The world is logically fallacious
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Damn lot of weird people in the world.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
Arguments from your invisible friend do not work on sane people.
I agree! Arguments do not work on Stubborn Atheists Negating Evidence. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I agree! Arguments do not work on Stubborn Atheists Negating Evidence.SANE?
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
"Fact: I knew what the word "subjective" meant, in its common usage."
Apparently you did not know the word "subjective" has 7 definition thats why you seek clarifications. You just assumed what you think is "common" without self check.
"Fact: It is common in dialogue to seek clarification when terms are used while also attempting to give a reasonable and plausible interpretation of the term as in "what you mean by XXX? Is it YYYYYY?" which is what I did."I pointed to you its 1b, what else do you want me to say? A simple thank you would suffice...
"If my understanding was correct all you needed to do was to agree. But you can't help it but had to go for a hit and insinuate that I could not grasp what you meant and berate me for not having initiative to check the dictionary. There is no obligation for me to check a word whose meaning I already know."There's no need for agreement as its for opinions, just understanding of words definitions which you are failing to do. I know there's no obligation on your side, but pointed out that "no obligation" is lack of initiative and a mental block. I don't like to repeat myself but you are making me referring to what you posted.
"Fact: You threw out a dictionary that listed SEVEN definitions and picked one (1b). Had I really did not know what the word meant, how can you honestly expect me to pick the same 1b as you? And if I did, which you admitted later, then why accuse me of not grasping it? Why not be upfront about your intentions that you were simply taking the opportunity, or making one, to go for a personal attack?"
The fact is you assumed you understood "subjective" but did not know there were 7 meanings only show that you did not fully understand. I don't have any expectations especially from you. Zero. Zilch. If you think its a personal attack, means you are taking it personally, which is not my concern.
"Bottom line: All you needed to do was to agree or disagree with my understanding of your terms. If correct, say so. If incorrect, then just be kind and clarify what you meant. But your agenda of trying to always be superior and condescending of me got the better of you. Don't act blur and play daft concerning your personal attacks. Is that how you teach your....oops sensitive point, forget it."
Its either you agree to the dictionary definitions or not, nothing to do with me. Unless you are disagreeing with my usage of subjective justifications. [Ignores other personal rants]
"You don't even know how to use the word "solipsism" properly, LOL! I guess your ego just won't accept the fact that your analogy was flawed and busted."
Whatever... hehehehe. You say its wrong so its wrong to you. What else is new?
"You still missed the point of John 14:6 and pretending to be the exegete that you aren't. That verse has NOTHING to do with God's alleged hiddenness at all. Your quoting of this verse is entirely out of context."
You miss my point again. I'll just brush the dust from my feet.
"You accused me of being blind to my weakness. When asked, you cannot point them out. You then emphasize I am being blind, but again you cannot explain. Looks like you just go personal attack for the sake of personal gratification."
Are you implying you have no weaknesses? Ok... noted.
"How do I choose? The same way how you chose to ask me that question. Duh."
Let me rephrase. How do you choose to act?
Why do I need to be aware of the number of meanings that are listed in the dictionary? This is not a test of knowledge about dictionaries. Duh. You later admittes that my understaning was not contradictory, a simple "you are right" would suffice.As to missing the point on John 14, perhaps I did miss your point but not the point of that verse. Whatever your point was it was irrelevant to that verse. Duh.
Just because I ask you to be specific about what weakness of mine you were referring to you conclude that I think I have no weaknesses at all? What a fallacious conclusion you made!
How I choose to act is no different from how you choose to act. Duh
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Originally posted by charlize:
SANE?
Think about it, if long time defender of atheism Anthony Flew can be persuaded of the arguments for theism and abandon atheism, then the ordinary layman atheist can do no less. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Why do I need to be aware of the number of meanings that are listed in the dictionary? This is not a test of knowledge about dictionaries. Duh. You later admittes that my understaning was not contradictory, a simple "you are right" would suffice.As to missing the point on John 14, perhaps I did miss your point but not the point of that verse. Whatever your point was it was irrelevant to that verse. Duh.
Just because I ask you to be specific about what weakness of mine you were referring to you conclude that I think I have no weaknesses at all? What a fallacious conclusion you made!
How I choose to act is no different from how you choose to act. Duh
wonder if yr god is just as stubborn as u?is it becoz of yr religion tat dun allows u to admit yr mistakes or its just u?
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Originally posted by lce:
wonder if yr god is just as stubborn as u?is it becoz of yr religion tat dun allows u to admit yr mistakes or its just u?
I don't claim to be infallible in the first place, so your question is rather absurd. The Bible teaches us to recognise our human frailty and in the book of Acts we have believers correcting each other, so your point that the Bible forbids admitting mistakes is a gross misunderstanding or ignorance of what it teaches. -
I have to clarify. I did not admit BIC understanding was not contradictory. Its purely his assumption. The rest is up for all to discern.
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ignore the troll lah
he is going around spouting rubbish
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Originally posted by laurence82:
ignore the troll lah
he is going around spouting rubbish
He thinks that everybody's thinking the same way as him... or just avoiding my question " How do you choose to act?" in the context of freewill discussion... Either way, he is reacting negatively to me so id ignore his attempts.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
He thinks that everybody's thinking the same way as him... or just avoiding my question " How do you choose to act?" in the context of freewill discussion... Either way, he is reacting negatively to me so id ignore his attempts.
i rather think he is trolling, and no one else agree with him
he also ends off everything with 'you are atheist'
he is just plain trolling
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Can't deny his knowledge on creationism is rarely seen in secular forums. That's his value in discussion. The rest of him just drag this jem down. Its a pity...
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
I have to clarify. I did not admit BIC understanding was not contradictory. Its purely his assumption. The rest is up for all to discern.
Always trying to be ambiguous, ya? So you are not implying in your 4 July 11:31am post that my understanding was contradicting, but then you also refuse to say whether my understanding was correct, and you want the readers to discern what? Duh -
Quote please.
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If you understood and agree with the dictionary's definition, what is left to disagree about?.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
He thinks that everybody's thinking the same way as him... or just avoiding my question " How do you choose to act?" in the context of freewill discussion... Either way, he is reacting negatively to me so id ignore his attempts.
If everybody is thinking the same way as me, then no need for me to argue in the first place. Duh. And mind you, you avoided my question first in my 3 July 5:43pm post with regards to free will. Don't act blur now. And I do not recall you acting positively to me either. For me, I tried but you spit on my good intentions. So now it is just different strokes for different folks. -
Originally posted by laurence82:
i rather think he is trolling, and no one else agree with him
he also ends off everything with 'you are atheist'
he is just plain trolling
A lot of people would have thought Noah was trolling when he preached to them about the impending judgement of water. No one else agreed with him excep his family. The reat all perished save those on the Ark. And I did not end off everything with "you are an atheist." But then it seems to me pretty clear that YOU ARE ATHEIST. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
If everybody is thinking the same way as me, then no need for me to argue in the first place. Duh. And mind you, you avoided my question first in my 3 July 5:43pm post with regards to free will. Don't act blur now. And I do not recall you acting positively to me either. For me, I tried but you spit on my good intentions. So now it is just different strokes for different folks.
You did reply you think and you chose to act the same way I did... Contradicting... Thus my conclusion.
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
If you understood and agree with the dictionary's definition, what is left to disagree about?.
If you did not find my understanding incorrect, then why say I failed to grasp it? Why were you being so disagreeable back there? -
Ane
like the wise words from other forumers here
ignore the troll
he just wants attention and wants you to react
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Originally posted by Aneslayer:
You did reply you think and you chose to act the same way I did... Contradicting... Thus my conclusion.
You failed to get the point. Those who deny free will will act exactly the same way as those who affirm free will. It is the determinist who is inconsistent and self-contradictory. If you even say you choose A over B, how can you be using the language of free will and yet deny it exists? -
Originally posted by laurence82:
Ane
like the wise words from other forumers here
ignore the troll
he just wants attention and wants you to react
Like the way people say to ignore you since Nov 2003? Duh. -
Originally posted by laurence82:
ignore the troll lah
he is going around spouting rubbish
The Bible is correct, the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. 1 Cor 1:18 -
Originally posted by laurence82:
Ane
like the wise words from other forumers here
ignore the troll
he just wants attention and wants you to react
Speaking for yourself laurence? Duh -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
If you did not find my understanding incorrect, then why say I failed to grasp it? Why were you being so disagreeable back there?When you asked "But what in the world is a subjective justification?"
When I provided a dictionary's definitions, you couldn't pick the correct one.
When I told you the correct answer, you said "Dude, your dictionary definition listed 7 meanings and you expected people to know you were referring to 1b?..." rhetorically, which translates that you did not know there were several meaning to the word "subjective". How can you say you grasped it? Blind pride? There was practically nothing for me to disagree about...