Yuanzhang was a Muslim, it would have been painfully obvious in
court records. For example, where are the records stating that he made
periodic prayers towards Mecca during each day of his rule? Or that he
was a proponent of Sharia Law in the Ming law code? Aside from the weak
argument about wine which sounds coincidental.Quote
4. Empress Ma (Zhu's consort) was a Muslim. She had personally cook all the meals for Zhu, even after he had become the Emperor.
I've never read any scholar's work mentioning that she was a Muslim, and I've read a good amount of works on the Ming Dynasty.Quote
5. The royal colour of the Ming dynasty was green, the colour which symbolizes Islam.
The association of each dynasty with a color and Wu Xing 五行 phase has nothing to do with Islam, but has everything to do with Chinese cosmological theory. Once again, a phony argument.Quote
6. Zhu Yuanzhang ordered the building of a mosque in Nanjing soon after he ascended the throne and he personally wrote a poem praising Islam and Prophet Muhammad. This poem is seen by Muslims as the 'syahada' the testimony of Zhu's faith in Islam.
Praises and admittance of Islam were also made by Tang, Song, and Yuan emperors too; does that make them Muslim? Again, a phony argument that is used to fit someone's agenda.Quote
7. Many Muslims rose to high ranks during the Ming dynasty. One good example was Admiral Zheng He. Admiral Zheng He's fleet sailed to Mecca, Arabia and performed the 'haj'. Yusuf Chang claims that Zheng He was sent by the Ming emperor to perform the 'haj' on his behalf because the emperor was not able to do so as he wanted to keep his religion a secret among the non-Muslim masses. This practice is allowed in Islam.
You do realize that this occurred under the reign of Yongle, not Hongwu? Just to clear that up.Quote
8. The Ming dynasty established good ties with many Muslim countries. This is because the Ming dynasty is Muslim and the religion of the Ming royal family is Islam.
Are you kidding me? So did the Tang, Song, and Yuan before them. Again,
does this make the Tang, Song, and Yuan emperors somehow Muslim? These
arguments are so pathetic!Quote
9. The Islamic Calendar was made the official calendar during the Ming dynasty.
That is an absurd argument, considering how the Ming used Guo Shoujing's 13th century calendar (i.e. 授時曆), and by the early 17th century, reformed their calendar due to European influence of the Gregorian Calendar at the Ming court.
I think this thread should be closed, along with threads that say the outerspace aliens built the Egyptian pyramids or that Big Foot roams the American northwest or that a sea monster lurks in Loch Ness, Scotland.
Just a thought,
Erichttp://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/30276-was-zhu-yuanzhang-a-muslim/
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Anyway so what if Ming emperors are muslims, but coming back to keep this a royal family secret from the chinese masses is no simple feat too.
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Originally posted by Catknight:
Anyway so what if Ming emperors are muslims
They were not muslims. No historical record of them being muslims.
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Maybe a da vinci code style of chinese version in the pipeline...secret codes and hidden history?
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Originally posted by Catknight:
Maybe a da vinci code style of chinese version in the pipeline...secret codes and hidden history?
One thing I despise is conspiracy bullshit.
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Like to point out that chinese people are not really religous types, guess it's the culture live and let live and Zhong yong(moderation) way of living.So even if you belong to any religions , as a chinese one is probably low key and do not fuss much over it...just my thought
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Originally posted by Catknight:
Like to point out that chinese people are not really religous types, guess it's the culture live and let live and Zhong yong(moderation) way of living.So even if you belong to any religions , as a chinese one is probably low key and do not fuss much over it...just my thought
Chinese are more influenced by buddhist/Taoist/Confucianist tradition I think.