bond breakers = suckers ???
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Opps! Pardon my late reply! Slept early last night..... *GRINZ* Well, the flock of sheep I am referring to is the bond-breakers and the black sheeps will be those who already have intentions to break the bond even before signing up for the scholarship! When I say that you should not pin-point, I mean you should not deem all bond-breakers to be the same as different people has different reason and of course different aspiration upon graduation. I am sure those who have intention to break their bond right from the beginning belong to the minority group and many actually want to continue to serve the bond except that the working environment may not be suitable for them now that they have different and higer expectations maybe.Originally posted by moose:Well,the black sheeps you are speaking of are those from the bond breakers or those from the scholars?If they are from the bond breakers,then who are the black sheep in that group?If they are from the scholars groups,i presume the black sheep are those bond breakers rite?Kindly enlighten me ass i will reply once i get ur post and after i see my dino show,heheeh
As Revelations has said, it's not a free lunch after all, those bond breakers got to pay back and in higher sum too! Is it wrong of those bond-breakers to follow their hearts and to carry on with what they really want? Don't you think that it'll be better for them to break their bond and go work in a company which they really want to and put in 100% effort than stick around due to some "moral" obligation? There will be greater productivity then since those bond-breakers are after all scholars and we will want them to contribute to society, though in a different sector now. :p
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Since a number of foxes moved to the other forest in search for greener pastures, lion had been thinking. "Had I not been paying my advisors well? Of course I hadn't. They wouldn't have left if I had"
Lion refuse to see that commitment and loyalty and moral obligations should be his concern and decides to increase fox's pay packet to keep them in. Lion held an impromptu forest meeting to announce the advisor wage raising issue. Now the forest wasn't happy (less the foxes of course, who are sniggering now). Just 2 years ago, the forest went though a drought and a famine.. life was bad, and many animals can't hunt enough to feed the family till today.
Despite the usual protest, lion went ahead to increase foxes' paypacket believing that it will keep them as his advisor. "Top salaries for my best man!" said lion.
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Oki,i am quite pissed off by those bond breakers who have the attitude of signing up for the bond and have no whatsoever intention serving their bond later on,i mean,if you have no intention of serving your bond,why sign on in the 1st place and deprive someone else of the chance to get your scholarship and who is able to serve the bond fully?heehe
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I am sure tat nobody here wants to make a bad career choice and suffer 5/6 years down the road cos he made the wrong choice. On taking out scholarships, one outta have already planned for his/her career ahead and not juz taking the scholarship cos it looks good on his resume.
If one complains abt the shitload of work piled upon him and says tat he shldn't have taken out this scholarship if he'd known it, then FACE THE FACTS! The work's same everywhere, newbies DEFINITELY get bullied in one form or another. U don't expect a scholar to sit there and relax while the rest of em does the work right??
Also another thing is to PLAN AHEAD. JC Students, University Students are the so-called 'cream-of-crop' of society and they outta have known the effects of 'planning later' and 'planning ahead'. Besides asking for more information abt the scholarship, they outta have asked others abt the scholarship and then come to a decision. And NOT take out the scholarship cos of it's prestige and complain abt the work later on!
My salutes to the 127 Scholarship holders who've signed the pledge tat they will serve out their bonds.
A Billion curses on those scholarship bond-breakers who PLAN to break their bonds (wif or wifout serving a single minute).
A Zillion curses on those MALE scholarship holders who have completed their NS and BROKE their bonds!
It seems that National Service have not changed their way of thinking and instil the word INTEGRTY into their heads. Even me as an RP (the lowest 'lifeform' in NS) knows wat it means to Yin Shui Si Yuan. Seessh, seems tat OCS training for these Male scholarship bond-breakers didn't do any good.
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ehhh...me not a taxpayer loh...so dun relli concern me "directly"...
but i do think tt bond-breakers are irresponsible creeps...and dishonest too...and somemore they are highly-educated elites...
there are some bond-free scholarships nowadays...but there are other conditions...like "repaying" (a certian percentage) when u start work...or there are certain companies u must work for...
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I guess it is understandable for everyone to be upset over the comments made by the scholar. And justifiably so. It simply shows that you all hold this group of scholars in high regards, and harbouring such thoughts are deemed unthinkable and unforgiveable. Totally understandable. But if you think of them as normal human beings, might be hard, but do try. The only fault now is simply putting self ahead of firm. Well, will that be shocking then???
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Normal human beings who have the chance to be able to get something that other normal human beings want and can't get and having the scholars behaving this way where they have themselves utmost in their mind instead of the firm that gave them their scholarship,no wonder people get angry,heheeOriginally posted by Revelations:I guess it is understandable for everyone to be upset over the comments made by the scholar. And justifiably so. It simply shows that you all hold this group of scholars in high regards, and harbouring such thoughts are deemed unthinkable and unforgiveable. Totally understandable. But if you think of them as normal human beings, might be hard, but do try. The only fault now is simply putting self ahead of firm. Well, will that be shocking then???
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Yeah, totally justifiable to be mad. But remember what was said at the press conference about this issue, don't be too affected by the thoughts of these 11 kids and knock down the entire ship. They represent the minorities afterall.
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Yup,i am not mad at scholars overall,just those who are in the minority who give them a bad name,heeheh
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Yeap, went out with my friends and ex-tutor just now. Talking about this issue, my tutor too condemned the 11 scholars who spoke out. She shared my sentiments that the students were dumb to let go such information which should be kept to themselves, to the press. Apart from that, the very fact that they do not honour their words at the time they put their signature lessens the credibility of their words in the future. From the conversation, I agreed too that there must be a sense of responsibility in that. However, I still stick to my earlier statement that the fact they deprive other scholars of choice does not stand.
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Some of those scholars i bet are not that really need and some are quite well to do from what i have seen of Government scholars,none really need the scholarship as they definitely want the scholarship in name only and have no wish to serve their bond.I am sure none are son's of taxi drivers or security guards and even if there is,they are in the minority.Those scholars who are well to do and yet wish to scholarship to show off on their resume are selfish as they are depriving someone who really wish to have the scholarship and serve their bond a chance to do so and in the end,the organisation that gives out the scholarship and those who need the financial help are at the losing end,heheeOriginally posted by Revelations:However, I still stick to my earlier statement that the fact they deprive other scholars of choice does not stand.
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..now potential bond breakers. The next time anyone ask you about serving out your obligations. SAY THIS!
"Singapore is my home. Its the land that nurtured me. It is only right that I return to serve the same country that I am greatly indepted to. I love my home and its people."
Can't imagine that seemingly smart people got such a low charisma. Even my first level character in Ultima Online has a higher charisma than you ... -
Well, for overseas scholarships provided by the government and other stat boards, what do they provide the scholars??? In no particular order of importance:
1) Cash - over a quarter of a million big ones spread over a period of four years - which means no need to depend on your parents or bank loans for money.
2) Prestige - the term scholar is definitely an attractive point for many, and with the term scholar in one's CV, it is definitely the icing on the cake with the cherry on top.
3) Self-worth - the opportunity to prove to oneself of one's worth, the sense of fulfilment and confidence, which is important, the ability after a series of gruelling tests to say, just did it.
4) Job security - the insurance that after completing a degree, there will be a post, and an important one too, awaiting when you return.
Therefore, for me, any of the above is equally good a motivation to apply for a scholarship. Competition is intense, and only the best man wins. So well, irregardless of whether or not those who hanker the other three motivations rather than the first are selfish, the fact is, everyone competes on an equal footing. The system can't satisfy all. So, no selfish or not selfish lah, all these are transparent.
And err...... regarding the charisma part, if there is someone who really thinks that way, please let me know. Rare species, I would definitely wish to meet such a person.
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I do know that some government scholars are quite well off and definitely can do without the cash,but they wish for the prestige only and have no intention of serving their bond which provides them with job security.To think that a scholarship meant for needy people to study overseas and for them to contribute back to the organisation in return are given to those seeking prestige only.What price prestige?ehehe
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If only those guys give a chance to others who need more then they theirselves do.it be more meaningful this way...
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Hahahaha, well, for the justifications that I put, there are definitely those who put more value in one over the others. For a needy student, it is definitely the first justification which overrules the rest, but for others, maybe one of the other three overrules the first??? All in all, I still believe that the fundamental purpose of a scholarship is not to fund the student's passageway to an overseas degree. In other countries, yes (and there is usually no bonds attached), in Singapore, I don't think so. It is simply an award given to the cream of the crop, in exchange for the six best years of their lives (used to be eight somemore). In short, it is sort of a business transaction on the government's part. They provide the money, you provide them the youth.
If my news is not incorrect, DBS bank has recently changed the system of its scholarship, since it too recognises this fact. Upon completion of the scholarship, there is now another choice open. Instead of serving out the bond, one can instead choose to repay the entire expenses over the years in the form of a bank loan. Not bad I should think.
So one question though, would it be justifiable to say that a rich kid is any less worthy of a scholarship and that a family income ceiling be imposed to all scholarship applicants??? And should the family income of an applicant be indexed as one of the chief considerations in awarding the scholarship??
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Those bond breakers sucks
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Well,some scholars seem to want the $$$,but not to pay back in terms of youth.Originally posted by Revelations:It is simply an award given to the cream of the crop, in exchange for the six best years of their lives (used to be eight somemore). In short, it is sort of a business transaction on the government's part. They provide the money, you provide them the youth.
Nope,rather those well to do people should just study at their own expense which they can do reasonably well instead of competing with other less well to do people for scholarships and then turning around and refusing to serve the bond.Originally posted by Revelations:So one question though, would it be justifiable to say that a rich kid is any less worthy of a scholarship and that a family income ceiling be imposed to all scholarship applicants??? And should the family income of an applicant be indexed as one of the chief considerations in awarding the scholarship??
To use a similar analogy : If you see a rich person driving up in a Mercedes and stopping by the Salvation Army HQ to rummage for free stuff while using his chauffeur to shoo the rest of the needy away so he can pick his stuff,what are your thoughts on it?heeheh
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Regarding giving chance, I tend to liken the competition amidst the scholars to maybe the competition among major firms in Singapore. Would one big firm say give chance to the small firm when faced with a business opportunity simply because it doesn't need this to survive??? It is a dog eat dog, cat eat cat and moose eat moose world outside, hehehe......
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Yup,the world is cruel,why make it anymore crueler?heehe
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Hahaha, well, they want to $$$, and refuse to pay back in terms of youth, so they pay back in terms of $$$, plus more $$$ in the form of very high interests, isn't that true???Originally posted by moose:Well,some scholars seem to want the $$$,but not to pay back in terms of youth.
Hahaha, well, that would mean that rather than risk the possibility of bond breaking, the government should apply that income ceiling to deny themselves of the possibility that from these high income families, there might exist someone of calibre who can be groomed into one of our future leaders??Originally posted by moose:Nope,rather those well to do people should just study at their own expense which they can do reasonably well instead of competing with other less well to do people for scholarships and then turning around and refusing to serve the bond.
Hehehehe, that's why within the Salvation Army HQ there are the Salvation Army stuff who would distribute the free stuff appropriately to the needy. There is a filtering medium, just like for the scholarships, there is a board, so not anyone who wants the stuff can get it, right??Originally posted by moose:To use a similar analogy : If you see a rich person driving up in a Mercedes and stopping by the Salvation Army HQ to rummage for free stuff while using his chauffeur to shoo the rest of the needy away so he can pick his stuff,what are your thoughts on it?heeheh
Hahahaha, how about this, if you can't change them, why not join them??Original message by moose:Yup,the world is cruel,why make it anymore crueler?heehe
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Oh yeah,but not everything can be equated with $$$ nowadays,after all,even if they have the $$ to pay back,it also reflects on their character and their thinking that as long as you have $$$,not being able to keep to a contract or your word is ok,heeheOriginally posted by Revelations:Hahaha, well, they want to $$$, and refuse to pay back in terms of youth, so they pay back in terms of $$$, plus more $$$ in the form of very high interests, isn't that true???
But the possibility is remote as so far,those bond breakers seem to be from high income family and this may give you a rough approximation of how people from that income group think although there are some who are the exception,and i suggest that the criteria for selecting scholars should be tighen as it's obvious that it's not good enough,maybe as Francis Fukuyama said,it has something to do with our morals,after all,if they have the proper morals,this problem won't arise in the 1st place,hehee
Hahaha, well, that would mean that rather than risk the possibility of bond breaking, the government should apply that income ceiling to deny themselves of the possibility that from these high income families, there might exist someone of calibre who can be groomed into one of our future leaders??
Hehehehe, that's why within the Salvation Army HQ there are the Salvation Army stuff who would distribute the free stuff appropriately to the needy. There is a filtering medium, just like for the scholarships, there is a board, so not anyone who wants the stuff can get it, right??
But what if the rich guy turns up in rags,how is the salvation army going to know who is the rich trying to take advantage and save a few $$ and who are the truly needy?After all,an item given to a truly needy person,the needy person will appreciate it more than someone who is able to just buy it from the shelves,but chose not to as he can get it free albeit not in very good condition from the Salvation Army,heeh
Hahahaha, how about this, if you can't change them, why not join them??
Hahaha,i not so hard hearted person,so i cannot find myself being cruel to others unless they really deserve it,so i just be kind hearted and live my life this way,no need to join the gang as the gang is not worth joining,heheeh
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Hor hor, u implying that people with a little more money should not be awarded scholarships, and shouldn't be presented with the same opportunities as the rest of their peers, prejudice......tsk tsk tsk, heheheOriginally posted by moose:But the possibility is remote as so far,those bond breakers seem to be from high income family and this may give you a rough approximation of how people from that income group think although there are some who are the exception,and i suggest that the criteria for selecting scholars should be tighen as it's obvious that it's not good enough,maybe as Francis Fukuyama said,it has something to do with our morals,after all,if they have the proper morals,this problem won't arise in the 1st place,hehee
Hehehehe, that's why within the Salvation Army HQ there are the Salvation Army stuff who would distribute the free stuff appropriately to the needy. There is a filtering medium, just like for the scholarships, there is a board, so not anyone who wants the stuff can get it, right??Originally posted by moose:But what if the rich guy turns up in rags,how is the salvation army going to know who is the rich trying to take advantage and save a few $$ and who are the truly needy?After all,an item given to a truly needy person,the needy person will appreciate it more than someone who is able to just buy it from the shelves,but chose not to as he can get it free albeit not in very good condition from the Salvation Army,heeh
Hahahaha, ok ok, can see u good guy, but be careful hor, dunt let urself kena bully by not so good guys out there *evil grin*Originally posted by moose:Hahaha,i not so hard hearted person,so i cannot find myself being cruel to others unless they really deserve it,so i just be kind hearted and live my life this way,no need to join the gang as the gang is not worth joining,heheeh
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Hehehehe, that's why within the Salvation Army HQ there are the Salvation Army stuff who would distribute the free stuff appropriately to the needy. There is a filtering medium, just like for the scholarships, there is a board, so not anyone who wants the stuff can get it, right??Originally posted by Revelations:Hahahaha, ok ok, can see u good guy, but be careful hor, dunt let urself kena bully by not so good guys out there *evil grin*
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How does the board know a truly needy person from one who is actually pretending?hehee
Hahahaha, ok ok, can see u good guy, but be careful hor, dunt let urself kena bully by not so good guys out there *evil grin*
So far haven't happen yet and even if something bad does happen,i believe that person will get his just desserts someday,so why worry,heeheh.
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