Now you guys know many chinese that move over to Vancouver are from Hong kong and hence speak cantonese...but they're facing competition and disdain from mainlanders who speak mandarin telling them to stop speaking English with cantonese accent and destroying chinese culture..
But mandarin is really a new phenomenon as dialects such as cantonese has been around longer,,,so who's at fault here?
Originally posted by Catknight:Now you guys know many chinese that move over to Vancouver are from Hong kong and hence speak cantonese...but they're facing competition and disdain from mainlanders who speak mandarin telling them to stop speaking English with cantonese accent and destroying chinese culture..
But mandarin is really a new phenomenon as dialects such as cantonese has been around longer,,,so who's at fault here?
why is there even a fault with anybody? the angmoh in Canada never cpcb about the cantonese, why should anybody complain about the mandarin spoken? there are also many taiwanese there, much earlier, way before 1997, and they spoken mandarin. if you go to surrey, the singh are speaking their dialect as well as indian english. go to co quitlam, you find the singlish speaking people. actually the cantonese speaking people are moving to richmond already.
mandarin is a new phenomenon? dialects are around longer? learn chinese culture!
the difference between mandarin and dialects is that mandarin is spoken by all chinese, and dialects by the locals in provinces. HK people thought they didn't have to speak mandarin because they were under the rule of the british colonial master. Now in canada, also used to be under the queen, things are already different. been to HK lately? never hear the people there speak mandarin with cantonese accent?
Chinese less happy about life in Canada than S. Asians: poll
“Immigrants come to Canada seeking a better life for their family and
children. Though quality of life (i.e., air, environment) is perceived
to be better in Canada compared to their home country, there is still
disappointment with job opportunities. Recent immigrants to Canada are
well-educated with professional degrees, and have extensive skills and
work experience. More companies need to create or participate in
programs to hire these new Canadians who are able to make an immediate
contribution to the Canadian economy. They are our solution to Canada’s
rapidly aging workforce, which we risk losing to reverse immigration
back to their home countries,” says Jill Hong, Vice-President at Ipsos
Reid in Toronto.
These views are similar across various demographic subgroups: gender,
household income, and province (British Columbia vs. Ontario). However,
a few differences between population subgroups exist. In particular,
South Asians are more likely than Chinese to view aspects of life in
Canada positively compared to their home country:
* South Asians are more likely than Chinese to feel overall
quality of life is much better in Canada than their home country (62%
vs. 37%);
* South Asians are more likely than Chinese to view their social
life as better in Canada than their home country (48% vs. 21%); and,
* South Asians are more likely than Chinese to consider job
opportunities to be better in Canada than in their home country (71%
vs. 27%).
South Asians include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka.
These are the findings of an Ipsos Reid study fielded from November 24 to December 1, 2008 and from March 11 to March 31, 2009.
today I went to polyclinic. I heard and saw 2 PRC young guy wanted to make appointment at a public hospital and uttered chinese to the staff, who is a malay. luckily the malay know how to speak simple chinese to be able to converse to them.
but the thing is dun these PRC people know not everybody speaks chinese in spore. they never bother to check if the person they are speaking to is a chinese? what if the person is an Indian? do they suppose the indian is able to reply them in chinese? do they realise that spore is not a province of china, even though majority of the population is chinese.
Originally posted by Rooney9:today I went to polyclinic. I heard and saw 2 PRC young guy wanted to make appointment at a public hospital and uttered chinese to the staff, who is a malay. luckily the malay know how to speak simple chinese to be able to converse to them.
but the thing is dun these PRC people know not everybody speaks chinese in spore. they never bother to check if the person they are speaking to is a chinese? what if the person is an Indian? do they suppose the indian is able to reply them in chinese? do they realise that spore is not a province of china, even though majority of the population is chinese.
Not the first case and definitely not the last as well. That is so self centred and inconsiderate of the PRC. Sometimes I will talk to the PRC and tell them not all in Singapore understand Mandarin.
Originally posted by Catknight:Now you guys know many chinese that move over to Vancouver are from Hong kong and hence speak cantonese...but they're facing competition and disdain from mainlanders who speak mandarin telling them to stop speaking English with cantonese accent and destroying chinese culture..
But mandarin is really a new phenomenon as dialects such as cantonese has been around longer,,,so who's at fault here?
You got a problem with Chinese people?? I think you better take care of your house (singapore) before going further in canada or hongkong..
The main reason why Chinese from mainland China migrate to Canada n feel setback in their life compare to South Asians like Indian,Banganla n Pakistanis is becos the stupid Communist China discourage their ppl from learning English.
They still thought that China is the "Centre of the world" n refuse to acknowledge importance of English n its usage around the world.Those stupid communist Pigs!!!
Must be Lee Kuan Yew who tell those Communist politicians not to learn English,so that he can feel "superior" when he met them n speak fluent English.
Originally posted by hasene:Not the first case and definitely not the last as well. That is so self centred and inconsiderate of the PRC. Sometimes I will talk to the PRC and tell them not all in Singapore understand Mandarin.
I feel these people have no brains at all or have brains, but seldom use it. surely they have eyes to see who is indian and who is malay and chinese isnt it. frankly speaking, I dun have a good impression of these PRCs here. maybe the ones who are intelligent and rich ones, do not surfaced easily if at all.
So now what? ask people in Vancouver to give up speaking Cantonese? Hong kongers speaking chinese sounds really weird though, Just like how I speak cantonese
But then majority of the HK films are in cantonese though, no doubt there.
It's quite obvious why PRCs impose Mandarin on Singaporeans. In general, Singapore and singaporeans portray the country, culture and people as being chinese oriented:
(1) Singapore promotes chinese language and culture. (Interestingly, the language and culture of other ethnicities are not promoted as intensely as that of Chinese)
(2) Pro-chinese singaporeans think they are pure chinese even possibly to the extend of being more chinese than PRCs themselves.
In general, the country portrays itself as that of a chinese satellite. With the repressed distinction that Singapore is not a chinese state, It's not surprising therefore that PRCs would impose their language and culture on Singaporeans. We reap what we sow.
PRC in S'pore can't tell the difference between a local chinese, malay or indian. They are "color blind" to this. To them, as long as you are local, regardless the color of your skin, you must be able to speak mandarin. All this because our govt promote our country as so.