The world is logically fallacious
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I beg to differ. The Bible talks about God creating the heavens and the earth, yet the focus is on man's relationship to God on planet Earth. Jesus said that if God even cares for the sparrow or knows the number of hairs on our heads, that really shows how much God values us. Only man is made in God's image. We may be an insignificant speck in the entire physical universe, but size is not the measure of significance. Consider how a rich man may value a piece of rock (diamond) and create a huge building or fortress fortified with security features. Compared to the building in terms of size the diamond is insignificant. But yet it is of great worth to the owner, so much so that the construction of the entire building attests to the worth of the diamond. Perhaps we can also think likewise with regards to the earth and the universe?
We are talking in the secular sense.
You are bringing christianity concepts into your argument.
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Originally posted by speakoutfor:
We are talking in the secular sense.
You are bringing christianity concepts into your argument.
What's wrong with bringing Christian concepts into my arguments? And why must we narrow the explanation to only the secular sense, which basically means only naturalistic explanations are allowed? This is your philosophical basis which I do not share. The issue isn't whether the explanation is secular or Christian, but whether it is true. Of course I do think that the Christian explanation is true compared to the secular anti-theistic one. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
What's wrong with bringing Christian concepts into my arguments? And why must we narrow the explanation to only the secular sense, which basically means only naturalistic explanations are allowed? This is your philosophical basis which I do not share. The issue isn't whether the explanation is secular or Christian, but whether it is true. Of course I do think that the Christian explanation is true compared to the secular anti-theistic one.
go fuck yr religion
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Originally posted by lce:
go fuck yr religion
You've got serious issues man, and basically I think you can't hold an argument so spewing vulgarities is about the only thing you are good at, and that's not even a complment. Wake up your idea and get an attitude change dude. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You've got serious issues man, and basically I think you can't hold an argument so spewing vulgarities is about the only thing you are good at, and that's not even a complment. Wake up your idea and get an attitude change dude.
dun hijack threads so pls fuck off -
Originally posted by lce:
dun hijack threads so pls fuck off
You are already hijacking this thread with your vulgarities. Since you obviously have anger management issues I think you should seek help, soon. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You are already hijacking this thread with your vulgarities. Since you obviously have anger management issues I think you should seek help, soon.
dun be a bastard -
Originally posted by lce:
dun be a bastard
Still hijacking this thread with your inane insults and vulgarities? Not feeding the troll anymore so you won't get a kick out of this. Get help please. And don't bother replying cos I won't be bothered. You are on my troll list, which means best being ignored. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Still hijacking this thread with your inane insults and vulgarities? Not feeding the troll anymore so you won't get a kick out of this. Get help please. And don't bother replying cos I won't be bothered. You are on my troll list, which means best being ignored.come suck my dick
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"Dude, your dictionary definition listed 7 meanings and you expected people to know you were referring to 1b? It has nothing to do with lack of initiative on my part, but your lack of clarity in communication and lack of courtesy. So my opinions of you does not matter yet you feel free to rant your opinions of me as if it mattered to the discussion? Double standards again? In any case, you failed to show how my earlier understanding was in anyway conflicting with your 1b definition."
I knew its gonna be hard for you but I don't wanna concern myself over anyone's inadequacies. I did not even imply your understanding is contradicting. Since you feel your understanding did not contradict with my definition, how was I not clear?
Enlighten me, what was my opinion about you when there is none worth mentioning?"Your moral of the story is flawed simply because it confuses a physical need which must be met for survival with a cognitive one which would inform how one should live his life. You can die of thirst pretty soon if you don't quench it, but you can also wander about meaninglessly your entire existence. So why wait until thirsty or when, as is usually the case, life crisis happens and then one thinks about more eternal or spiritual matters?"
Hehehe... whatever. My point is completely lost on you.
"Did I insist that everything should be my way? Strawman argument. In any case, it need not be either/or. The one seeking God may well be led by God to the one talking about God."
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."I don't know what your pity is for, but I surely doubt the sincerity of it. Anyway what's your point?"
That you are blind to your own weakness?
"The person who denies free will has a problem, he needs to ask himself if he came to that conclusion based on his own thinking (which involves freewill) or was he predetermined to come to that conclusion. The dilemma is yours, not mine. I believe in free will. In fact, I am conscious of it every moment. Your denial of it places yourself in a very awkward position, so awkward that you cannot even be coherent to defend it. The moment you CHOOSE to defend the view that no free will exists you have already affirmed free will. "
Yes but how do you know?
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
"Dude, your dictionary definition listed 7 meanings and you expected people to know you were referring to 1b? It has nothing to do with lack of initiative on my part, but your lack of clarity in communication and lack of courtesy. So my opinions of you does not matter yet you feel free to rant your opinions of me as if it mattered to the discussion? Double standards again? In any case, you failed to show how my earlier understanding was in anyway conflicting with your 1b definition."
I knew its gonna be hard for you but I don't wanna concern myself over anyone's inadequacies. I did not even imply your understanding is contradicting. Since you feel your understanding did not contradict with my definition, how was I not clear?
Enlighten me, what was my opinion about you when there is none worth mentioning?"Your moral of the story is flawed simply because it confuses a physical need which must be met for survival with a cognitive one which would inform how one should live his life. You can die of thirst pretty soon if you don't quench it, but you can also wander about meaninglessly your entire existence. So why wait until thirsty or when, as is usually the case, life crisis happens and then one thinks about more eternal or spiritual matters?"
Hehehe... whatever. My point is completely lost on you.
"Did I insist that everything should be my way? Strawman argument. In any case, it need not be either/or. The one seeking God may well be led by God to the one talking about God."
John 14:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."I don't know what your pity is for, but I surely doubt the sincerity of it. Anyway what's your point?"
That you are blind to your own weakness?
"The person who denies free will has a problem, he needs to ask himself if he came to that conclusion based on his own thinking (which involves freewill) or was he predetermined to come to that conclusion. The dilemma is yours, not mine. I believe in free will. In fact, I am conscious of it every moment. Your denial of it places yourself in a very awkward position, so awkward that you cannot even be coherent to defend it. The moment you CHOOSE to defend the view that no free will exists you have already affirmed free will. "
Yes but how do you know?
Not wanting to concern yourself over my inadequacies? Not your concern that I am unable to grasp "subjective" etc? Just look at all your ad hominem opinions (attacks) here that you certainly find worth mentioning. And if you have no issue with my understanding earlier, then why say I am unable to grasp the point? Taking every opportunity even when there's none, aren't you?
I busted your analogy and you said your point was lost on me? That is so lame sia.
Your John 14:6 quote is totally irrelevant to the point I was making, not to mention you probably don't know what it really means anyway.
What weakness are you accusing me of being blind to? Please relate this to the "God reveals Himself" issue we were on.
As to how I know? Are you asking me a general question of epistemology or what? Are you agreeing with the statement "The moment you CHOOSE to defend the view that no free will exists you have already affirmed free will"?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You are already hijacking this thread with your vulgarities. Since you obviously have anger management issues I think you should seek help, soon.Dude, you are like the social reject that no one wants to be with
Seriously
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Originally posted by laurence82:
Dude, you are like the social reject that no one wants to be with
Seriously
Then why are you so "attracted" to me and keep trolling and stalking me? Eeeww.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Then why are you so "attracted" to me and keep trolling and stalking me? Eeeww.
I guess CHC is where you feel at home
One term my friend describe them was 'a bunch of social rejects'
and i could only see how you fit in
lol
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Originally posted by laurence82:
I guess CHC is where you feel at home
One term my friend describe them was 'a bunch of social rejects'
and i could only see how you fit in
lol
When Jesus came to His own they also rejected Him. Well, it is not surprising that God haters like you would reject God's people, CHC members or not. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
When Jesus came to His own they also rejected Him. Well, it is not surprising that God haters like you would reject God's people, CHC members or not.
I heard they dress rather flamboyantly
Maybe that would help you too
haha
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Originally posted by laurence82:
I heard they dress rather flamboyantly
Maybe that would help you too
haha
You mean like your picture? Eeew.Nah, I dress simply, down to earth, pratical and comfortable. Not flashy or flamboyant like you.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You mean like your picture? Eeew.Nah, I dress simply, down to earth, pratical and comfortable. Not flashy or flamboyant like you.
It means you are worse than CHC peeps
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"Not wanting to concern yourself over my inadequacies? Not your concern that I am unable to grasp "subjective" etc? Just look at all your ad hominem opinions (attacks) here that you certainly find worth mentioning. And if you have no issue with my understanding earlier, then why say I am unable to grasp the point? Taking every opportunity even when there's none, aren't you?"
Fact: you lacked the initiative to consult a dictionary of a word you don't understand. Fact: you were presented the dictionary definition but was unable to choose. Fact:pointed to you the answer and was accused of not being clear.
Where were my opinions? Please consult someone or something to better understand words you are going to use.. I find your abuse of "ad hominems" and "opinions" without basis.
"I busted your analogy and you said your point was lost on me? That is so lame sia."
I'm more than happy to let you enjoy your solipsism.
"Your John 14:6 quote is totally irrelevant to the point I was making, not to mention you probably don't know what it really means anyway."
Well its only through Jesus that one finds God. Nothing hidden here. I mean, who would search for a god with godly hidding powers who chose to hide?
"What weakness are you accusing me of being blind to? Please relate this to the "God reveals Himself" issue we were on."
Your weaknesses are not worth mentioning but I like to put emphasis on being blind. Being blind to something is different from something yet to be revealed.
"As to how I know? Are you asking me a general question of epistemology or what? Are you agreeing with the statement "The moment you CHOOSE to defend the view that no free will exists you have already affirmed free will"?"
ok... How do you choose?
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
"Not wanting to concern yourself over my inadequacies? Not your concern that I am unable to grasp "subjective" etc? Just look at all your ad hominem opinions (attacks) here that you certainly find worth mentioning. And if you have no issue with my understanding earlier, then why say I am unable to grasp the point? Taking every opportunity even when there's none, aren't you?"
Fact: you lacked the initiative to consult a dictionary of a word you don't understand. Fact: you were presented the dictionary definition but was unable to choose. Fact:pointed to you the answer and was accused of not being clear.
Where were my opinions? Please consult someone or something to better understand words you are going to use.. I find your abuse of "ad hominems" and "opinions" without basis.
"I busted your analogy and you said your point was lost on me? That is so lame sia."
I'm more than happy to let you enjoy your solipsism.
"Your John 14:6 quote is totally irrelevant to the point I was making, not to mention you probably don't know what it really means anyway."
Well its only through Jesus that one finds God. Nothing hidden here. I mean, who would search for a god with godly hidding powers who chose to hide?
"What weakness are you accusing me of being blind to? Please relate this to the "God reveals Himself" issue we were on."
Your weaknesses are not worth mentioning but I like to put emphasis on being blind. Being blind to something is different from something yet to be revealed.
"As to how I know? Are you asking me a general question of epistemology or what? Are you agreeing with the statement "The moment you CHOOSE to defend the view that no free will exists you have already affirmed free will"?"
ok... How do you choose?
Fact: I knew what the word "subjective" meant, in its common usage.
Fact: It is common in dialogue to seek clarification when terms are used while also attempting to give a reasonable and plausible interpretation of the term as in "what you mean by XXX? Is it YYYYYY?" which is what I did. If my understanding was correct all you needed to do was to agree. But you can't help it but had to go for a hit and insinuate that I could not grasp what you meant and berate me for not having initiative to check the dictionary. There is no obligation for me to check a word whose meaning I already know.
Fact: You threw out a dictionary that listed SEVEN definitions and picked one (1b). Had I really did not know what the word meant, how can you honestly expect me to pick the same 1b as you? And if I did, which you admitted later, then why accuse me of not grasping it? Why not be upfront about your intentions that you were simply taking the opportunity, or making one, to go for a personal attack?
Bottom line: All you needed to do was to agree or disagree with my understanding of your terms. If correct, say so. If incorrect, then just be kind and clarify what you meant. But your agenda of trying to always be superior and condescending of me got the better of you. Don't act blur and play daft concerning your personal attacks. Is that how you teach your....oops sensitive point, forget it.
You don't even know how to use the word "solipsism" properly, LOL! I guess your ego just won't accept the fact that your analogy was flawed and busted.
You still missed the point of John 14:6 and pretending to be the exegete that you aren't. That verse has NOTHING to do with God's alleged hiddenness at all. Your quoting of this verse is entirely out of context.
You accused me of being blind to my weakness. When asked, you cannot point them out. You then emphasize I am being blind, but again you cannot explain. Looks like you just go personal attack for the sake of personal gratification.
How do I choose? The same way how you chose to ask me that question. Duh.
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"Fact: I knew what the word "subjective" meant, in its common usage."
Apparently you did not know the word "subjective" has 7 definition thats why you seek clarifications. You just assumed what you think is "common" without self check.
"Fact: It is common in dialogue to seek clarification when terms are used while also attempting to give a reasonable and plausible interpretation of the term as in "what you mean by XXX? Is it YYYYYY?" which is what I did."I pointed to you its 1b, what else do you want me to say? A simple thank you would suffice...
"If my understanding was correct all you needed to do was to agree. But you can't help it but had to go for a hit and insinuate that I could not grasp what you meant and berate me for not having initiative to check the dictionary. There is no obligation for me to check a word whose meaning I already know."There's no need for agreement as its for opinions, just understanding of words definitions which you are failing to do. I know there's no obligation on your side, but pointed out that "no obligation" is lack of initiative and a mental block. I don't like to repeat myself but you are making me referring to what you posted.
"Fact: You threw out a dictionary that listed SEVEN definitions and picked one (1b). Had I really did not know what the word meant, how can you honestly expect me to pick the same 1b as you? And if I did, which you admitted later, then why accuse me of not grasping it? Why not be upfront about your intentions that you were simply taking the opportunity, or making one, to go for a personal attack?"
The fact is you assumed you understood "subjective" but did not know there were 7 meanings only show that you did not fully understand. I don't have any expectations especially from you. Zero. Zilch. If you think its a personal attack, means you are taking it personally, which is not my concern.
"Bottom line: All you needed to do was to agree or disagree with my understanding of your terms. If correct, say so. If incorrect, then just be kind and clarify what you meant. But your agenda of trying to always be superior and condescending of me got the better of you. Don't act blur and play daft concerning your personal attacks. Is that how you teach your....oops sensitive point, forget it."
Its either you agree to the dictionary definitions or not, nothing to do with me. Unless you are disagreeing with my usage of subjective justifications. [Ignores other personal rants]
"You don't even know how to use the word "solipsism" properly, LOL! I guess your ego just won't accept the fact that your analogy was flawed and busted."
Whatever... hehehehe. You say its wrong so its wrong to you. What else is new?
"You still missed the point of John 14:6 and pretending to be the exegete that you aren't. That verse has NOTHING to do with God's alleged hiddenness at all. Your quoting of this verse is entirely out of context."
You miss my point again. I'll just brush the dust from my feet.
"You accused me of being blind to my weakness. When asked, you cannot point them out. You then emphasize I am being blind, but again you cannot explain. Looks like you just go personal attack for the sake of personal gratification."
Are you implying you have no weaknesses? Ok... noted.
"How do I choose? The same way how you chose to ask me that question. Duh."
Let me rephrase. How do you choose to act?
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Calvin and Hobbes - By Bill Watterson
Calvin : "See, the problem with fine art is that it's supposed to express original truths."
Calvin : "But who likes originality and truth?! Nobody ! Life hard enough without it! Only an idiot would pay for it!"
Calvin : "But popular art knows the customer is always right! People want more of what they already know they like, so popular art gives it to 'em!"
Hobbes : "And how are the movie sequels this summer?"
Calvin : " Great. Man, there's nothing I hate more than paying five bucks and having to deal with some new plot."
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Rereading my post... no discussions were left. Everything I posted was like offensive to BIC...
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
Rereading my post... no discussions were left. Everything I posted was like offensive to BIC...
That's simply because you WERE being offensive in your postings. And you were relishing every bit of it. I extended the olive branch but you spit on it. So much for "raising communication standards". More like debasing your opponent and raising yourself to look good. Learn something from Oscar please. He shows more maturity in handling a discussion topic at 17 years of age than a father of five. -
I hope I'm not the only one to see from above post what BIC was blind about. Don't mention it.