WTF LTA !!! cyclist hurt by stupid device
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and LTA claimed the blame lays with others....
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MIW must be experts in playing the blame game by now. knnOriginally posted by hmsg:and LTA claimed the blame lays with others....
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wtf the LTA put that stupid thing in the middle of the bridge? What are they thinking? Obviously not safety. Or they really hate cyclists.
Now a man, a father of 2, is paralysed after hitting it.
Many cyclists use this bridge to get from Tampines to Pasir Ris across the expresway. Putting that stupid thing up is just waiting for an accident to happen. wtf. -
What's new?Originally posted by hmsg:and LTA claimed the blame lays with others....
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It's too bad what happened to the cyclist, but it would not have happened if he had gotten off his bike and pushed it like he was supposed to.Originally posted by dsnake1:wtf the LTA put that stupid thing in the middle of the bridge? What are they thinking? Obviously not safety. Or they really hate cyclists.
Now a man, a father of 2, is paralysed after hitting it.
Many cyclists use this bridge to get from Tampines to Pasir Ris across the expresway. Putting that stupid thing up is just waiting for an accident to happen. wtf.
That's why that "stupid thing" is there. Too many people have been cycling on the bridge making it dangerous for those walking on it.
There have been signs and public messages in the past which these cyclist will ignore. Now the LTA is left without a choice but to put these barriers up and someone still wants to cycle there and gets hurt? I for one do not like almost all the stupid polices and laws there are here, but sometimes you also need to look carefully at who's to blame. -
the issue is not about the device being there but the fact that there was no warning sign.
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erm warning sign not needed bah got bar down there you see you will know its dangerous or not like it moves or something, while i piuty the person and his family i cannot really say its the agency's fualt
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I thought the barrier there is pretty obvious..shouldn't cyclist just slow down a bit to get thru? Shouldn't completely blame the authorities... how abt pedestrians using the bridge? If they get knocked down my fast moving cyclists....who to blame?
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some folks just choose to ignore and turn the heads the other way.
yup right, always blame others and not yourself. -
DEADLY BARRIERSOriginally posted by Bloop...:It's too bad what happened to the cyclist, but it would not have happened if he had gotten off his bike and pushed it like he was supposed to.
That's why that "stupid thing" is there. Too many people have been cycling on the bridge making it dangerous for those walking on it.
There have been signs and public messages in the past which these cyclist will ignore. Now the LTA is left without a choice but to put these barriers up and someone still wants to cycle there and gets hurt? I for one do not like almost all the stupid polices and laws there are here, but sometimes you also need to look carefully at who's to blame.
Cyclist didn't see them in dark
Wife fears he may be paralysed
By Teh Jen Lee
The New Paper
16 July 2005
THE metal barriers were supposed to make the overhead bridge safer - by forcing cyclists to dismount and push their bicycles.
They were installed only on one side of the bridge near Block 495F Tampines Street 43 on Tuesday evening.
The next morning, a cyclist coming from the other side of the bridge smashed into them.
Badly injured, he is now in intensive care and there are fears that he may be permanently paralysed from his neck down.
The 40-year-old man was on his way to a temple. He would do so every day at about 6.30am.
The father of two young children would coast down the ramp on his bicycle. But that morning, his ride came to an abrupt end.
He reportedly didn't see the inverted U-shape metal frames until it was too late. He rammed straight into them and landed heavily on the ground.
Blood flowed from his head and seeped into the cement ground.
He was not able to get up as he had damaged his spinal cord.
A kind stranger called for the ambulance.
The Singapore Civil Defence Force confirmed that it received a call at 6.53am and arrived at the scene three minutes later.
The man was taken to a hospital and admitted into the intensive care ward.
His wife was too distraught over his critical condition to talk.
She requested that he not be named.
'We're already facing a lot of pain and pressure. We don't want people to keep coming to us.
'The doctor says he has to be determined in his own mind (to walk again), so I don't want him to know too much about his condition,' she said wearily. -
POOL OF BLOODOriginally posted by hisoka:erm warning sign not needed bah got bar down there you see you will know its dangerous or not like it moves or something, while i piuty the person and his family i cannot really say its the agency's fualt
She sat at the hospital lounge with red, unfocused eyes, all energy drained from her as she contemplated the future with a paralysed husband.
She said they both work, but declined to give more details.
Housewife Ngoh Quee Yong, 46, who lives near the bridge, spoke to a witness who saw the accident.
'He was lying motionless on the ground. By the time I passed by, I saw only the pool of blood. I guess he was hurt badly,' she said in Mandarin.
'The authorities shouldn't do this. In the early morning, it's too dark to see. There should be flickering lights and warning signboards,' said Madam Ngoh, who uses the bridge daily to get to Pasir Ris Park for her morning exercise.
After hearing about the accident, she told newspaper vendor Ng Eng Chai, 49, who immediately rushed to the bridge to warn other cyclists.
Mr Ng said in Mandarin: 'There was an 80-year-old man who was going very fast. If I hadn't stopped him, he would have been hurt.
'What about students? They like to race down. The height of the barriers is just right to take off a child's head.'
He took the injured man's bicycle, which has been left next to a nearby lamp post to demonstrate what could have happened. There was still a patch of blood where the victim fell.
Another resident, Mr Goh Peng Hoon, 63, said he could easily have become a victim.
'My friend asked me to talk to him at the coffeeshop, if not, I would also be cycling past here early in the morning,' said the retiree, who has been living in the area for 10 years.
About 200 people use the bridge every day, said residents -
haiz..somepeople really no brain.but anyway since when will government people admit its their fault??
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RED-AND-WHITE TAPEOriginally posted by silv3rgal:I thought the barrier there is pretty obvious..shouldn't cyclist just slow down a bit to get thru? Shouldn't completely blame the authorities... how abt pedestrians using the bridge? If they get knocked down my fast moving cyclists....who to blame?
A civic-minded resident spent $5 on red-and-white plastic tape, which he used to tie on the barriers so that cyclists would better see them.
In the one hour that The New Paper was at the bridge on Wednesday morning, over a dozen cyclists rode past.
All of them criticised the barriers, saying they should have been built farther away from the sloped ramp of the bridge so that cyclists would find it easier to stop on level ground.
Ms Chris Chan, 34, a hairdresser, said she almost hit the barriers as they were being put in at about 8pm on Tuesday.
'There were no lights. Luckily, I saw the workers in time.' -
'Stupidest device ever'Originally posted by kops21:some folks just choose to ignore and turn the heads the other way.
yup right, always blame others and not yourself.
THIS was MP Ong Kian Min's reaction after seeing a cyclist and pillion rider hit the barrier at 10.15pm yesterday.
He said: 'They rammed straight into the metal frames before even getting on the bridge. This is the stupidest device I've ever seen.
'It's right at throat level, it's suicidal. It may kill someone who is not aware (of its presence).'
The MP for Tampines GRC called the police and town council contractor to remove the frames.
'But if it can't be done at this hour, we will erect more barricades (to warn cyclists),' he said.
Mr Ong said cyclists and pedestrians should learn to share pavement or road space.
He said: 'We don't have enough land to build dedicated footpaths for pedestrians and bicycle tracks for cyclists.
'Any barriers, if necessary, should be conspicuous and should only inconvenience cyclists to encourage them to dismount or slow down, and never to cause physical harm.'
When contacted, a Land Transport Authority (LTA) spokesman said: 'LTA would like to highlight that bicycles are only allowed on pedestrian overhead bridges if they are pushed across them.
'Since 2001, signs have been placed at both ends (of the pedestrian bridge in Tampines) to inform the public about this.' -
RESPONDING TO COMPLAINTS
The inverted-U-shaped metal frames were installed after complaints about motorcycles and bicycles being ridden across the bridge.
'The metal frames serve to enhance pedestrians' safety,' said the spokesman.
Installation started on Tuesday, with one set of metal frames completed.
The other set was completed the next day.
LTA did not respond by press time about whether it would review guidelines to prevent similar accidents from taking place. -
confirm paralysed liao
neck down.
what is LTA going to say?
we thank you for telling us now. we take ....safety as our primary concern etc...
we take pride in......
oh we regret this unfortunate accident but we've placed this in plain sight, it is unfortunate that in the dark the cyclist wasnt equipped with NVG to see a grey barrier on a dark floor in the wee hrs of the morning. neither is he equipped with a forward downward aiming obstacle radar to map any obstacles. -
I remember the Bridge was Ong Kian Min's idea to connect Tampines N4 (then known as pasir Ris South) with the rest of Pasir Ris GRC back in the late 1990s.
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:
The point is? I know what happened. I know the condition he is in. I do feel sorry for him and his family.
[b]DEADLY BARRIERS
Cyclist didn't see them in dark
Wife fears he may be paralysed
By Teh Jen Lee
The New Paper
16 July 2005
THE metal barriers were supposed to make the overhead bridge safer - by forcing cyclists to dismount and push their bicycles.
They were installed only on one side of the bridge near Block 495F Tampines Street 43 on Tuesday evening.
The next morning, a cyclist coming from the other side of the bridge smashed into them.
Badly injured, he is now in intensive care and there are fears that he may be permanently paralysed from his neck down.
The 40-year-old man was on his way to a temple. He would do so every day at about 6.30am.
The father of two young children would coast down the ramp on his bicycle. But that morning, his ride came to an abrupt end.
He reportedly didn't see the inverted U-shape metal frames until it was too late. He rammed straight into them and landed heavily on the ground.
Blood flowed from his head and seeped into the cement ground.
He was not able to get up as he had damaged his spinal cord.
A kind stranger called for the ambulance.
The Singapore Civil Defence Force confirmed that it received a call at 6.53am and arrived at the scene three minutes later.
The man was taken to a hospital and admitted into the intensive care ward.
His wife was too distraught over his critical condition to talk.
She requested that he not be named.
'We're already facing a lot of pain and pressure. We don't want people to keep coming to us.
'The doctor says he has to be determined in his own mind (to walk again), so I don't want him to know too much about his condition,' she said wearily.
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That still does not change the fact that he was cycling on the bridge when he was not supposed to.
He admits (or someone did on his behalf) that he has been cycling on that bridge for quite sometime.
I use that bridge myself regularly and have been hit by a cyclist more than once. But as long as its was the pedestrian on foot that got hurt and not the cyclist, they keep on cycling on the bridge.
It has been made known from way back that they are to get off their bicycles and push it across. Do they care? No, they don't. As long as they feel they can get away with it, regardless of how they put others at risk/inconvenience, they'll keep doing it.
How fast was this guy going that he could get that badly hurt? What if he had hit someone instead of that barrier? -
Originally posted by crazy monkey:
I know it sounds cold... but I had my shoulder dislocated by an idiot cycling on this very bridge before.
[b]RED-AND-WHITE TAPE
A civic-minded resident spent $5 on red-and-white plastic tape, which he used to tie on the barriers so that cyclists would better see them.
In the one hour that The New Paper was at the bridge on Wednesday morning, over a dozen cyclists rode past.
All of them criticised the barriers, saying they should have been built farther away from the sloped ramp of the bridge so that cyclists would find it easier to stop on level ground.
Ms Chris Chan, 34, a hairdresser, said she almost hit the barriers as they were being put in at about 8pm on Tuesday.
'There were no lights. Luckily, I saw the workers in time.'
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Look at what that person wrote (in red), do they even know or care that they aren't supposed to ride on the bridge? What's the point of moving it further. That would defeat the whole purpose of the barrier.
I do totally agree that it should be made more visible... but look at the fact that this guy was cycling fast enough on the bridge that he got hurt like that. -
a speed barrier could be better design.Originally posted by Bloop...:The point is? I know what happened. I know the condition he is in. I do feel sorry for him and his family.
That still does not change the fact that he was cycling on the bridge when he was not supposed to.
He admits (or someone did on his behalf) that he has been cycling on that bridge for quite sometime.
I use that bridge myself regularly and have been hit by a cyclist more than once. But as long as its was the pedestrian on foot that got hurt and not the cyclist, they keep on cycling on the bridge.
It has been made known from way back that they are to get off their bicycles and push it across. Do they care? No, they don't. As long as they feel they can get away with it, regardless of how they put others at risk/inconvenience, they'll keep doing it.
How fast was this guy going that he could get that badly hurt? What if he had hit someone instead of that barrier?
ya right the cyclist is suppose to push the bicycle across the brigde.
but when its 6:30 am in the morning when he could be the only person using the bridge, that would be the smartest thing he would do.
i wonder if there is any predestrian who has not cross a junction when the light is red on a dessert juction in his life.
i am not a cyclist btw. -
I agree the design could be better, but then again... designs could always be better.Originally posted by crazy monkey:a speed barrier could be better design.
ya right the cyclist is suppose to push the bicycle across the brigde.
but when its 6:30 am in the morning when he could be the only person using the bridge, that would be the smartest thing he would do.
i wonder if there is any predestrian who has not cross a junction when the light is red on a dessert juction in his life.
i am not a cyclist btw.
I think the fact that it's 6.30 in the morning doesn't mean he can cycle on the bridge. Cause if that's the case, then what? Is 7am ok? 8am? 9?
Or you're saying it's because there's no one on the bridge? What if there was one person? Two? Three? What's the limit before they get off their bikes? Do you think a person who pushes rules won't keep pushing as long and as far as they can?
Can we drive on the sidewalk it it's 6.30 am and there is no one there?
Pedestrains do break rules too... and if one did run a red light and because of that, hit a bar on the other side of the road and hurt himself. Is it really the LTA's fault? -
tell me you never jaywalk in your life.Originally posted by Bloop...:I agree the design could be better, but then again... designs cold always be better.
I think the fact that it's 6.30 in the morning doesn't mean he can cycle on the bridge. Cause if that's the case, then what? Is 7am ok? 8am? 9?
Or you're saying it's because there's no one on the bridge? What if there was one person? Two? Three? What's the limit before they get off their bikes? Do you think a person who pushes rules won't keep pushing as long and as far as they can?
Can we drive on the sidewalk it it's 6.30 am and there is no one there? -
Yes I have. I've ran across roads that I'm not supposed to. I've tripped and fell across a chain barrier at the Tampines mall too because of that. I don't blame the LTA for that chain being there.Originally posted by crazy monkey:tell me you never jaywalk in your life.
I take the blame for not seeing that chain because I was jaywalking.
Simple as that - Don't place blame on someone else's shoulders when you get hurt doing something you're not suppose to do.
If a traffic cop had run out and stuck his foot out in front of me, that's a diff story.
Same in this case, it's not like the LTA hired someone to hide behind a bush with a rod. Then jump out and hit cyclists on their heads. -
there is really nothing wrong with the barrier.. i have seen alot of it around places where i am now....seriously singaporean are so funny...
try getting ram by a full speed bicycle b4 u start kpkb ing...