The reservoirs of Marina , Punngol and Serangoon are now completed.
The Marina reservoir will collect water fr a catchment of 100 km2(10,000 ha)
,while the latter 50 km2. Marina Reservoir is not a impounding reservoir.This
is only a transit reservoir. Raw Water is pumped to much bigger reservoirs in up
stream for storge. I am not sure if this apply to Pugnnol and Serangoon Reservoirs.
2. SG gavaman say Two third of Sg now is catchment. This figure seems under stated. This is well known that catchment invrease fr half to two third
after these 3 reservoirs completed.
150 km 2/ 0.16 (0.66--0.50)= abt 940 km2. SG is only 705 km2.
3. I think the enlarged catchment can provide more than 70 % of SG water demand.
fr top
--Blue Map of Singapore. Water bodies and reservoirs in SG
--Catchment
---Developed area
---Raw water is pumped from Marina Reservoir to bigger reservois for storage.
Water can be released for recreation purposes under ABC programmes.
Singapore Blue Map. Blue Map of Singapore.
satellite image of Singapore -
http://habitatnews.nus.edu.sg/news/pulauhantu/archive/2005_04_01_archive.html
http://www.lamarstone.com.sg/jpg/singapore-map.jpg
ref
other references--
evrything u need to know is here.
81 pages, can open very fast. no worry.
read my 2 nd post today for details.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25271973/Sustainable-Water-Resource-Management-The-Singapore-Experience
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search
Blue Map of Singapore + "Young Joo Chye"
source of the Blue Map
http://www2.kankyo.metro.tokyo.jp/c40/c40tokyo/pdf/session2/singapore.pdf
http://www.cdm.com/NR/rdonlyres/19498E5F-EA69-4761-99A7-18D0BBA59A9F/0/Water21_Singapores_Barrage_Boosts_Reserves.pdf
Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320939
serach " URA Gallery "in sg forum if u want to see the water catchment map,
costasgen.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html
nnnn
thats good. water everywhere means more parks fpr us to visit and relax. also means we wont face any water shortages or rationing
other references--
evrything u need to know is here.
81 pages, can open very fast. no worry.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25271973/Sustainable-Water-Resource-Management-The-Singapore-Experience
Singapore’s
Experience in
Sustainable Water Resource Management
Ramahad Singh
Deputy Director
Water Supply Network, PUB
page 15 --ditribution network
pg 28-- 6 network COLLECTION OF USED WATER
p 29-- Deep Tunnel Sewerage System
(DTSS) was fully completed in 2008 with
the commissioning of Changi Water Reclamation Plant (CWRP)
p 30 -DESALINATED WATER
p 31-INTEGRATED NETWORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
etc
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http://law.nus.edu.sg/apcel/activities/Water_Resources_Brazil.pdf
5th IUCN Academy Colloquium
RIO + 15: A LEGAL CRITIQUE OF ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT
31 May - 5 June 2007
Rio de Janeiro and Parati, Brazil ---------------------------------------------------------
Ecologically Sustainable Development of Water Resources in Singapore
Dr KOH Kheng-Lian
Emeritus Professor
Faculty of Law,NUS.
Presently, around 680,000 m3 (or 149.58 million gallons) of Singapore’s water consumption is sourced from catchment areas around the city state. This represents about 60% of the country’s daily needs. As of 2005, there are fourteen raw water reservoirs in Singapore (see map). 15th reservoir – Reservoir in the City - to be completed end 2007.
Singapore: island city-state
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Land area -699 sq km, urbanized, 193 km coastline
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Not naturally endowed with freshwater resources:
- tiny state, no big rivers (eg River Ganga, India);
no big dams (eg 3 Gorges Dam, China);
no big reservoirs (Hussain Sagar, India);
no large wetlands (Amazon – comparable with Spore’s Sungei Buloh Wetland- 87 ha Nature Park, not water resource)
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32 small natural rivers (at least in part) –the Singapore River in Kallang Basin covers 1/5 of Singapore’s land area and flow through the central city ; 12 canals; 14 reservoirs;
8 service reservoirs and 3 planned reservoirs
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Is having all the infrastructure alone enough to keep Singapore secure ?
Or is the article below even more relevant for Singapore that - "Putting the infrastructure in place alone is not sufficient to secure Singapore’s water supplies. Demand management is also imperative for sustainability." ?
Water Management : Learning from Singapore’s water success
26 March 2009
Jieying LohSingapore has increasingly been looked upon by the international community as a role model for water management. The city-state, which has no natural aquifers or groundwater, has made tremendous progress from facing challenges in water supply to setting the standards in sustainable water management.
The Singapore water story
With 4.5 million people living in an area of just 700 square kilometres, coupled with few fresh water resources, managing the country’s water resource is no mean feat.
In the 1960s and 70s, the island faced a myriad of water problems, most of them associated with accelerated urbanisation: water shortages, flooding, and pollution in its rivers.
Today, the situation is vastly different. Thanks to a dynamic and diversified strategy to secure alternative sources of water known as the Four National Taps, Singaporeans now have good, clean drinking water at a turn of the tap. The Four National Taps refer to water from four different sources of water: water from local catchment areas, imported water, recycled water (branded as NEWater) and desalinated water.
To date, about half of Singapore is comes under a water catchment system, with 14 reservoirs as well as an extensive network of canals and drains to harvest rainwater. This is set to increase to two-thirds by 2009 with the completion of several new reservoir schemes, including a unique “reservoir in the city”, the Marina Reservoir.
A new chapterIntroduced in 2003, NEWater marked a new era in Singapore’s water history. Produced using state-of-the-art membrane technologies involving microfiltration, reverse osmosis and ultraviolet disinfection, the result is an ultra-clean product that has been vetted by more than 30,000 scientific tests, surpassing even the World Health Organisation standards for drinking water.NEWater is supplied primarily for non-domestic use in wafer fabrication parks, industrial estates and commercial buildings, where it is used for industrial and air-cooling purposes. A small percentage is mixed with raw reservoir water before being treated as drinking water.There are at present four NEWater plants, which can meet 15% of Singapore’s water needs, with plans for a fifth plant underway that will boost the total capacity to 30%.Managing demandPutting the infrastructure in place alone is not sufficient to secure Singapore’s water supplies. Demand management is also imperative for sustainability.The 2006 Stockholm Water Prize laureate, Professor Asit Biswas, highlighted this as a key ingredient in Singapore’s effective water management, in a study he carried out for the United Nations Human Development Report 2006.“Singapore is one of the very few countries that looks at its water supply in totality,” he said. “One of the main reasons why they are successful in managing its water supply is the concurrent emphasis on supply and demand management.”The country’s holistic approach to water resource management has integrated a water demand management programme that incorporates the proper handling of the transmission and distribution network to minimise losses, as well as the implementation of water conservation measures.This has brought about a considerable reduction in unaccounted-for water, from 11 per cent in the 1980s to 5 per cent today, one of the lowest levels in the world.Educating the publicSingapore considers its people as joint stakeholders of their water resources and also actively seeks to engage the community in its water management efforts.Since 2004, a series of public education programmes has been launched to encourage water conservation through daily habits. It has worked: the per capita consumption of water in households has inched downwards, from 165 litres a day in 2003 to 157 litres a day now.Individuals and organisations are also encouraged to adopt the island’s waterways, take care of it so that they learn the value of keeping it clean. PUB (Singapore’s national water agency) also actively promotes recreational activities at its reservoirs such that they are now a haven for water sports such as kayaking and wakeboarding.To better integrate water with the urban environment, PUB has revealed a new long-term initiative called Active, Beautiful, Clean Waters Programme, which will transform the country’s drains, canals and reservoirs into vibrant streams, rivers and lakes, creating beautiful new spaces for the community’s enjoyment.In addition, PUB recently launched a new lifestyle magazine called PURE to interest and educate the public on water issues. A mascot named Water Wally helps to spread the water messages to the young in a lively and interactive way.The goal of these initiatives is to bond Singaporeans more closely with water, so that they will cherish and better appreciate this precious resource.Becoming a global hydrohubOver the years, Singapore has managed to turn its water woes from a vulnerability to a strategic advantage, and more recently, a growth industry for the country.With the water industry projected to be worth about US$400 billion by 2015, the Singapore government has identified it as a new growth sector for the country’s economy. As such, about S$330 million will be invested in water R&D over the next five years to develop Singapore into a hub for water technologies.The country is now a hotbed for water technologies, home to a thriving cluster of more than 50 Singaporean and international water companies like CH2MHill and Black & Veatch, both of whom chose Singapore as the location for their regional headquarters. In addition, industry bigwigs like Siemens Water Technologies, GE Water, Delft Hydraulics, Keppel Corporation and Hyflux have set up R&D facilities in Singapore.In line with this strategy, Singapore has also hosted several international water conferences, which include the International Desalination Association’s World Congress on Desalination and Water Reuse, and the International Water Association – Asia-Pacific Regional Group Conference and Exhibition.To complement other major shows around the world, the city state is set to hold a water conference of its own this June. The inaugural Singapore International Water Week (www.siww.com.sg) is a global conference and trade show aimed at providing a platform for industry leaders and decision makers to showcase new water technologies and share best practices.The highlight of the Singapore International Water Week is the Lee Kuan Yew Water Prize, which will be presented annually to an individual or organisation for outstanding contributions towards solving global water problems through innovative technologies or policies and programmes. The inaugural winner was revealed on 18 March 2008 as Dr Andrew Benedek, a Canadian researcher and successful technopreneur, who pioneered the development of low-pressure membranes that enables drinking water to be produced from even highly polluted water. Dr Benedek received a cash prize of SGD300,000, a gold medallion and award certificate, and he will deliver the inaugural Singapore Water Lecture on 24 June 2008.The Singapore International Water Week, which will be held from 23 to 27 June, is part of PUB’s overall strategy for raising the profile of Singapore’s water sector even further. “It is a major step for us in our efforts to develop Singapore into a vibrant and thriving global hydrohub.” said Mr Khoo. “It signals our strong commitment to developing the water industry in Singapore and building overseas linkages and partnerships.”For its outstanding efforts in this area, PUB was given the 2007 Stockholm Industry Water Award – one of the highest accolades in the industry. The agency was also recognised by Global Water Intelligence with the 2006 Water Agency of the Year prize at its annual awards.The Stockholm Water Award Committee praised PUB for putting in place a complex yet effective water management framework that is widely accepted by both the public and the industry. Mr Khoo Teng Chye, the Chief Executive of PUB, attributed Singapore’s success to several factors. He said, “We believe that innovation is important and have always placed emphasis on R&D and investing in technology. PUB has worked hard over the last 40 years to overcome our water challenges and it is through strong political will, good governance, effective implementation and a motivated workforce that we have been able to put in place a robust and sustainable supply of water in Singapore.” •
See also the report prepared by PUB - ‘Singapore’s Experience in Water Demand Management’
so nice to see lionoisy back...
Hi Angel. Tx.i am also happy i dare to write here again, not scared off
by so many deletions by MOD some time back.
Hi Atobe, wat do u want to say? The articles u post here is in fact praising SG.
u ask--
Is having all the infrastructure alone enough to keep Singapore secure ?
My answer is Yes!
The demand side is managed very well
----SG is one of lowest NRW--non revenue water in the world,ie water
missing due to leaking, stolen etc. This is only abt 5 %,considered very low
in first world countries city which loss abt 30 %.
----lowest domestic water consumption , at about 160 liter per day /capita.
Wat do u SG do more in demand side?
How abt the supply side?
u read my old postings dated back to 2005 then u can know better.
1.catchment aread can increase from current two third to 90 %
( pl go thro PUB web site. Like other gavamna and stat boards, SG civil servants
too shy to show off their skills.
PUB take one step at a time. They will carry a feasibilty study,
then build one pilot plant, then build one more bigger plant to implement
the RD result)
forgive me to quote here. u easily miss these.
This technology has potential to increase the water catchment area in Singapore from 67% to 90% by treating freshwater and seawater cost-effectively in the same plant.
fff
A pilot scale VSP of 240 m3/day (for seawater) was constructed and operated at Bedok Water Reclamation Plant in 2004 to test the technical feasibility of the concept. Following its success, PUB embarked on a medium scale demonstration VSP of 1 mgd capacity at Sungei Tampines. This demonstration plant has been in continuous operation since July 2007 and is undergoing fine-tuning to achieve optimal operation.
Membrane Bioreactor Plant
PUB purposely built three MBR pilot plants, using Zenon, Mitsubishi, Kubota membrane, in year 2003. After more than two years of pilot testing at Bedok Water Reclamation Plant (WRP), reliability of MBR technology and its effectiveness in producing better feed water quality for the production of NEWater were demonstrated.
jj
Proposed 15mgd Membrane Bioreactor Plant at Jurong Water Reclamation Plant | Hydrochem (S) Pte Ltd | S$35,800,000.00 | 3/3/10 |
2. There are few 3 in 1 power generators , so called tri gen!
It can generate power, water and steam thro the process.
3. With so limited resources, SG has done so much in looking for water.
i think even Almighty will show mercy if SG face drought.
4.To be honest, SG is the last country in this planet face water shortage!!
SG search for better water technology only stop when sg gavaman cant
function!
references
Part 1 and Part 2
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/142350?amp%3Bpage=2
Forthcoming Tenders |
Awarded Contracts |
xxx
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Hi Angel. Tx.i am also happy i dare to write here again, not scared off
by so many deletions by MOD some time back.
Hi Atobe, wat do u want to say? The articles u post here is in fact praising SG.
u ask--
Is having all the infrastructure alone enough to keep Singapore secure ?
My answer is Yes!
The demand side is managed very well
----SG is one of lowest NRW--non revenue water in the world,ie water
missing due to leaking, stolen etc. This is only abt 5 %,considered very low
in first world countries city which loss abt 30 %.
----lowest domestic water consumption , at about 160 liter per day /capita.
Wat do u SG do more in demand side?
How abt the supply side?
u read my old postings dated back to 2005 then u can know better.
1.catchment aread can increase from current two third to 90 %
( pl go thro PUB web site. Like other gavamna and stat boards, SG civil servants
too shy to show off their skills.
PUB take one step at a time. They will carry a feasibilty study,
then build one pilot plant, then build one more bigger plant to implement
the RD result)
forgive me to quote here. u easily miss these.
- Intelligent Watershed Management
- Membrane Technology
- Network Management
- Used Water Treatment
- Water Quality
- Water Treatment
- for example,
M embrane Technology alone alreday have few promising project
Key R&D Projects
fff
Membrane Bioreactor Plant
- Not a dream any more--pl note 15 mgd--million gallon per day
- is 5 % of sg needs 300 mgd!!
- Tender awarded
jj
Proposed 15mgd Membrane Bioreactor Plant at Jurong Water Reclamation Plant Hydrochem (S) Pte Ltd S$35,800,000.00 3/3/10
- Operation and Evaluation of Memstill Pilot Plant
- Development of an Innovative Osmotic MBR Technology
- Testing of Grahamtek 16" RO Membrane
- Testing of Dow 16" RO Membrane
- Ceramic Membrane Collaborative Research Project
2. There are few 3 in 1 power generators , so called tri gen!
It can generate power, water and steam thro the process.
3. With so limited resources, SG has done so much in looking for water.
i think even Almighty will show mercy if SG face drought.
4.To be honest, SG is the last country in this planet face water shortage!!
SG search for better water technology only stop when sg gavaman cant
function!
references
SgForums :: Singapore's Online Community - Bye bye MY water by 2011
Part 1 and Part 2
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/142350?amp%3Bpage=2
Forthcoming Tenders Awarded Contracts
xxx
Only a dumb ass will want to kiss another ass goodbye.
With pussies like you as Singaporeans - is it any wonder that there will be more knives waiting to stab you at the first opportunity ?
Try not to count your chicks before they are even hatched - life will come full circle that you may have to crawl around looking for space to live - if all the water that you cannot drink will rise up to your neck.
Pussies do not take to water naturally - so don't get too smug to say bye-bye and burn the bridge too early.
Originally posted by angel7030:so nice to see lionoisy back...
This must be a rare public display of appreciation from a flippant pussy - (with the gift of a CBM) - towards a dumb pussy - (with the gift of a pea brain).
How amusing it must be to see the greetings extended by the resident CBM to the resident pussy in this Speaker's Corner?
With its brain stuck between its ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - and a brain no bigger then the size of its ‘clitoris’ - all that the Taiwanese 'hum' can do is to flap in raptuous idiocy to attract attention to itself as an 'Attention Seeking Whore' fitted with a world class CBM.
Originally posted by Atobe:
Only a dumb ass will want to kiss another ass goodbye.With pussies like you as Singaporeans - is it any wonder that there will be more knives waiting to stab you at the first opportunity ?
Try not to count your chicks before they are even hatched - life will come full circle that you may have to crawl around looking for space to live - if all the water that you cannot drink will rise up to your neck.
Pussies do not take to water naturally - so don't get too smug to say bye-bye and burn the bridge too early.
How many of u know now all reservoirs are linked together
to maximize the capacity?
Reservoirs intergration Scheme!
1A. only one % of ptoable water come from NEWater, after mixed with
traditional water in reservoirs and bathing under the sun!!
In 2008,Sales of potable water 1,262,000 m3 per day (include
domestic 742,000 m3 and non-dom 521,000 m3),plus
Sale of NEWater | m3/day | 180,000 | ||
Sale of Industrial Water | m3/day | 65,000 |
2.These are main rivers which channel water into reservoirs.
www
3.u can get many water info fr ABC few reports.
this is one of them.
4.Sg water experiences are presented to foreign countries.
main figures is here
Unaccounted for water | % | 4.5 | 4.4 | 4.4 |
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Any one citing water shortage as reason of leaving Sg is the biggest
fool,ill informed fool!
jjjj
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Any one citing water shortage as reason of leaving Sg is the biggestfool,ill informed fool!
Don't know about anyone leaving because of water shortages, but sure as hell good folk would leave just to get away from shitheads like you.
Anyway, how's it hanging? Yo momma choked to death on that dog cock yet?
Originally posted by lionnoisy:Hi Angel. Tx.i am also happy i dare to write here again, not scared off
by so many deletions by MOD some time back.
4.To be honest, SG is the last country in this planet face water shortage!!
SG search for better water technology only stop when sg gavaman cant
function!
Scare, scare of what...you are a lion ya, lord of the jungle, king of the amazon.
By the way, talking about water and electricity, my native land in taiwan are more advance...we are using solar cells on top of our village house, big tank with filter to collect rain water for our use, and satellite dishes to watch our TV. Our rain is less than singapore, and yet we still collect rain water...actually, Singapore household can do the same,...collect their own rain water on top of the building, filter it thru a good system, and collectively all can use it, and also, since singapore is shiny hot all year round, those building top can install solar cell to get electricity for the building. Then as for TV, can use a big satelite dish, which can take in many world channel for free.
Now, why is singapore govt not doing that??? Because..if they do it, power supply is going to close shop, Cable TV is going to close shop, and many other industrial supporting them is going to close shop and most importantly, govt will get much much less revenue leading to a total collapse...that is why our govt never promote collection of rain water, uses of solar cell and do not permit satelite dishes...antennas. And mind you, all these are clean and good for the green world
So, wherever i see sing govt promoting green world and global warming program, I said bull to them. In my taiwan village, we dun hv to pay water bills, electrical bills and also TV bills...except during winter period, whereby the Taiwan utilities board will take over...
Originally posted by angel7030:So, wherever i see sing govt promoting green world and global warming program, I said bull to them. In my taiwan village, we dun hv to pay water bills, electrical bills and also TV bills...except during winter period, whereby the Taiwan utilities board will take over...
BY WHAT YOU SAID HERE, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU ARE NOT A TAIWANESE, YOU COME HERE PRETEND TO BE TAIWANESE. PEOPLE IN TAIWAN HAVE TO PAY UTILITY BILLS.
WITH A RUBBISH CHUTE REPLACING YOUR BRAIN, NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF YOU. ALL FROM YOU ARE LIES, NOTHING BUT LIES.
Originally posted by Dondontan:
BY WHAT YOU SAID HERE, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU ARE NOT A TAIWANESE, YOU COME HERE PRETEND TO BE TAIWANESE. PEOPLE IN TAIWAN HAVE TO PAY UTILITY BILLS.WITH A RUBBISH CHUTE REPLACING YOUR BRAIN, NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF YOU. ALL FROM YOU ARE LIES, NOTHING BUT LIES.
Could she be referring to those hilly villages in the South , and not urban city like Taipei?
PS: I AM NO TAIWANESE, SO I AM JUST GUESSING!!
How could she possibly be a Taiwanese y'all tell me?
angel 7030 100% not taiwan
100% Singaporean
my father perform ns -?
in internet man can posed as woman
can just said i am rich man daugther - anything also can
just find one excuse/reason tnot to scan and post her taiwan birth cert - so it's just all bullshits
just ignore THAT MAN posts - LPPL
Whatever it is or can be - the Taiwanese 'hum' be is no more then a CBM - with its lips made from the ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ that it flaps daily in rapturous idiocy.
With its brain that is no bigger then the size of a ‘clitoris’ - is it any wonder that it is at its best with its daily irrelevance guided by its driven efforts to draw attention to itself as the 'Attention Seeking Whore' ?
...hahahaha...really make me laugh until cry..hahahah...omg! so fun here. Please lah, as i said already, we are a group here, some are guys, but i am definitely a 100% female lah, and i was born in taiwan but raise in Singapore...only once a year i go back to see my grandma and grandpa in taiwan, my passed away mother side.
Originally posted by angel7030:...hahahaha...really make me laugh until cry..hahahah...omg! so fun here. Please lah, as i said already, we are a group here, some are guys, but i am definitely a 100% female lah, and i was born in taiwan but raise in Singapore...only once a year i go back to see my grandma and grandpa in taiwan, my passed away mother side.
What kind of a man or woman can the Taiwanese 'hum' be - when its CBM is fitted with the ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ that flaps daily in rapturous idiocy ?
With its brain that is no bigger then the size of a ‘clitoris’ - is it any wonder that it is at its best with its daily irrelevance guided by its driven efforts to draw attention to itself as the 'Attention Seeking Whore' ?
The reservoir to supply water is still not enough for the local water supply or else this country could stop buying water from up north.
In fact my earlier post had an hidden agenda in it, it actually mean that Sing govt is abit hypocratic, on one hand, they tell us to go green and clean, on the other hand, they built power station with chimneys at Jurong islands etc etc that destroy the atmosphere and then collect water and electrical bill from us (which goes up and up), now let said we all buy those filter tank ourselves and install in our flat or house to collect rain water, we put up solar cell to go green and environemental friendly...what is going to happen to the govt power supply bill??
Originally posted by angel7030:In fact my earlier post had an hidden agenda in it, it actually mean that Sing govt is abit hypocratic, on one hand, they tell us to go green and clean, on the other hand, they built power station with chimneys at Jurong islands etc etc that destroy the atmosphere and then collect water and electrical bill from us (which goes up and up), now let said we all buy those filter tank ourselves and install in our flat or house to collect rain water, we put up solar cell to go green and environemental friendly...what is going to happen to the govt power supply bill??
Instead of uselessly exercising your CBM that is transplanted from the parts of the ‘Labia Majora’ and ‘Labia Minora’ - which flaps aily in rapturous idiocy - why will you not use your brain more ?
With a brain that is no bigger then the size of a ‘clitoris’ - can anything of relevance be expected from the Taiwanese 'hum' ?
How many water MY sold to SG in the last few years?
How many gallons a day?Before NEWater and desliantion plant completed,
SG imports half of water from MY.
Any one know Malay can search for me?
This is not flaming the water issue. I am telling the younger one the
truths(from SG point of view, of course).MOD, pl do not delete.
This is official info.ok?
[PDF]
Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts
February 2003
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In the early of the century, there were a number of MY middle men
approached SG gavaman to arrange MY gavamna to sell water to SG.
Among them were businessmen and retired MY officials.
It was reveiled by one of the top 5 SG Cabinet members during a closed
door dialouge. No press were allowed!!