Many Singaporeans migrating....How come???
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I've recently returned from London after spending 6 years there as a student/working....what surprised me the most was the number of changes in our population within a short period of time....It also saddened me greatly to see that a number of my friends were thinking of leaving singapore or had already migrated to another country for good. On the other side of the fence, in London, I met a ' Part Time Singaporean' who was born in a third world country and had migrated to Singapore and was now living in London....
There are two issues of concern here:
a) Why isn't the singapore government openly addressing the issue of the number of singaporeans leaving Singapore??? we seemed to be more concerned about upgradings and building shelters around our flats then addressing a serious problem of large number of singaporeans migrating....This are the 'Real Sons' of singapore who were born here, went to primary, sec and college here, who even served 2-2.5 years of their national service...this are the same people who are now wanting to leave singapore for good and who are unhappy with the economic circumstances here....why isn't there any open public debate about their concerns and the reasons for them living??? any statistics available on the number of people leaving Singapore yearly?????
b) A number of this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' who migrate here mainly from third world countries like China and India are using Singapore as a stepping stone to move to other western countires once they have received their Permanent Residency and Citizenship here....In the case of this individual whom i met in london was from china, and had moved to singapore a few years ago...once he had received his Singapore citizenship he applied to migrate to the UK using his Singaporean passport....he also does admit that his chances of migrating to the UK using a chinese passport would have been slim..... Is Singapore being used here as a stepping stone to other western countires by this third world country immigrants to singapore??? what loyalty is there towards singapore among this 'Part Time Singaporeans'??? any statistics available on the number of this new' Part Time Singaporeans' moving on to other countires after receiving their Singapore citizenship????
any comments????
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what happened to the song we use to sing when we were kids...
This is my country
This is my land
This are my people
This are my friends
We are Singaporeans......
It saddens me greatly that I do not see those good old singaporeans around....what i see are new faces that i dont recognise....Do they have a place in the hearts and minds of us true singaporeans???...these new 'Part Time Singaporeans' are just prostituting our singapore passports in foreign countries for their own selfish gains!!!!
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what struck me the most since my return to Singapore is that the various communities seem to be gradually drifting apart. There was a time one used to see lots of interaction among the various communities be it the chinese, malays and the indians. But now it seems to be the other way around. there are clear signs of communities drifting apart. I suspect it has greatly to do with the governments immigration policies. In their rush to bring in all this foreign nationals into singapore the government has failed to see the negative social impact on the local population such large number of migrants bring. Lets be honest most of the migrants from china and india come from societys where they've probably never been to school with students from different cultures. i doubt chinese nationals from china have ever had indians or malays living in their towns or cities or even having gone to school with students from different cultures. The same goes for the indians that are moving in from india to singapore. i doubt any of these 'new indians' ever had chinese or malay friends in their neighbourhoods and communities back in india.
so how do we expect these foreign nationals who migrate here and take up our singapore citizenship to integrate overnight into our original vibrant and multicultural community here in singapore??? its taken us an entire generation to bond the various communities together. do we seriously expect these 'New Part Time Singaporeans' to integrate and understand the dynamics of our various communities overnight? -
They want to migarte because they have received a good education and want to go for greener grass whether it exists or not.
Same for Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, Philippines, Holland, Canada or Turkey. People migrate for perceived better opportunities elsewhere.
Either that or they want a more relaxed life, that you cannot get in singapore because we do not have natural resources like in Australia or Saudi Arabia. -
Haven't you heard of the phrase "The grass on the other end always seem greener?"
It applies to us as well.
And the reason why the government isn't addressing this issue is because as Singaporeans migrate to other countries, people from other countries migrate over to Singapore. + and - = 0, so no big deal. -
Salman and the other writer are missing the point in my thread....this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' are using us to move on further.....If one migrates to Australia, chances are one will settle down in Australia for good....in the case of Singapore I think alot of these people from third world countries use us to get a Singapore passport and then move on to other developed countries....this new 'Part Time Singaporeans' have no loyalty or intentions of staying here forever.....like the case of the guy i met in London he used a Singapore passport, achieved through his citizenship, to apply to migrate to London...he never had any intentions of staying in singapore forever...
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i tink many other 'full time' s'poreans r oso tinkin of migrating.
prices of everything here is increasin, increasin n increasin...
yet salaries increase at a much much much slower rate.
employment is oso gettin difficult...
wats the pt in strugglin, tryin to keep up by payin for the high price of livin here where u can enjoy the luxury of a bungalow n own several cars elsewhere... -
It's partly because our migration program is not tight enough to screen for people holding skills that we need urgently or do not possess.Originally posted by gill_hfc:Salman and the other writer are missing the point in my thread....this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' are using us to move on further.....If one migrates to Australia, chances are one will settle down in Australia for good....in the case of Singapore I think alot of these people from third world countries use us to get a Singapore passport and then move on to other developed countries....this new 'Part Time Singaporeans' have no loyalty or intentions of staying here forever.....like the case of the guy i met in London he used a Singapore passport, achieved through his citizenship, to apply to migrate to London...he never had any intentions of staying in singapore forever...
Our program is like a kucing kurap one..any chap with a cert can waltz in, unlike Australia's migration programme, where you must possess certain skills.
Is there such a site available for us to view?A points system?We simply cannot allow more duplication of services. -
But when you leave the country, people call you a quitter leh.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:i tink many other 'full time' s'poreans r oso tinkin of migrating.
prices of everything here is increasin, increasin n increasin...
yet salaries increase at a much much much slower rate.
employment is oso gettin difficult...
wats the pt in strugglin, tryin to keep up by payin for the high price of livin here where u can enjoy the luxury of a bungalow n own several cars elsewhere...
So how?
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I'm happy.Those who call me a quitter, have no balls to find their own pastures, nor have the intellect to see beyond the propaganda.Originally posted by charlize:But when you leave the country, people call you a quitter leh.
So how? -
i think the govt is hoping that one out of the 10 so-called "part time Singaporeans" will stay to become Singapore citizen. It doesn't seem to mind if Singapore has been used as a stepping stone by the other 9. It probably believe that is the price for attracting talents to the country.Originally posted by gill_hfc:Salman and the other writer are missing the point in my thread....this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' are using us to move on further.....If one migrates to Australia, chances are one will settle down in Australia for good....in the case of Singapore I think alot of these people from third world countries use us to get a Singapore passport and then move on to other developed countries....this new 'Part Time Singaporeans' have no loyalty or intentions of staying here forever.....like the case of the guy i met in London he used a Singapore passport, achieved through his citizenship, to apply to migrate to London...he never had any intentions of staying in singapore forever... -
who cares...as long as if u can enjoy life better elsewhere?Originally posted by charlize:But when you leave the country, people call you a quitter leh.
So how?
y bother so much abt wat others say?
life's short, learn to enjoy... -
right..and let us be a transit point eh?No QC la.Originally posted by pearlie27:i think the govt is hoping that one out of the 10 so-called "part time Singaporeans" will stay to become Singapore citizen. It doesn't seem to mind if Singapore has been used as a stepping stone by the other 9. It probably believe that is the price for attracting talents to the country. -
answer is very simple actually...
a) to the government those that leave are quiters so sg dun need quiters since we got FT coming in....
b) when FT become citizen.. they are singaporean... and when they leave sg for other countries... they are quiters too... so sg dun need quiters since we got FT coming in AGAIN....
simple bo? -
too much transients and lack of a single strong base of citizens.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):answer is very simple actually...
a) to the government those that leave are quiters so sg dun need quiters since we got FT coming in....
b) when FT become citizen.. they are singaporean... and when they leave sg for other countries... they are quiters too... so sg dun need quiters since we got FT coming in AGAIN.... simple bo?
damned if we are run like a corporation, becuase it does not benefit those who stay.
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they dun care about strong base lah.. they only care about the constant amount of ppl for them to tax nia...milk till no mlik then milk new cow lor..that's the important thing to them lahOriginally posted by LazerLordz:too much transients and lack of a single strong base of citizens.
damned if we are run like a corporation, becuase it does not benefit those who stay. -
We have now become a stepping stone towards a better life and future. Its time our Government make money out of this.Originally posted by gill_hfc:Salman and the other writer are missing the point in my thread....this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' are using us to move on further.....If one migrates to Australia, chances are one will settle down in Australia for good....in the case of Singapore I think alot of these people from third world countries use us to get a Singapore passport and then move on to other developed countries....this new 'Part Time Singaporeans' have no loyalty or intentions of staying here forever.....like the case of the guy i met in London he used a Singapore passport, achieved through his citizenship, to apply to migrate to London...he never had any intentions of staying in singapore forever... -
Dun say them until like that lar.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):they dun care about strong base lah.. they only care about the constant amount of ppl for them to tax nia...milk till no mlik then milk new cow lor..that's the important thing to them lah
During election time, they do think and care about Singaporeans. -
why we dun have election every yr.. DAMN!!!Originally posted by charlize:Dun say them until like that lar.
During election time, they do think and care about Singaporeans. -
what happened to the song we use to sing when we were kids...
This is my country
This is my land
This are my people
This are my friends
We are Singaporeans......
It saddens me greatly that I do not see those good old singaporeans around....what i see are new faces that i dont recognise....Do they have a place in the hearts and minds of us true singaporeans???...these new 'Part Time Singaporeans' are just prostituting our singapore passports in foreign countries for their own selfish gains!!!! -
hmm... learn from those gang lah... join easy quit hard hard... must pay alot then can...Originally posted by shade343:We have now become a stepping stone towards a better life and future. Its time our Government make money out of this. -
There are still those who care.It's sad when you are third generation, maybe even fourth generation..Originally posted by gill_hfc:what happened to the song we use to sing when we were kids...
This is my country
This is my land
This are my people
This are my friends
We are Singaporeans......
It saddens me greatly that I do not see those good old singaporeans around....what i see are new faces that i dont recognise....Do they have a place in the hearts and minds of us true singaporeans???...these new 'Part Time Singaporeans' are just prostituting our singapore passports in foreign countries for their own selfish gains!!!! -
well, at least be proud that there are people out there yearning for a Singapore passport, whatever they want to do with it. you spent 6 years overseas you said, then you should know how much currency the Singapore passport represents, how it's almost like a badge of distinction that gives you a smooth sail through immigration, it is, as they say "tat lui" ... you met people from other countries pretending to be Singaporeans in foreign countries ?... yes, I've met them, from south and east asia ... *cue russell peters accent; "ohhhh ... I'm from Singapur ... "Originally posted by gill_hfc:what happened to the song we use to sing when we were kids...
This is my country
This is my land
This are my people
This are my friends
We are Singaporeans......
It saddens me greatly that I do not see those good old singaporeans around....what i see are new faces that i dont recognise....Do they have a place in the hearts and minds of us true singaporeans???...these new 'Part Time Singaporeans' are just prostituting our singapore passports in foreign countries for their own selfish gains!!!! -
even though i hate the political affair in sg. but this is the country which i have fond memories.
i believe quitters will make a grave mistakes if they migrate, cos i dun see other countries pple treat sg pple as equal.
this is the land, the land that i wander free, land of my birth.... -
How do you expect the Singapore Government to address this issue in any open way ?
There have been oblique reference to this matter over the years, with the Government switching from chastising those Singaporeans who have migrated, to enticing them to return with all kinds of sweet perks - but all to no avail.
Any open admission to this net outflow of Singaporeans, will mean also an admission to the inability of the Singapore Government in meeting the expectations of Singaporeans who are educated and independent in mind and are able to think and see 'out of the Box'.
A 'Box' that the Singapore Government has so cleverly built to 'enclose' Singaporeans - controlling, manipulating, monopolizing and benefitting from a population that is made totally dependent to the Government.
Those who have left, are the ones that can see that they cannot find a niche for their own dreams, nor compete with a Government that insist in competing with Private Enterprise . -
that is why such a form of micro management is unhealthy to the nation.Originally posted by Atobe:How do you expect the Singapore Government to address this issue in any open way ?
There have been oblique reference to this matter over the years, with the Government switching from chastising those Singaporeans who have migrated, to enticing them to return with all kinds of sweet perks - but all to no avail.
Any open admission to this net outflow of Singaporeans, will mean also an admission to the inability of the Singapore Government in meeting the expectations of Singaporeans who are educated and independent in mind and are able to think and see 'out of the Box'.
A 'Box' that the Singapore Government has so cleverly built to 'enclose' Singaporeans - controlling, manipulating, monopolizing and benefitting from a population that is made totally dependent to the Government.
Those who have left, are the ones that can see that they cannot find a niche for their own dreams, nor compete with a Government that insist in competing with Private Enterprise . We have only ourselves to blame for letting it continue.. -
Government did their best. The issue was solved by :
1. Calling people who left : quitters. Surely, that would "inspire" people to turn back ... then what do they call people who stick around? Stupid Slavers ?
2. Importing more 3rd world immigrants or buying in more Ang Moh foreign "talents" to fill in the gaps and take the jobs of locals. Never mind, there will always be another 3rd world country waiting to use Singapore as a "passport" to a better life..
3. By maintaining social equilibrium by paying "peanuts" to select elites and really paying peanuts to the rest who drive the economy forward, thereby making us all forever hungry (but not staved to death - otherwise no workers ) so that we have no other choice but to slog through another day. Then, there was once I heard another message from the government stating we are not creative people and only think of break and butter. Well dang! I have to be a monkey and a clown..
4. Our next and greatest idea : 2 casinos! isn't it exciting! We will be the gambling den of the South East Asia.
Now, if you have a job or a better chance of survival over in UK or any country for that (unless you are part of the elite and this next piece of advice would not apply cause you would be living off the blood and sweat of the common people). I would strong advice going back there and carving out a life over there - at least you do not need to think about working till the day you die for the next meal, next donation drive or money to pay the debt you didn't know you owe the government.