Some regretted not due to regimental life, there could be lots and lots of reasons. As you already said, some of the officiers are really lousy and some regretted due to lousy working environment. So my question now is if you were to regret, is there anyway to back out other than paying back the money? Why look for a job which you might regret and once regret there is no way out?Originally posted by moose:Ya,those who sign on and regretted it was not due to the regimental life,but to the fact that they know how some officers really work and what a lousy place it is,while those who stayed are mainly due to 2 reasons.1 is they need the $$ as they are having a family,so no matter how the hate the SAF,it's still is a regular paycheck while the other reason is the person really likes the vocation and is willing to look past the regimental liftstyle becos of the vocation,ehehe
Why look for a job which require you to sign contract if you can find plenty of jobs around? You only met a few who sign on because they love their vocation. I met plenty who regretted signing on. One of them is you Mr Moose, am I right to say that?Originally posted by moose:In the civilian world,there is also contract based work where if you back out of a contract,you have to pay back a large amount of $$$,it's not so simple as where you don't like a job,you just quit in the civilian world.Contract based jobs do exist just like the SAF.I have met a few people who loved the vocation and SAF to sign on,this could be because i have been to quite a few places and met quite a lot of people and also know why they continu sign on.Somoe is just because they have to for the sake of their family and some are just because they simple love the job and are willing to overlook the lousy working environment,ehehe
Not really. So long you not choosy, jobs very easy to find.Originally posted by moose:Anyway,jobs are not that easy to find outside in the civilian world,especially one which you love which may or may not be a contract base job,ehehe
Tat will depends on the time you look for a job,try looking for a job in times of recession and you can only end up at Macdonald's whereas the SAF is always willing to employ people in good times and bad,eheheOriginally posted by Fearless:Not really. So long you not choosy, jobs very easy to find.
Yah yah....it is also the only place you can find when you do shitty things regardless whether it is good or bad outside in civil sector.Originally posted by moose:Tat will depends on the time you look for a job,try looking for a job in times of recession and you can only end up at Macdonald's whereas the SAF is always willing to employ people in good times and bad,ehehe
Well, one man's meat maybe another man's poison. So I won't touch on that.Originally posted by Simon the Snow Blower:Does it mean that you already agree to my first point?
[B}Second point, career in SAF is bonded by contract. You can't resign as and when you like. Many people thought that they would like their job but in the end they found that they can take all the strict rules, all the strict punishment. I seens far too many cases already. What is the point of looking for a job which you might regret and there is no way out because you are tied down by bond? Unless you willing to pay back the the money.[/B]Most people I know signed on because of the money. U have to admit that SAF is paying better than most private organizations given a standard level of education. They even provide diploma courses for those with 'O' levels. I believe we cannot hide from this.
As you said, life is never a bed of rose. So why choose a career that you might regret and cannot resign due to tied down by contract? Ehy not choose a career that is free and easy to make any advancement?I am not saying that u can't. I am just citing SAF as an alternative career.
For the retirement scheme, do you know why so many people refuse to continue their service as a NUSAF after they retired? That is because the pay is much much lesser than what they drew during their service terms. Imagine someone who used to draw $6000 got to reduce his pay to only $3000. Do you think he can get use to living with such a great pay drop? As a NUSAF, the rank system is different, you don't keep your previous rank in NUSAF.Correct. U get paid more for what u do. Which organization would want to pay someone a high pay for not doing much? If there is, you must let me know. I think I might wanna join them. :p
You keep saying as if SAF is such a good career. You also said that not only expertise in SAF should sign on. SAF career is not only a job, a career. There are much much more as a job. Look things in a more general ways. In outside world, your career is your career. In SAF you do much more things other than your own job. Don't keep looking only in a angle. Even you yourself also feel that you got more opportunity in the outside world. Even you yourself also refuse to sign on.The reason why I chose not to sign on is that there isn't much opportunites for me to develope my expertise in IT in SAF, not because of the rules and regimentation. As a career, I believe each individual has cause to choose what is best for him/her. If he/she thinks that SAF is the best option for them, and it is able to provide what other organizations cannot provide, why not??
That's where u are wrong. I had never cited poverty as one of the reasons as this is one main cause of unhappiness and discontentment in the course of a career in the SAF. It is not of free will that they signed on. I am looking at the point of people who signed on with the SAF as a career, a job prospect. Of course, if u had mentioned poverty being one of the reasons of people signing on, then that's a different issue.Originally posted by Fearless:Some regretted not due to regimental life, there could be lots and lots of reasons. As you already said, some of the officiers are really lousy and some regretted due to lousy working environment. So my question now is if you were to regret, is there anyway to back out other than paying back the money? Why look for a job which you might regret and once regret there is no way out?
Financial problem is always the main reason why people sign on. Looks like you Mr Moose also agree to this point. Seems to me Mr Muneric and Mr Larry don't agree.
I seldom see people who really loves the vocation and willing to overlook the regimental life. I saw most who can't stand regimental life but they got no choice, they can only stick on to it. I seldom see people who enjoy their life in SAF, even you yourself also said that you regretted signing on your vocation even though your vocation is very relaxing. So how many people really happy signing on?
Not necessary only end up in Mcdonalds. Even during recession, there are still jobs around. If recession cannot find job, than how come still so many people able to get job during recession?Originally posted by moose:Tat will depends on the time you look for a job,try looking for a job in times of recession and you can only end up at Macdonald's whereas the SAF is always willing to employ people in good times and bad,ehehe
Financial is always the main reason why people sign on. Facts are always the facts. How many people sign on navy because of financial? How many people thought that navy is relaxing and regretted signing on after that? How many people after signing on can stand regimental life? There are many many example I saw in my life in navy. If you insist that it is good, so be it. In SAF, you do much more than what your vocation needs to do. You may thought you love the vocation, after signing on than start to regret and it will be too late.Originally posted by Larry:That's where u are wrong. I had never cited poverty as one of the reasons as this is one main cause of unhappiness and discontentment in the course of a career in the SAF. It is not of free will that they signed on. I am looking at the point of people who signed on with the SAF as a career, a job prospect. Of course, if u had mentioned poverty being one of the reasons of people signing on, then that's a different issue.
I don't see any reason why you wouldn't touch on this point? Is it because I am right with this?Originally posted by Larry:Well, one man's meat maybe another man's poison. So I won't touch on that.
Most people I know signed on because of the money. U have to admit that SAF is paying better than most private organizations given a standard level of education. They even provide diploma courses for those with 'O' levels. I believe we cannot hide from this.SAf pay is indeed better only at the beginning. If you are capable, you can earn much better money along the way. Not only SAF provide diploma course. Private sector also provide upgrading course for staffs. If you want to compare this point, I believe private sector wouldn't lose out.
I am not saying that u can't. I am just citing SAF as an alternative career.You already said that it is an alternative career. Than please answer my question on why choose a career that you might regret and cannot resign due to tied down by contract? Why not choose a career that is free and easy to make any advancement? I will like to hear an answer from you regarding this point.
Correct. U get paid more for what u do. Which organization would want to pay someone a high pay for not doing much? If there is, you must let me know. I think I might wanna join them.SAF is said to be a place for those high ranking people drawing high pay to do nothing and those NSF to do all the shit things. If you think you are the lazy type who can't perform on work or refuse to do work, go ahead to sign on SAF. I believe SAF is best for this type of people. Are you trying to tell me you are one of the lazy type or those who can't perform on work? If choose to lead such a meaningless life is something you want, than I really feel very sad for you. You already prove to me that you are one of those lazy type who wants high pay yet refuse to work. From what you just said, I really start to look down on you.
The reason why I chose not to sign on is that there isn't much opportunites for me to develope my expertise in IT in SAF, not because of the rules and regimentation. As a career, I believe each individual has cause to choose what is best for him/her. If he/she thinks that SAF is the best option for them, and it is able to provide what other organizations cannot provide, why not??You already said that individual has to choose what is best for him/her, I stress my point again. SAF is definitely not a best alternative for those who can't stand regimential life. Further more once you sign on, you cannot back out. Why choose a job which got no way out once you regret? Jobs are plentiful outside.
Glad to hear your views on this, but please do not get too perturbed by what I say. It is just my personal opinion.You personnal opinion is you keep claming SAF is good to sign on. Yet when I stress the bad point, you either keep avoiding or shift the attention to somewhere else. If you want the discussion to go on. Please answer the points I pointed out.
Other job you can scold back the boss or the most quit if you dislike your boss.Originally posted by moose:Any job is not good for you if you hate the boss and the working environment.not only the SAF.heheeh
I agree. Sometime we can get real good bosses in the SAF but.....remember there is such thing call the posting orders and you cant guarantee you will like the boss all the time and most important your boss may not LIKE YOU.Originally posted by Fearless:Other job you can scold back the boss or the most quit if you dislike your boss.
Scold back your boss in SAF will land you in DB. You need to pay back for breaking the contract if you quit.
Well said. Further more if you get boss who like to find trouble or super on. No matter how good your vocation is, you still wouldn't enjoy your job.Originally posted by Desert Fox:I agree. Sometime we can get real good bosses in the SAF but.....remember there is such thing call the posting orders and you cant guarantee you will like the boss all the time and most important your boss may not LIKE YOU.
Good point. Superiors/Supervisors always matter.Originally posted by Fearless:Well said. Further more if you get boss who like to find trouble or super on. No matter how good your vocation is, you still wouldn't enjoy your job.
You can always choose your career. My point is why choose a career that got so much restriction? SAF everything is in black and white, as you already said. My question is what if you regret?Originally posted by Larry:Simon the Snow Blower:
I can feel your anger building up. Let me emphasize on my point: You can always choose your own career. If u like the SAF's type of career they can offer, by all means go ahead. Poverty is one of the reasons people sign on, but that doesn't mean it is all bad. There are always red tapes in any working environment. The only difference is that in the SAF, it is in black and white.
Now SAF is under-pressure from the civil sector, especially the parents. No parent would want to see his/her own child suffer. The stereo-typed idea of NSF life in the SAF is the main cause of the problem. I can only tell u this: SAF now is better than SAF last time. Yes, u do all the "shit" but trust me, nothing's easy in the working environment.
You can choose to back out from the bond, only if u return the money. Most people complain because they don't want to return the money. I hope I am correct on this.
And lastly, since u have such a "wonderful" opinion of me, I won't shun from expressing my opinion of u. U like to be "right". Well, please go ahead. My statement on "one man's meat is another man's poision" is only emphasizing on differences in each individual's likings. I do hope u understand. I am not saying that signing on is GOOD. I am only comparing the pros and cons. I do hope u can understand this.
Oh yah, about the looking down on me part. For your info, I work from 8.30am to most of the time 9.00pm++. Does that help to change your opinion??
What should you do if you got a lousy boss?Originally posted by Larry:Good point. Superiors/Supervisors always matter.
Depends,if you scold you boss,he can sue you in a civil suit or if you are bound by contract,You cannot quit even if you want to.Anyway,i have colleagues who scold their officers and still have not entered DB yet,eheheOriginally posted by Fearless:Other job you can scold back the boss or the most quit if you dislike your boss.
Scold back your boss in SAF will land you in DB. You need to pay back for breaking the contract if you quit.