Sign on is good in SAF(depends on vocation)
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Signing on may not be cos of financial problem, but for the interest of the VOCATION U R signing for.If you think U R probably stuck with infantry life for the 2.5 years and yr salary is not going to be much as U would want to have, sign on a vocation U like...Easy as that.No much thought...
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Sign on for 10 years just to avoid getting stuck for 2.5 years? What theory is that?
It is only good to sign on IF YOU LOVE THE FORCES, not the vocation. Even though the vocation is extremely good, but you can't stand the regimental life in the forces, you still wouldn't be happy. There is no such thing as interest in military life, military life in nothing but just rules and rules and rules.
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never ever sign on!!
u dun wan to be stuck in a farked up organisation like the SAF for 10 or 20 yrs..
u MUST BE out of your mind if you are not signing on for the money...
because there is nuthing gd abt it!!
not being insulting but that is juz my extreme views on this...
i heard there is some special schemes which offers other lengths of bond..
but..it is best to spent as less time as possible in this organisation..
i already wasted abt a yr oredi...
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Seriously I can't think of any vocation that is good to sign on. A lot of people sign on some relaxing vocation just to escape tough army training. However most of them regretted. Spending 6 years or 10 years or even a lifetime of relaxing army life just to escape 2.5 years of tough training. Isn't it stupid?
As a regular in SAF, he had to follow posting order, so far I don't know any unit which allow you to stay throughout for 10 years or lifetime without being posted to other units. Even if there are units which allow you to stay there doing same thing over and over again for 10 years or even a lifetime, no matter how interested you are towards the vocation, spending 10 years doing the same thing over and over again. Can you still feel the interest after 2 years, 3 years or 5 years?
If it is so good to sign on, why so many people refuse to sign on? Why so many beautiful advertisement asking people to sign on and yet the respond is still so poor? -
I cannot stand a regimented life,so i kinda regret signing on in the SAF even though it's only 6 years and my vocation qiute relax 1,heehe
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Forgotten to add, not only those who have financial problem than sign on, those who think they cannot survive in the outside world should sign on also.
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I disagree. There are people who like regimental life. It puts order in their life. And trust me, they are not sadist or what. They are good-natured people who likes order in their life.Originally posted by Fearless:Sign on for 10 years just to avoid getting stuck for 2.5 years? What theory is that?
It is only good to sign on IF YOU LOVE THE FORCES, not the vocation. Even though the vocation is extremely good, but you can't stand the regimental life in the forces, you still wouldn't be happy. There is no such thing as interest in military life, military life in nothing but just rules and rules and rules.
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That is because of the stereotyped thoughts of most youngsters nowadays. NS has went through a lot of changes. For better or worse, I am not in the position to judge. It all boils down to personal interest.Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:Seriously I can't think of any vocation that is good to sign on. A lot of people sign on some relaxing vocation just to escape tough army training. However most of them regretted. Spending 6 years or 10 years or even a lifetime of relaxing army life just to escape 2.5 years of tough training. Isn't it stupid?
As a regular in SAF, he had to follow posting order, so far I don't know any unit which allow you to stay throughout for 10 years or lifetime without being posted to other units. Even if there are units which allow you to stay there doing same thing over and over again for 10 years or even a lifetime, no matter how interested you are towards the vocation, spending 10 years doing the same thing over and over again. Can you still feel the interest after 2 years, 3 years or 5 years?
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If you had read what I posted carefully, I mention it is only good to sign on IF YOU LOVE THE FORCES. So if you don't love the forces, what is the point of signing on?Originally posted by Larry:I disagree. There are people who like regimental life. It puts order in their life. And trust me, they are not sadist or what. They are good-natured people who likes order in their life.
I never mention that all people dislike forces and regimental lifes, neither did I said they are sadist. They like it is their business, they like to be tired down by regimental rules is also their business. So what are you trying to find fault in?
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You are more or less correct to say that. Facts are alway facts. You can't change the ways typical Singaporean think.Originally posted by Larry:That is because of the stereotyped thoughts of most youngsters nowadays. NS has went through a lot of changes. For better or worse, I am not in the position to judge. It all boils down to personal interest.
You seems to have a lot of comments on others opinion, however you yet to tell reply the thread. Why not tell us your opinion, is it wise to sign on? -
Slow And Farked-upOriginally posted by soap water:never ever sign on!!
u dun wan to be stuck in a farked up organisation like the SAF for 10 or 20 yrs..
u MUST BE out of your mind if you are not signing on for the money...
because there is nuthing gd abt it!!
CheeriosS
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I believe u have misunderstood my posting. It could be due to my bad expression of English.Originally posted by Fearless:If you had read what I posted carefully, I mention it is only good to sign on IF YOU LOVE THE FORCES. So if you don't love the forces, what is the point of signing on?
I never mention that all people dislike forces and regimental lifes, neither did I said they are sadist. They like it is their business, they like to be tired down by regimental rules is also their business. So what are you trying to find fault in?
And please don't put words in my mouth.
What I am trying to say that as long as u enjoy the job, signing on is ok. It doesn't matter it's the rules or liking of the forces. It's the thrill u get from the job. Think of it as a job. Yah?? -
That depends. I know of a few friends who are enjoying what they are doing in the Singapore Armed Forces, be it Army, Navy or Air Force. The pay is relatively well to what they can get in the private sector and I will not give figures here.Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:You are more or less correct to say that. Facts are alway facts. You can't change the ways typical Singaporean think.
You seems to have a lot of comments on others opinion, however you yet to tell reply the thread. Why not tell us your opinion, is it wise to sign on?
If a person is able to adapt to the type of life of a SAF personnel, then signing on is not a bad idea. All I can say is that SAF actually has benefits which the private sector is unable to supply. Also, the retirement scheme is quite attractive to some people. So signin can be an alternative.
The reason why I chose not to sign on is because I am a undergraduate. My experience in IT will send my career to another level if I choose to expand my expertise in the private sector. The SAF is unable to really provide with such an option.
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That depends. I know of a few friends who are enjoying what they are doing in the Singapore Armed Forces, be it Army, Navy or Air Force. The pay is relatively well to what they can get in the private sector and I will not give figures here.Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:You are more or less correct to say that. Facts are alway facts. You can't change the ways typical Singaporean think.
You seems to have a lot of comments on others opinion, however you yet to tell reply the thread. Why not tell us your opinion, is it wise to sign on?
If a person is able to adapt to the type of life of a SAF personnel, then signing on is not a bad idea. All I can say is that SAF actually has benefits which the private sector is unable to supply. Also, the retirement scheme is quite attractive to some people. So signin can be an alternative.
The reason why I chose not to sign on is because I am a undergraduate. My experience in IT will send my career to another level if I choose to expand my expertise in the private sector. The SAF is unable to really provide with such an option.
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I beg to differ. You only see some of your friends who loves the SAF. As for me, I seen so many people who regretted signing on. Much much more than those who enjoy it. The pay is well? I doubt so, I always believe if you are capable, you can earn much much better pay in the outside world.Originally posted by Larry:That depends. I know of a few friends who are enjoying what they are doing in the Singapore Armed Forces, be it Army, Navy or Air Force. The pay is relatively well to what they can get in the private sector and I will not give figures here.
If a person is able to adapt to the type of life of a SAF personnel, then signing on is not a bad idea. All I can say is that SAF actually has benefits which the private sector is unable to supply. Also, the retirement scheme is quite attractive to some people. So signin can be an alternative.
The reason why I chose not to sign on is because I am a undergraduate. My experience in IT will send my career to another level if I choose to expand my expertise in the private sector. The SAF is unable to really provide with such an option.
I hope this answers your query.
You also mention if a person is able to adapt to the type of life of a SAF personnel, then signing on is not a bad idea. Now I got a question, what if the person cannot adapt to the life in SAF? On surface everything seems well, only when you got into the unit and that is the time most people started to regret. Believe me, I seen far too many people who regretted already. SAF retirement scheme is attractive? Do you really think so? For officiers, if you can't get a least a LTC by 45 years old, that means that will be the end of your career in SAF, you will be given a large sum for retirement at 45 years old, think carefully. 45 years old. With them amount for retirement, how are you going to survive for the rest of your life? Don't just look at things on the surface, see deeper and think carefully.
You choose not to sign on just because you are an undergraduate in IT, does it mean that if you are not an undergraduate in IT you will sign on? Are you trying to say only those with qualification that can expend their expertise in SAF should sign on? -
I don't agree with you. What a person likes or dislikes is not the only reason he decide for signing on. He may loves the job very much but he can't stand the strict rules in the forces. He may likes the job very much but he can't accept he has to wear uniform everyday. He may like the job but he can't bear the torture to stay in during certain days. There are many many things in the forces, not only the liking of it.Originally posted by Larry:I believe u have misunderstood my posting. It could be due to my bad expression of English.
What I am trying to say that as long as u enjoy the job, signing on is ok. It doesn't matter it's the rules or liking of the forces. It's the thrill u get from the job. Think of it as a job. Yah??
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Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:
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Every job has a bad and goos side,even a job you love has some side that you will dread doing,the SAF is no exception,if you love the vocation enough to be able to accept a regimental life and want a stable career,go ahead.I have colleagues who love the vocation so much until they signed on even though they don't like the regimental life.Their love of what they are doing overcame the regimental aspects of SAF life.But think carefully as once you put pen to paper,there is no chance you can back out of it,eheheOriginally posted by Fearless:I don't agree with you. What a person likes or dislikes is not the only reason he decide for signing on. He may loves the job very much but he can't stand the strict rules in the forces. He may likes the job very much but he can't accept he has to wear uniform everyday. He may like the job but he can't bear the torture to stay in during certain days. There are many many things in the forces, not only the liking of it.
You get it?
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Good point. There are always people who may love and others who may hate the same thing. So I will not elaborate on this point.Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:I beg to differ. You only see some of your friends who loves the SAF. As for me, I seen so many people who regretted signing on. Much much more than those who enjoy it. The pay is well? I doubt so, I always believe if you are capable, you can earn much much better pay in the outside world.
You also mention if a person is able to adapt to the type of life of a SAF personnel, then signing on is not a bad idea. Now I got a question, what if the person cannot adapt to the life in SAF? On surface everything seems well, only when you got into the unit and that is the time most people started to regret. Believe me, I seen far too many people who regretted already. SAF retirement scheme is attractive? Do you really think so? For officiers, if you can't get a least a LTC by 45 years old, that means that will be the end of your career in SAF, you will be given a large sum for retirement at 45 years old, think carefully. 45 years old. With them amount for retirement, how are you going to survive for the rest of your life? Don't just look at things on the surface, see deeper and think carefully.
You choose not to sign on just because you are an undergraduate in IT, does it mean that if you are not an undergraduate in IT you will sign on? Are you trying to say only those with qualification that can expend their expertise in SAF should sign on?
About your second point, let me draw a picture. In the private sector, u can resign as and when u like, as long as u are not bonded. In the SAF, u can only draw a paycheck as a regular by signing a bond. So we can see here that there is no "trial" version and u can't resign after signing on, unless u pay back everything.
It's just like any other career. U sign on to get a career. Life is never a bed of roses. We must learn to take things as they come.
The SAF retirement scheme is attractive is in terms of this: If u are 45 yrs old, u can choose NOT to retire but to continue your service as a NUSAF personnel in the service vocation. U get to keep your rank (if I remembered correctly). Your vocation pay will drop, but not really that much. So if u ask me, I think it's not too bad, rather than going into stagnantation in our later stage of life.
I am not saying that only people with expertise in SAF should sign on. U should only sign on when u consider SAF as a career, a job. Think of the things u look for in a job. U will get what I mean. -
I have a question for u. Are u in the working sector?? If u are, then I believe u will see the relevance of my point. In the working sector, it is actually no difference from a career in the SAF. In the SAF, the rules are stated, black and white. In the private sector, the rules are there; it is just not stated in black and white, that's all.Originally posted by Fearless:I don't agree with you. What a person likes or dislikes is not the only reason he decide for signing on. He may loves the job very much but he can't stand the strict rules in the forces. He may likes the job very much but he can't accept he has to wear uniform everyday. He may like the job but he can't bear the torture to stay in during certain days. There are many many things in the forces, not only the liking of it.
You get it?
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Does it mean that you already agree to my first point?Originally posted by Larry:Good point. There are always people who may love and others who may hate the same thing. So I will not elaborate on this point.
About your second point, let me draw a picture. In the private sector, u can resign as and when u like, as long as u are not bonded. In the SAF, u can only draw a paycheck as a regular by signing a bond. So we can see here that there is no "trial" version and u can't resign after signing on, unless u pay back everything.
It's just like any other career. U sign on to get a career. Life is never a bed of roses. We must learn to take things as they come.
The SAF retirement scheme is attractive is in terms of this: If u are 45 yrs old, u can choose NOT to retire but to continue your service as a NUSAF personnel in the service vocation. U get to keep your rank (if I remembered correctly). Your vocation pay will drop, but not really that much. So if u ask me, I think it's not too bad, rather than going into stagnantation in our later stage of life.
I am not saying that only people with expertise in SAF should sign on. U should only sign on when u consider SAF as a career, a job. Think of the things u look for in a job. U will get what I mean.
Second point, career in SAF is bonded by contract. You can't resign as and when you like. Many people thought that they would like their job but in the end they found that they can take all the strict rules, all the strict punishment. I seens far too many cases already. What is the point of looking for a job which you might regret and there is no way out because you are tied down by bond? Unless you willing to pay back the the money.
As you said, life is never a bed of rose. So why choose a career that you might regret and cannot resign due to tied down by contract? Ehy not choose a career that is free and easy to make any advancement?
For the retirement scheme, do you know why so many people refuse to continue their service as a NUSAF after they retired? That is because the pay is much much lesser than what they drew during their service terms. Imagine someone who used to draw $6000 got to reduce his pay to only $3000. Do you think he can get use to living with such a great pay drop? As a NUSAF, the rank system is different, you don't keep your previous rank in NUSAF.
You keep saying as if SAF is such a good career. You also said that not only expertise in SAF should sign on. SAF career is not only a job, a career. There are much much more as a job. Look things in a more general ways. In outside world, your career is your career. In SAF you do much more things other than your own job. Don't keep looking only in a angle. Even you yourself also feel that you got more opportunity in the outside world. Even you yourself also refuse to sign on.
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I am in the navy. In SAF, your career is totally different from the outside world. Far too different. As you already said in SAF everything is in black and white, you need to follow all orders regardless it is right or wrong. Career in SAF got to do much more than what suppose to be done.Originally posted by Larry:I have a question for u. Are u in the working sector?? If u are, then I believe u will see the relevance of my point. In the working sector, it is actually no difference from a career in the SAF. In the SAF, the rules are stated, black and white. In the private sector, the rules are there; it is just not stated in black and white, that's all.
So I can safely tell u that a lot of the working people outthere likes the job, but not the rules and constriction that comes with it. Get my drift??
Outside world if you dislike the job dislike your boss, you can just throw in your resignation letter. In SAF, you cannot. Being 'marked' by your superior ended up being 'tekan'. Doing a lot of extra work. Do you get the point? I seen a lot of people after signing on unable to take the rules in SAF. You only seen the good side of it. Have you really seen the evil side in SAF? Do you know how many people regretted signing on the navy? -
Even you also mention in order to stay in SAF happily, you must be able to withstand all the regimental life. So my question is what if you can't stand regimental lifes? Even you love the vocation but you totally can't stand the regimental life, do you think you will still be happy? You only saw your collegue who love the vocation and don't mind the regimental life, I seen a lot more who can't stand regimental life and regretted signing on.Originally posted by moose:Every job has a bad and goos side,even a job you love has some side that you will dread doing,the SAF is no exception,if you love the vocation enough to be able to accept a regimental life and want a stable career,go ahead.I have colleagues who love the vocation so much until they signed on even though they don't like the regimental life.Their love of what they are doing overcame the regimental aspects of SAF life.But think carefully as once you put pen to paper,there is no chance you can back out of it,ehehe -
Ya,those who sign on and regretted it was not due to the regimental life,but to the fact that they know how some officers really work and what a lousy place it is,while those who stayed are mainly due to 2 reasons.1 is they need the $$ as they are having a family,so no matter how the hate the SAF,it's still is a regular paycheck while the other reason is the person really likes the vocation and is willing to look past the regimental liftstyle becos of the vocation,ehehe
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From an SAF personnel to a NUSAF,there is only a 20% pay reduction,so if you get $6000,you won't get $3000,only $4800.Anyway,another reason why people don't wanna sign on SAF is that although the pay is regular,but you won't get rich.While in the civilian world,if you are lucky and work hard,you can earn a lot more than if you were to sign on in the SAF,ehehe
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Theory Of Relativity
Eating a lot of good food will make 1 hour seem like 5 minutes while eating lotsa horrigible cooked veggies will make 5 minutes seem like 1 hour~~~
Waiting for Diablo 2 Add-on