Girls, how will you feel if ...
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buy the vcd lohOriginally posted by Parka:
Really? Then I must go watch.
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Will have those lonely and lost feeling and suddenly don know what to do and sort of like in daze for a period of time..... whether can get over depend on it......... anyway no matter what job ya do also got risk involed....... take 911 incident.... they are not soldiers yet also die...... so hard say lahz... maybe shd tell that to J'da........
anyway Storm if i remember correctly i think i know what ya work as....... still remember that day i saw ya washing the toliet while i pissing...... dammit ~ and ya still tell me not to urine outside the urinal ~ wahahahaha ( kiddingz ) -
eh tin r hard to say lor. . .thing r unpredictableOriginally posted by startrightnow:dun worry...It will never happen to u 
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Have you ask her? I haven't ask my girl girl this question yet.Originally posted by Storm:... your husband/boyfriend dies while serving the nation, be it peacetime or war? -
I agree with storm. Make the best of your time.Originally posted by Storm:well, i;m a legular, so maybe some ppl will think that i am being siao-on, but just be positive lor. whatever it is, you're gonna spend 2.5 years inside. why not make the most out of it? -
Storm, let me explain.Originally posted by Storm:what titan and predator?
defense of a country need not mean that there has to be a clear enemy, or that we must be at war. if we do not constantly train and put up a credible deterrence, we might as well kiss our country goodbye
In case some people still doesn't know, the Navy conducts regular patrols up to Horsburgh Lighthouse NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE F**KING MONEY TO BURN FUEL TO PATROL TO THAT PART, but the lighthouse itself marks the sea route entry to our very own PSA port. In times of war, the lighthouse is a very important strategic position to our nation's welfare and defence.
Secondly, the patrols are also important in protecting merchant ships from piracy and also deter traffickers from loading illegal cargo on our shores.
I have to speak up, cos I am in the Navy myself. All of us understand the risk of our everyday jobscope. No doubt the duty watch of the APV has to take responsibility, but without clear evidence, let's not put the blame on anyone else yet. -
Originally posted by xavier1979:
yeah... that was one of my earlier posts. We can't be sure what happened yet, and we shouldn't jump the gun and start blaming people when we have no idea at all...
Storm, let me explain.
In case some people still doesn't know, the Navy conducts regular patrols up to Horsburgh Lighthouse [b]NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE F**KING MONEY TO BURN FUEL TO PATROL TO THAT PART, but the lighthouse itself marks the sea route entry to our very own PSA port. In times of war, the lighthouse is a very important strategic position to our nation's welfare and defence.
Secondly, the patrols are also important in protecting merchant ships from piracy and also deter traffickers from loading illegal cargo on our shores.
I have to speak up, cos I am in the Navy myself. All of us understand the risk of our everyday jobscope. No doubt the duty watch of the APV has to take responsibility, but without clear evidence, let's not put the blame on anyone else yet.[/b] -
well, you're probably right, but i still say that we should not jump to conclusions, because:Originally posted by gogogogo:Jumping to conclusion?
What is the task of a radar? What is the job of the naviagtor? Set everything on course and sit back and relax? NO! The big fucking ship was heading in a collision course towards the Courageous and if every servicemen on board the patrol ship were forewarned of the imminent danger, no one would have to die that day!
As for the part on why we have to burn fuel doing patrols out there, the truth answers for itself. That is why the Singapore Government never surrender the lighthouse to the TIGER in the first place.
I just want to emphasize on one thing. The entire crew onboard Courageous ( save for the 4 servicewomen resting at that point in time) has the ability to react and turn the tables before the collision. A lot of possible answers are available pertaining to the possible remedial actions that can be taken to prevent lost of lives. If a constant lookout and feedback were maintained onboard Courageous, there will be ample time to even wake the sleeping servicewomen up instead of sending them to a watery death!
#1 We're not in the navy (well, MOST of us anyway. Xav, does not apply to you ). I for one am not familiar wiith the Rules of the Sea or with the radar systems on board the ship. Maybe the RSN Courageous had the right of way. Maybe not. Maybe the cargo ship was not following its route. Maybe it was.
#2 As mentioned, we don't know the radar system well. Maybe there are limitations like a blind cone that the radar cannot see, therefore forcing the ship to do a jinking maneuver once in a while just to clear that blind cone. Maybe the radar was down for maintenance. Maybe there was something happening on the ship that needed the immediate attention of the crew that was awake.
Bottom line is, WE DON'T KNOW. You weren't there, and therefore you're not in a position to pass judgment. That doesn't stop you from thinking whatever you want however (it's your brain after all). -
go^4,
as I said, you don't know. Don't jump to conclusions. For all we know, the Courageous was sitting still in the water in some supposedly "safe" area and the cargo ship strayed off course and hit it. Yes, I agree with you, there should be a crew on the bridge keeping watch at all times but I'm not sure if there's a requirement to man up the radar console 24 hours if they are not on heightened alert. I mean, you can imagine how boring it gets to start at a radar screen that shows blips moving at 10 miles per hour... and sometimes nothing at all. Maybe (yes, another maybe. there can only be maybes until the results of the report come out) the operating procedures dictate that there was no need to man up the radar console and only the bridgewatch crew was necessary?
The ship was not on exercise. It was not looking out specifically for something. The alertness state of the crew is low at 2330h. Does that absolve them of responsibility? Probably not.
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Well, lots of 'maybes'. We can go on talking here but one thing is for sure. There may well be a good explanation for this incident. The security of the Singapore waters relies very much on the guys doing patrols out there. Those selected personnel better be the right ones. 'Coz there will be other servicemen and women doing the same job later and if they were to come under the command of someone less responsible or less competent for the job, then there might be Hell again.
I'm sure every organisation tries to recruit the best people that it can get. Whether it's the best out there is questionable of course. But in a country full of people who will pack up and leave at the slightest hint of trouble, and people who complain and talk non-stop but do not contribute anything positive and tangible, it's pretty hard to man up all our ships, tanks and airplanes with chest-thumping, enthusiastic men and women who will sacrifice everything for the country. Being in the force, I must say that MOST personnel are dedicated and professional. But there are bound to be black sheep, as with any organisation. These get weeded out of the system with time, but sometimes they cause damage before they can get removed.Blind spots from radars? My dear, the APVs should be decommisioned. They cannot even detect and evade a slower moving vessel at sea. She cannot evade a vessel that is of non-combat nature.
Why not? Why can't there be a blind spot on the radar? Maybe a mast is in the way, and that degrades the radar return from that sector. Yes, it's not probable that a modern ship like the Courageous has a blind spot still, but I was just throwing up examples to show you that you do not know all the details.Radar's down? Well hope the radio's not down. And if the former was the case, i am sure the Naval HQ will be informed of the breakdown. That should be clear on paperwork once the investigation reports are out.
Yes, I'm sure HQ RSN will be in the know if the radar is down. So, wait for the report!
Some people might hang. Maybe not. But whatever it is, 4 personnel died on duty. Yes, there might be countless cases of other "covered up" incidents that the public does not hear about, but these who died in silence are no less worthy of our gratitude than the 4 women who died.
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