Taiwan news report on out Singlish
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The appearance of singlish in Singapore shows the failure of Lee Kuan Yew's language policies.
It is odd that so many of his social policies all end up in failures, like the language policies, speak good english, speak good mandarin, stop at 2, graduate women policy etc.
He seems to be completely worthless in social policies.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
The appearance of singlish in Singapore shows the failure of Lee Kuan Yew's language policies.
It is odd that so many of his social policies all end up in failures, like the language policies, speak good english, speak good mandarin, stop at 2, graduate women policy etc.
In a way I agree with you. He did not do a good job to get schools and educators to make sure proper English is spoken and used. He also failed to teach phonics for correct pronunciation. Typically the Singapore English sounds singlish. People are so deeply rooted in Singlish. In near future we will not see much improvement
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
In a way I agree with you. He did not do a good job to get schools and educators to make sure proper English is spoken and used. He also failed to teach phonics for correct pronunciation. Typically the Singapore English sounds singlish. People are so deeply rooted in Singlish. In near future we will not see much improvement
Bilingual language policy is mostly a failure in Singapore. Only a small percentage of people are truly bilingual. Singaporeans end up with neither english nor mandarin. They get shit.
That is one reason why I say mandarin should be the dominant language in Singapore.
It can kill off singlish.
But Lee Kuan Yew won't accept the end of bilingualism because to do so will harm the interests of the english speaking elite that controls Singapore.
I hope that after Lee Kuan Yew is dead there can be change in Singapore's language policies.
Get a banana like Lee Kuan Yew to handle language policies of dialect chinese. You only get shit.
Look at Chia Thye Poh's impressive command of mandarin and english, he is the product of the older education system:
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2012/03/censors-clear-chia-thye-poh-video-rates.html
There are a lot of good things that we can learn from the older education system of Singapore. Any reform effort must start from looking at what the older system did right. Why it could produce someone like Chia Thye Poh, good in both mandarin and english?
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Bilingual language policy is mostly a failure in Singapore. Only a small percentage of people are truly bilingual. Singaporeans end up with neither english nor mandarin. They get shit.
That is one reason why I say mandarin should be the dominant language in Singapore.
It can kill off singlish.
But Lee Kuan Yew won't accept the end of bilingualism because to do so will harm the interests of the english speaking elite that controls Singapore.
I hope that after Lee Kuan Yew is dead there can be change in Singapore's language policies.
Get a banana like Lee Kuan Yew to handle language policies of dialect chinese. You only get shit.
To be bilingual is important.
When he dies, you take over him. You can do what you want.
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Originally posted by winsomeea:
To be bilingual is important.
When he dies, you take over him. You can do what you want.
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75% of Singapore's population is chinese. There is no need for complicated language policies.
Mandarin and Malay as dominant languages will do. There is no reason at all why the language standard is so poor.
It is because of that anglophile fucking bastard Harry Lee Kuan Yew's hidden agendas.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Bilingual language policy is mostly a failure in Singapore. Only a small percentage of people are truly bilingual. Singaporeans end up with neither english nor mandarin. They get shit.
That is one reason why I say mandarin should be the dominant language in Singapore.
It can kill off singlish.
But Lee Kuan Yew won't accept the end of bilingualism because to do so will harm the interests of the english speaking elite that controls Singapore.
I hope that after Lee Kuan Yew is dead there can be change in Singapore's language policies.
Get a banana like Lee Kuan Yew to handle language policies of dialect chinese. You only get shit.
Look at Chia Thye Poh's impressive command of mandarin and english, he is the product of the older education system:
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2012/03/censors-clear-chia-thye-poh-video-rates.html
There are a lot of good things that we can learn from the older education system of Singapore. Any reform effort must start from looking at what the older system did right. Why it could produce someone like Chia Thye Poh, good in both mandarin and english?
How can you blame lee kuan yew for this? You said that mandarin should be used as the main language in Singapore. What will the malays and indians think about this? He wrote in his memoirs that he made english the language in schools and workplace so that no race will have an advantage over each other (there were lots of racial riots back then) and also because it will put Singapore on an international level. He'd always encouraged singaporeans to speak good english in schools and speak chinese at home. It's the parents' fault for not teaching their child mandarin. They think it's 'low class' or unimportant. If I can choose whether I want to be good in english or chinese only or be average in both, I'll choose to be average in both. Because of our bilingualism, we can do business with both major powers, US and China. When it comes to language, I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one. -
I don't like LKY but I don't necessarily thinks that Singlish is a bad thing to have. I'm a post graduate student, IQ above 140 but I still loves Singlish. Singlish is so efficient.
On the other hand, I do dispise people who speak with perfect English, only to realize they accomplish nothing in their lives except trolling on forums, of course, you guessed it, with perfect English.
If Singlish is to be banned, then slangs and anything beyond the norms of being politically correct should be banned as well.
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Originally posted by sunny_jialing_day:
How can you blame lee kuan yew for this? You said that mandarin should be used as the main language in Singapore. What will the malays and indians think about this? He wrote in his memoirs that he made english the language in schools and workplace so that no race will have an advantage over each other (there were lots of racial riots back then) and also because it will put Singapore on an international level. He'd always encouraged singaporeans to speak good english in schools and speak chinese at home. It's the parents' fault for not teaching their child mandarin. They think it's 'low class' or unimportant. If I can choose whether I want to be good in english or chinese only or be average in both, I'll choose to be average in both. Because of our bilingualism, we can do business with both major powers, US and China. When it comes to language, I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.Above post of yours would be typical of a non political person.
To a political person, your post is complete and total rubbish. I suggest learn more about politics first. You are quite naive and ignorant about Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore.
See:
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When it comes to language, I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Now that is true nonsense. I hope the PAP is not teaching that point of view in schools.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Bilingual language policy is mostly a failure in Singapore. Only a small percentage of people are truly bilingual. Singaporeans end up with neither english nor mandarin. They get shit.
That is one reason why I say mandarin should be the dominant language in Singapore.
It can kill off singlish.
But Lee Kuan Yew won't accept the end of bilingualism because to do so will harm the interests of the english speaking elite that controls Singapore.
I hope that after Lee Kuan Yew is dead there can be change in Singapore's language policies.
Get a banana like Lee Kuan Yew to handle language policies of dialect chinese. You only get shit.
Look at Chia Thye Poh's impressive command of mandarin and english, he is the product of the older education system:
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2012/03/censors-clear-chia-thye-poh-video-rates.html
There are a lot of good things that we can learn from the older education system of Singapore. Any reform effort must start from looking at what the older system did right. Why it could produce someone like Chia Thye Poh, good in both mandarin and english?
Y not malay? y not tamil?
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Dalforce is a nuisance here isit?
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Originally posted by Siliconchip:
Y not malay? y not tamil?
Also can. Please give suggestions if you have any.
At the same time, Singapore was also the center of the Malay literary world, and most of the major writers worked and lived in the island.
Strong anti-colonial sentiments among the Malay intellectuals were fanned by the influential dailyUtusan Melayu, then under the charge of Yusof Ishak and Samad Ismail.
In the fifties a major debate arose in the Malay literary world in Singapore, on the issues as the proper function and responsibility of the writer, between the proponents of what came to be known as Art for Society as opposed to Art for Art’s sake.
The polemics which engulfed the Malay literary world in the period led to the formation of Angkatan Sastrawan 50s (ASAS 50), who argued for and advocated the view that writers had a clear and obvious social duty and responsibility.
The debate was more than a difference in literary style or preference.
It hinged on the more important issue at that juncture as to whether the writer should stand aside from the emerging anti-colonial struggle. Usman was one of a whole generation of writers including M S Masuri, A Samad Said, Keris Mas, Arena Wati, who took cudgels on behalf of the cause for a literature of social concerns and social relevance.
Among them were a group of socially engaged students, including Ali Aziz, Kassim Ahmad and Syed Hussin Ali who were then studying at the University of Malaya located in Singapore, who were to pay major roles in subsequent years in literature and politics.
This debate had its reverberations in the Chinese literary world at the time, which was embroiled in a similar debate on broadly the same issues. Accordingly the debate generated considerable interest in Chinese literary circles, creating an empathy for ASAS 50 among many Chinese writers.
At the same time, the debate on the issue of the National Language came to the fore.
It is now conceded that the left wing trade unions under Lim Chin Siong, took a decision early on in support of Malay as the national language and at the same time arguing for a reduction in the role of the English language and the elevation of the languages of the local communities, principally Chinese and Tamil. Lim’s role in this has been acknowledged by Usman and Samad Ismail and others.
The left wing support for the use of Malay as the national language and the common lingua franca, created a strong surge of interest for the learning of Malay.
This momentum was accelerated after 1959, when widespread classes for Malay in night schools, adult education centres and private tuition was widespread and extensive.
This movement for the study of Malay declined after Singapore left Malaysia after 1965. Since then, the island republic had gone on to embrace the English language with a new fervour and intensity, bringing in its wake the widespread dissemination of western values, culture and mores.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Also can. Please give suggestions if you have any.
At the same time, Singapore was also the center of the Malay literary world, and most of the major writers worked and lived in the island.
Strong anti-colonial sentiments among the Malay intellectuals were fanned by the influential dailyUtusan Melayu, then under the charge of Yusof Ishak and Samad Ismail.
In the fifties a major debate arose in the Malay literary world in Singapore, on the issues as the proper function and responsibility of the writer, between the proponents of what came to be known as Art for Society as opposed to Art for Art’s sake.
The polemics which engulfed the Malay literary world in the period led to the formation of Angkatan Sastrawan 50s (ASAS 50), who argued for and advocated the view that writers had a clear and obvious social duty and responsibility.
The debate was more than a difference in literary style or preference.
It hinged on the more important issue at that juncture as to whether the writer should stand aside from the emerging anti-colonial struggle. Usman was one of a whole generation of writers including M S Masuri, A Samad Said, Keris Mas, Arena Wati, who took cudgels on behalf of the cause for a literature of social concerns and social relevance.
Among them were a group of socially engaged students, including Ali Aziz, Kassim Ahmad and Syed Hussin Ali who were then studying at the University of Malaya located in Singapore, who were to pay major roles in subsequent years in literature and politics.
This debate had its reverberations in the Chinese literary world at the time, which was embroiled in a similar debate on broadly the same issues. Accordingly the debate generated considerable interest in Chinese literary circles, creating an empathy for ASAS 50 among many Chinese writers.
At the same time, the debate on the issue of the National Language came to the fore.
It is now conceded that the left wing trade unions under Lim Chin Siong, took a decision early on in support of Malay as the national language and at the same time arguing for a reduction in the role of the English language and the elevation of the languages of the local communities, principally Chinese and Tamil. Lim’s role in this has been acknowledged by Usman and Samad Ismail and others.
The left wing support for the use of Malay as the national language and the common lingua franca, created a strong surge of interest for the learning of Malay.
This momentum was accelerated after 1959, when widespread classes for Malay in night schools, adult education centres and private tuition was widespread and extensive.
This movement for the study of Malay declined after Singapore left Malaysia after 1965. Since then, the island republic had gone on to embrace the English language with a new fervour and intensity, bringing in its wake the widespread dissemination of western values, culture and mores.
so u would rather have one of the other 3 official languages as main language than English?
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Bilingualism policy was a flop...nanny has already admitted
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1018826/1/.html
nanny's mistake was that he thought english was the driving force behind Sg success
But look at countries like Hongkong, China, Japan and Korea, they are so prosperous and successful without having to rely extensively on english,
They don't even need to bootlick the west by mastering the english language to perfection
It'll suffice for us to just use basic english to communicate effectively, u don't need a superb command of english in order to be successful
U know why singapore has become a developed nation in such a short span of time?
Cos it has no more land for future development liao, most of its available land are already fully developed
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OT oredi.
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Originally posted by FireIce:
OT oredi.
lol dalforce has that effect on every thread he posts in
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no matter how 'ang moh' singapore government wants its citizen to portray, we are afterall still an asian country and society located in Southeast Asia
so what's the big deal using singlish? You want kids with good verbal command of english, don't let them study in local schools, send them to Australia or USA or europe and let them interact with westerners..
or there is another way, replace 70% of the population with westerners/ang mohs
Now the government is starting to bootlick China by emphasizing on the importance of mandarin, and with the mass influx with PRCs into sinkieland, i see mandarin slowly displacing english in the next few decades
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
i see mandarin slowly displacing english in the next few decades
I doubt so.
See:
PAP has invested a lot of energy into destroying the chinese education system in this country. They won't allow the threat to return. Lee Kuan Yew will also oppose it till death. -
Times are different mann..
In the 1965-1970s of nation building, do you think Nanny Lee had ever expected 50 years down the horizon China would become a economic powerhouse?
Those days china was still a slum and mandarin was regarded as a low-class language spoken by the poor and uneducated
With China slowly displacing the West as economic giant, it's projected that the combined wealth of Asia will overtake that of the west in 2 decades
The trend is that the Chinese today are more hardworking and hard-driving in the pursuit for wealth while the ang mohs are more contented to sit back, splurge and relax and borrow money from the East
Today Mandarin is used by the top Chinese elities, businessmen and influential politicians and billionaires in China and Hong Kong who will control majority of the global wealth in 2 decades
When China overtakes USA as economic giant, even ang mohs has to use mandarin when they communicate with Chinese businessmen, not the other way round, even though English is still the universal and business language
It's already prevalent now in corporate workplaces, you are expected to use Mandarin when communicating with chinese clients, especially when you are in China
Nannystate Sg, being an Asian country with over 70% of chinese population, who do u think it has to bootlick? China or West
Gone are the days when nannystate needs to rely heavily on the West, today Impressive China wants us to idolize them
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Times are different mann..
In the 1965-1970s of nation building, do you think Nanny Lee had ever expected 50 years down the horizon China would become a economic powerhouse?
Those days china was still a slum and mandarin was regarded as a low-class language spoken by the poor and uneducated
With China slowly displacing the West as economic giant, it's projected that the combined wealth of Asia will overtake that of the west in 2 decades
The trend is that the Chinese today are more hardworking and hard-driving in the pursuit for wealth while the ang mohs are more contented to sit back, splurge and relax and borrow money from the East
Today Mandarin is used by the top Chinese elities, businessmen and influential politicians and billionaires in China and Hong Kong who will control majority of the global wealth in 2 decades
When China overtakes USA as economic giant, even ang mohs has to use mandarin when they communicate with Chinese businessmen, not the other way round, even though English is still the universal and business language
It's already prevalent now in corporate workplaces, you are expected to use Mandarin when communicating with chinese clients, especially when you are in China
Nannystate Sg, being an Asian country with over 70% of chinese population, who do u think it has to bootlick? China or West
Gone are the days when nannystate needs to rely heavily on the West, today Impressive China wants us to idolize them
What is the ethnicity of Lee Kuan Yew?
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Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:
Now the government is starting to bootlick China by emphasizing on the importance of mandarin, and with the mass influx with PRCs into sinkieland, i see mandarin slowly displacing english in the next few decades
Yes, you can already see signs and government campaigns in Chinese and English.
In the future, all signs will be in two languages. Those PRC here will have no incentive to learn English. You wanna go to uni, prepare for the standard to suck.