1 dead, 3 missing in S'pore Naval ship mishap
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It's not a cruiser. Hell, it's not even a gunboat! It's only a small patrol vessel...Originally posted by gogogogo:Remember, Courageous is an anti-submarine battle cruiser - and she has to live up to her name.
Navy guys help me out:
In order of size: (abbreviations from frigates onward are for USN ships)
Patrol Vessel (PA)
Gunboat (Our MGBs)
Corvette (like our MCVs)
Frigate (FF)
Destroyer (DD)
Cruiser (CA/CG)
Battleship (BB) -
In order of size:
Missile Gunboat (MGB)
Patrol Vessel (PV) / Anti-submarine Patrol Vessel (APV)
Missile Corvette (MCV)
Landing Ship Tank (LST)
Frigate (FF) [upcoming] -
Originally posted by xavier1979:
wah! the MGB is knn smaller than the PV ah?
[b]In order of size:
Missile Gunboat (MGB)
Patrol Vessel (PV) / Anti-submarine Patrol Vessel (APV)
Missile Corvette (MCV)
Landing Ship Tank (LST)
Frigate (FF) [upcoming]
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didn't know that... heehee.
cool, you're gonna get cool new toys soon. I also want...
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In layman term: You stand up straight and look straight. I bet you can't see your toes.Originally posted by moose:Ships have radar to detect any objects in the area.But all radar have a minimum distance where objects are not detected. -
Do you park your car in the expressway? In such a bad sea state, i don't think any boat would want to 'park in the water'.Originally posted by kohanson:Yah lor, the large vessel is so huge that it's 293 metres in length, aroung the size of 3 football fields, it will take the ship around 1km to bring it down to 0 knots. the RSS couraegeous could just change it's course within a few seconds.. but I think the RSS Couraegeous is parking in the water.. sigh.
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I'm sure the captain would want to rescue the girls at the risk of fouling compartment integrity. there is afterall more than enough life-raft onboard. he is a nice man.Originally posted by moose:Au contraire.Seeing the damage done,i am surprise the ship didn't sink.In fact,kudos must be given to the crew who reacted swiftly to contain the leakage and to the person who gave the decision to shut off the compartment to prevent the rest of the ships from being flooded,even though there may be people inside there.
A pity the rescuers failed to get to the girls. Those mens could be emotionally affected. Hope they do not blame themselves. -
in choppy sea state? I would prefer them search using the life-raft though they will still be at the tidal waves mercy.Originally posted by gogogogo:If any of them were to dive into the seas and search for the 3 other servicewomen who were missing, the end might have been happier. -
One more thing is that the merchant ship did not just disappear after ramming into the stern of Courageous. Chances are, the merchant ship had pushed Courgaeous a certain distance before tow ships arrived to separate the two. With a crushed compartment, it is hard to rescue the trapped crew. The only thing to do is to ensure water-tight integrity such that the entire vessel does not sink.
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It's truly very sad.Imagine losing your gf just before marriage.Originally posted by millennium:Can see on her bf sad face just now. -
30 is the minimum amount of crew needed to man the ship to a satisfactory level.Trainees are posted onboard the ship for their training phase and are not counted as operational crew.Therefore,sometimes the ships carry more people that is stated.Originally posted by gogogogo:A correction to my latest posting here. According to the technical capabilities record of the APV, Courageous can only carry a total of 30 officers and crewmen. Many apologies.
Still, that is just the written specifications. She might be able to carry more, but with safety compromised. -
With the huge choppy ways and the pitch darkness,the chances of locating them are negligible.Originally posted by YI:in choppy sea state? I would prefer them search using the life-raft though they will still be at the tidal waves mercy. -
It's not just compromising compartment integrity.It's saving the lives of the other people on board the ships.It may sound harsh,but it's better to sacrifice 4 people to save 44 others than vice versa.Originally posted by YI:I'm sure the captain would want to rescue the girls at the risk of fouling compartment integrity. there is afterall more than enough life-raft onboard. he is a nice man.
A pity the rescuers failed to get to the girls. Those mens could be emotionally affected. Hope they do not blame themselves. -
Correct.Originally posted by YI:In layman term: You stand up straight and look straight. I bet you can't see your toes. -
i think i read somewhere that the merchant ship did turn around n help but the shallow water/rock round pedra branca make it difficult for them. so don't think there is a 'stuck' situation.Originally posted by xavier1979:One more thing is that the merchant ship did not just disappear after ramming into the stern of Courageous. Chances are, the merchant ship had pushed Courgaeous a certain distance before tow ships arrived to separate the two. With a crushed compartment, it is hard to rescue the trapped crew. The only thing to do is to ensure water-tight integrity such that the entire vessel does not sink. -
how abt this deal: sacrificing the ship to save all its crew. of course, you have to save the ship first to buy more time.Originally posted by moose:It's not just compromising compartment integrity.It's saving the lives of the other people on board the ships.It may sound harsh,but it's better to sacrifice 4 people to save 44 others than vice versa. -
Ask the experts here...
is there a blackbox in ships, like those in airplanes?
Pardon mi ignorance.
Thanks
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A record is kept for all sea-faring ships less those bump boats that ferry you to Singapore outer islands.Originally posted by sgboy2004:Ask the experts here...
is there a blackbox in ships, like those in airplanes?
Pardon mi ignorance.
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As far as I know, there isn't black box onboard ships.Originally posted by sgboy2004:Ask the experts here...
is there a blackbox in ships, like those in airplanes?
Pardon mi ignorance.
Thanks
However, the duty watch is supposed to maintain a log book detailing every single thing that happened on the bridge. -
Wonder why they don't put black box on ships. -
i c...but wont it b better to automate this tracking...then the investigation team can re-trace the path of the ship if needed.Originally posted by xavier1979:As far as I know, there isn't black box onboard ships.
However, the duty watch is supposed to maintain a log book detailing every single thing that happened on the bridge.