Foreign Talent or Singaporean
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Except in the area of research, i have yet to see a white collar job that singaporean can't do.
Our MIW did not list out those white collar jobs that only FT can do which singaporean can't. They only list out the cleaners/ construction/ marine etc.
Actually, i think our MIW at the ivory tower as long can receive their monthly pay, they happy liao. Why they want to bother so much..... except for some wayang show, must do
In the end, no point blaming the MIW. It is easier to change oneself. You have to zhen1 qi4. -
Really , think about it ....Singapore just gets the reject 2nd class or 3rd class talents that cannot get into usa or europe for top jobs there. USA and europe get the top guns hence the brain drain phenomena. Bleh ...the rejects love singapore because everything is provided....those are the ones who cannot make it big in their countries and have to look elsewhere to make it big. So we sacrifice our own to give those people a chance in our turf...that's clever*GAGS*Originally posted by Parka:
You can't learn/grow as much without foreign talent, unless you're already that damn good in the first place.
They are here simply because of economics.
There's a demand for their expertise here.
As to foreign talents replacing Singaporeans' jobs. You don't have to go into the field the foreign talent is in. Or if you want to do so, make sure you're better than them. If I'm an employer, I'll see which one is more capable of making money for me, not where they come from.
Here because of economics and demand for their expertise? With all due respect , HAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Why are some singaporeans migrating? I know that some of those fellow Singaporeans in Australia are fed up of "foreign talents" in Singapore, those foreign talents talk alot but produce next to nothing . Some of my fellow men are making it good now in Australia but in Singapore they could have been retrenched by now. Those are not quitters ...those are local talents who were never given a chance . So don't tell me that foreign talents are better than singaporeans because I know some Singaporeans are better than those lousy 2nd /3rd class foreign talents.
Oh ya my dad says some top level executive ang mohs in singapore are fun to deal with . Their written english and their reasoning are lousy (bearing in mind they come from english speaking countries) - worse than a jc kid, so he enjoys correcting them in front of everyone. Best of all , they talk alot but produce nothing......all are just hot air but people follow them because they can talk. When u ask them questions about their work...suddenly u get a run around. Those are the talents singapore wants...those are the talents Singapore gets.
It just saddens me that my own country won't look after our own Singaporeans by OUR birthright . Other countries look after their own , nurture their own FIRST while ours concentrate on FT first. U can disagree with me on that but this sentiment is shared by people I know ...some singaporeans and some ex singaporeans in Australia. We can all say let's change the policy....now that is not going to happen - we can blame it on the government , we can blame it on companies ...but at the end of the day , if u can't beat the policy , u use the policy in ur own way.
That 's why if singaporeans who know or work with me in Australia , I will look after them better than the rest because we are all singaporeans and there are some talents among our kind which are not discovered.
What Singapore has now is a brain drain ....the so called "quitters" are actually the ones who make it overseas and some don't come back because of the attractive working conditions. Australia has the same problem with what they call a brain drain on their side ...the good ones run to USA to work and do well there but they don't call them "quitters" ...the australians who make it overseas are still called proudly Australians and they do try to entice them back .
The way I see it .Singapore can continously employ mercenaries but ultimately if Singapore doesn't train our own to compete on a global level then Singapore will always perpetually depend on foreign talents .Read the history of Malacca , the kingdom died out because of mercenary fighters against a foreign invader: The portuguese....keeping in mind in the modern context of Singapore's situation will be like that but probably we will be controlled by foreign companies and foreigners .So much for economic defence . You can disagree with me on that but you cannot deny history pretty much repeats itself -
it's very hard to attract the elites as the competition for their expertise is very intense. however, i believe that Singapore has already been constantly marketing itself out in hope that we would be able to draw some of these top guns to our turf. However, becoz of this marketing and relatively lax regulations, we attract a lot of cons and this is definitely undesirable.
Really , think about it ....Singapore just gets the reject 2nd class or 3rd class talents that cannot get into usa or europe for top jobs there. USA and europe get the top guns hence the brain drain phenomena. Bleh ...the rejects love singapore because everything is provided....those are the ones who cannot make it big in their countries and have to look elsewhere to make it big. So we sacrifice our own to give those people a chance in our turf...that's clever*GAGS*
only way is that Singaporeans prove themselves to be better than these fakes who invade our economy.
I dun think that Singaporeans were sacrificed in any sense except that they must learn that ang mos r not at all better than us in anyway and that we would have to fight harder for our own positions and prove that our capabilities are better than them, yet at the same time maintaining a pose that we welcome the elite foreign talent, not those who don't make the cut.
then we gotta prove it. dun tell me no chance.
Here because of economics and demand for their expertise? With all due respect , HAHAHAHHAHAHAH. Why are some singaporeans migrating? I know that some of those fellow Singaporeans in Australia are fed up of "foreign talents" in Singapore, those foreign talents talk alot but produce next to nothing . Some of my fellow men are making it good now in Australia but in Singapore they could have been retrenched by now. Those are not quitters ...those are local talents who were never given a chance . So don't tell me that foreign talents are better than singaporeans because I know some Singaporeans are better than those lousy 2nd /3rd class foreign talents.
chances are not given, they are fought for
Take the chance and prove u're better.
Oh ya my dad says some top level executive ang mohs in singapore are fun to deal with . Their written english and their reasoning are lousy (bearing in mind they come from english speaking countries) - worse than a jc kid, so he enjoys correcting them in front of everyone. Best of all , they talk alot but produce nothing......all are just empty air but people follow them because they can talk. When u ask them questions about their work...suddenly u get a run around. Those are the talents singapore wants...those are the talents Singapore gets.
too bad all the foreign talent around me are really foreign talents. =( no chance for me TT
wad policy? everything has their loopholes, just gotta exploit it. if the company u're working for intends only to hire foreign talents, set up a rival one and employ only Singaporeans and beat em.
It just saddens me that my own country won't look after our own Singaporeans by OUR birthright . Other countries look after their own , nurture their own FIRST while ours concentrate on FT first. U can disagree with me on that but this sentiment is shared by people I know ...some singaporeans and some ex singaporeans in Australia. We can all say let's change the policy....now that is not going to happen - we can blame it on the government , we can blame it on companies ...but at the end of the day , if u can't beat the policy , u use the policy in ur own way.
I do believe that Singapore's education is one of the best in the world curriculum-wise and it in its sense is already helping to nurture talents in Singapore. If u feel that you're not given the chance, fight for it, or even better, MAKE it.
Singapore has too little people compared to Australia therefore we have much more to lose when a brain drain occurs.
What Singapore has now is a brain drain ....the so called "quitters" are actually the ones who make it overseas and some don't come back because of the attractive working conditions. Australia has the same problem with what they call a brain drain on their side ...the good ones run to USA to work and do well there but they don't call them "quitters" ...the australians who make it overseas are still called proudly Australians and they do try to entice them back
However, I believe that people are free to make their own choices and their choices should therefore be respected. Labelling them is as good as telling them we do not want them back and ostracising them and making them feel as if they are not part of the nation. This would no doubt make them more determined to not care about Singapore once they leave. A Singaporean can still live overseas and still feel about their homeland
yesss yesshh history is cyclic in nature...
The way I see it .Singapore can continously employ mercenaries but ultimately if Singapore doesn't train our own to compete on a global level then Singapore will always perpetually depend on foreign talents .Read the history of Malacca , the kingdom died out because of mercenary fighters against a foreign invader: The portuguese....keeping in mind in the modern context of Singapore's situation will be like that but probably we will be controlled by foreign companies and foreigners .So much for economic defence . You can disagree with me on that but you cannot deny history pretty much repeats itself
So what's gonna happen if Singaporeans don't want to care about Singapore?
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Policy I am referring to is the foreign talent policy - u can't beat it ...u become a foreign talentOriginally posted by Fluffy.white.sheeP:yesss yesshh history is cyclic in nature...
So what's gonna happen if Singaporeans don't want to care about Singapore?
especially those living overseas?
the Singaporean education system is excellent , no doubt. So my question is why are we employing those foreign talents then? Because they are better? We have singaporeans who are doing well overseas. Why not entice them?
I already made it out overseas (I was in the normal stream) because I was lucky my parents sacrificed their life savings for me to go out of the country and study which I did. My University awarded me a scholarship that paid for half my tuition fees because I was doing better than the award scholars from Singapore in my course . I was in the top ranks. When I came back...my salary was about a few hundred less than a scholar ( I know whom had a 2nd upper) even tho my results were 1st class honors (which is above a 2nd upper). Why I asked?."BECAUSE THEY SHOW LEADERSHIP QUALITIES"....right from their academic performance from primary school til university . I made a mistake as a kid who didn't know better and that maimed my future in Singapore.Albert Einstein probably continue to be a poor patent clerk in Singapore if he was a singaporean
I had no choice but to pack up and leave if I wanted my future to be what I want it to be. Bright and shiny IN THE FUTURE ...not to be hindered by my PAST education results . Not easy to migrate out ...u have to tear urself off from a place u love , ur family and everything in the comfort zone. I have several career pathways and a house I like in just 2 years. I still cannot say I made it because there is a long way to go but I can say if I stayed back - I won't have anything
The resentment is there and it still lingers. Do you know how much it hurts when a foreign university gives u a scholarship and asks u to stay on while u went back to serve a country who doesn't seem to care about u ? I do care about Singapore because it is my homeland and there is a sentiment there but does Singapore care about me? "Quitters" was a label that GCT called singaporeans who migrated in his 2002 rally speech if I am not wrong. It really make me realise something ...maybe singapore doesn't care about me at all . -
reality is always painful
but the fact that u're in this forum shows that u still care about Singapore to some extent rite?
well life's nv fair so it's wonderful that u've made your mark and all best out there. -
And I don't think I am the only one who feels that way overseas. I met Singaporeans in Australia and most asked me how to get into australia. Why? Because sentiments are the same..no job ...taken up by foreigners . People can tell us to go and get out of Singapore but it won't fix the problem of why singaporeans want to leave not serve singapore. People have said migrating singaporeans are materialistic and do not bother about the country at all but face the facts...we look after foreign talents better than our own . In fact they can say anything they want. If I didn't care about my country, I would not be even bothered about helping out my fellow singaporeans overseas.
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Wow! are the minority going to breed us locals out???Originally posted by SnowFlag:Out of the 4 million ppl, i think 1 million is Foreign/PR.
Actually, most of the so call "foreign talent" the govt is refering to are the ones who are holding the high posts not the poor indian, indonesian and whatever that is doing the jobs the Singaporeans turn their noses. The talent part is never proven and cannot be proven, mostly I see is that these white foreign trash gets to the top say our local big bank that started with a "d", then he gets more of his friends into high posts and outst the local and put them into lower level jobs. They just B.S. better and have an accent and really talent is something I've never seen in any of them. Most of these white trash cannot find work in their own lands and so they come over and project themselves are better then locals, and the Bak-jiu got Stamp govt believe them and decided to convince the locals that we are not good enough and need these morons to help run our companies and countries to make our country better. But do they need to make our country or companies better or all they want is the expat pay package and priviledge. If there is a serious depression, you think they stick around? Its all just money talk and as someone said, govt is govt. You must know the power is just passing from father to son with an intermission in between who is also related. So what can anyone do or say. Its the empire run in the most dogmatic manner with extremely limit democracy closer to autocracy. -
Was in Changi General Hospital recently, I noticed they employed a Filipina for simple hospital admisson job. Also they were thinking of employing Filipinos for Teachers' Aides rather than Singaporeans. I'm sure a lot of older Singaporeans won't mind applying since so many are still jobless.
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true .... even public sectors also dont want to hire old SingaporeansOriginally posted by gerrykoh:Was in Changi General Hospital recently, I noticed they employed a Filipina for simple hospital admisson job. Also they were thinking of employing Filipinos for Teachers' Aides rather than Singaporeans. I'm sure a lot of older Singaporeans won't mind applying since so many are still jobless.
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Singaporean simply too choosy
i received a call from one of our fellow citizen inquired about a vacant position. he told me our office simply too far away from his place: upper serangoon road, well... my office is located at jalan besar, near new world center and if im not wrong, they is a lot of buses for him to choose from and travel down here.
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Agreed!Originally posted by mistyblue:Actually, most of the so call "foreign talent" the govt is refering to are the ones who are holding the high posts not the poor indian, indonesian and whatever that is doing the jobs the Singaporeans turn their noses. The talent part is never proven and cannot be proven, mostly I see is that these white foreign trash gets to the top say our local big bank that started with a "d", then he gets more of his friends into high posts and outst the local and put them into lower level jobs. They just B.S. better and have an accent and really talent is something I've never seen in any of them. Most of these white trash cannot find work in their own lands and so they come over and project themselves are better then locals, and the Bak-jiu got Stamp govt believe them and decided to convince the locals that we are not good enough and need these morons to help run our companies and countries to make our country better. But do they need to make our country or companies better or all they want is the expat pay package and priviledge. If there is a serious depression, you think they stick around? Its all just money talk and as someone said, govt is govt. You must know the power is just passing from father to son with an intermission in between who is also related. So what can anyone do or say. Its the empire run in the most dogmatic manner with extremely limit democracy closer to autocracy.