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  • SpecOps87's Avatar
    2,811 posts since Apr '04
    • Hey,

      Been watching some video clips and news on TV and seen some riots. Yah, I know its a civil matter, not a military matter, but I' just wondering...are there ways to fight against a wall of riot police?

      Been reading some military strategy books, and I've come to this conclusion.First we observe how the riot police operate, they stand in rows backed by their anti-riot vehicles etc. Equipment possessed is protective gear, a shield, helmet and for selected officers the tear gas grenade launcher. I believe firearms would not be use in this environment as it has a high tendency to be snatched away.

      Now an analysis of the rioters, people armed with a variety of weapons such as metal/wooden rods, molotov cocktails, largely close contact weapons with few projectile weapons. The majority do not possess any form of protection, other then handerkerchiefs/scarves used to mask up preventing tear gas inhalation.

      Now, the riot police actually stand in a wall, close packed to produce a menacing and intimidating view which will scare the rioters into surrendering. However, on being given the command to charge, tear gas canisters are launched, and the "wall" starts advancing slowly before breaking into a run. At this point, rarely does the rioters not flee. As the "wall" charges, follow-up vehicles with the spray come up and start to spray strong jets of water to further break the resistance of the rioters or dyes which makes them easily identifiable for arrest.

      However, I was wondering, as often the police "wall" usually is a long line, 3-4 deep. Imagine if the rioters did not form themselves into the "wall" to face a head-on with them, is it still possible for the police's "wall" to be effective? Instead the rioters should break into smaller groups of like 10-30 and gather into small groups (something like the infantry square) as the police "wall" charges the small groups should maintain cohesion, and the ending effect could be similar to that of running water around a rock.With the small groups of rioters as the rock, and the police "wall" as the water. Their effectiveness is built be the police's willingness to gain ground and the rioters turning their backs and fleeing. With their backs turned, this creates a "bloodlust" for the advancing group who will rush forward with more vigour and aggressivness to try break the rioters. If the small groups were to hold, the riot police will actually have the tendency to either rush forward or end up not knowing what to do, and may even try to dislodge these small groups. If they were to rush forward, then the rioters could turn on their backs. However, if they break-up to try dislodge these small groups, they end up breaking the almight and fearsome line. And thus, provide the rioters with a chance to fight back.

      Thus,that's just the tactic I would use. But then again...thats just my opinion.Cheers!

      (MOD if this is a sensitive topic,please close.Thanks)

  • BaByBoY's Avatar
    11,775 posts since Apr '03
  • beavan's Avatar
    3,923 posts since May '04
    • and why would the rioters work together when they have never even seen each other before.

  • ditzy's Avatar
    68,867 posts since Dec '03
  • Pitot's Avatar
    43,431 posts since Aug '05
    • Singaporeans see police balls shrink liao..

      Ask urself, when ur driving ur balls shrink at the sight of a white motorbike right? Laughing

      BTW, The tactical troops have more than one water cannon. They can also break into smaller groups and attack each group individually. Each tactical grp travel in their own vehicle, the new armoured one.

      I dont think the infantry squares can withstand the onslaught of water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, bean bangs and Dogs. Assuming its in Singapore.

      Anyway, I think the real threat with rioters comes more from the foreign labourers rather than singaporeans. Rolling Eyes

      Edited by Pitot 19 Aug `06, 1:54PM
  • iveco's Avatar
    17,058 posts since Mar '04
  • alwaysdisturbed's Avatar
    6,787 posts since Apr '03
    • i think rioters have a mind full of anger and certainly this doesn’t help in logical thinking. so i doubt they’ll be able to follow any plans.

  • SpecOps87's Avatar
    2,811 posts since Apr '04
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    10,553 posts since Nov '03
  • Ito_^'s Avatar
    23,162 posts since Jul '04
  • redstone's Avatar
    4,314 posts since Jul '04
    • You’ll be surrounded by a wall of policemen. You think they so stupid keep on rushing forward? They’ll turn around and surround you!

  • panzerjager's Avatar
    243 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by SpecOps87:
      Hey,

      Been watching some video clips and news on TV and seen some riots. Yah, I know its a civil matter, not a military matter, but I' just wondering...are there ways to fight against a wall of riot police?

      Been reading some military strategy books, and I've come to this conclusion.First we observe how the riot police operate, they stand in rows backed by their anti-riot vehicles etc. Equipment possessed is protective gear, a shield, helmet and for selected officers the tear gas grenade launcher. I believe firearms would not be use in this environment as it has a high tendency to be snatched away.

      Now an analysis of the rioters, people armed with a variety of weapons such as metal/wooden rods, molotov cocktails, largely close contact weapons with few projectile weapons. The majority do not possess any form of protection, other then handerkerchiefs/scarves used to mask up preventing tear gas inhalation.

      Now, the riot police actually stand in a wall, close packed to produce a menacing and intimidating view which will scare the rioters into surrendering. However, on being given the command to charge, tear gas canisters are launched, and the "wall" starts advancing slowly before breaking into a run. At this point, rarely does the rioters not flee. As the "wall" charges, follow-up vehicles with the spray come up and start to spray strong jets of water to further break the resistance of the rioters or dyes which makes them easily identifiable for arrest.

      However, I was wondering, as often the police "wall" usually is a long line, 3-4 deep. Imagine if the rioters did not form themselves into the "wall" to face a head-on with them, is it still possible for the police's "wall" to be effective? Instead the rioters should break into smaller groups of like 10-30 and gather into small groups (something like the infantry square) as the police "wall" charges the small groups should maintain cohesion, and the ending effect could be similar to that of running water around a rock.With the small groups of rioters as the rock, and the police "wall" as the water. Their effectiveness is built be the police's willingness to gain ground and the rioters turning their backs and fleeing. With their backs turned, this creates a "bloodlust" for the advancing group who will rush forward with more vigour and aggressivness to try break the rioters. If the small groups were to hold, the riot police will actually have the tendency to either rush forward or end up not knowing what to do, and may even try to dislodge these small groups. If they were to rush forward, then the rioters could turn on their backs. However, if they break-up to try dislodge these small groups, they end up breaking the almight and fearsome line. And thus, provide the rioters with a chance to fight back.

      Thus,that's just the tactic I would use. But then again...thats just my opinion.Cheers!

      (MOD if this is a sensitive topic,please close.Thanks)

      No, I think this is a worthwhile topic.

      Yes, the key is to get the riot squad to break rank so that dispersed groups of rioters can penetrate the wall. To be effective, the groups must be able to act independently and yet in co-ordinated fashion.

      Before this can happen, the location for forming up the riot must be pre-meditated upon to facilitate the best advantage for the rioters during the actual face-off. Maximum coverage of the intended 'kill-zone' for the riot squad must be afforded to the rioters, to allow the riot squad and their vehicles to be engaged from all angles.

      Existing items of the immediate environment and infrastructure are to be availed immediately as ancilliary weapons, e.g. torn down street lighting poles can be hidden and used at the appropriate time when the riot squad has dispersed and their vehicles least protected, then huge co-ordinated attacks performed on the vehicles to overwhelm them - the lighting poles can be thrust through vehicle windows as battering rams, or the vehicles can simply be swamped and overturned by flanking parties to avoid any foam or water sprays. If help is called out by the vehicle crews for the riot squad to return, remaining rioters will emerge from all surrounding buildings to molotov the riot squad or simply assault them from behind and seize their weapons as best they can - use sharp ends of their shields to drive through the armour joints in the riot squad to dismember them. Or rip off their helmets to bash their heads in.

  • ceecookie's Avatar
    9,670 posts since May '04
    • Pipe bombs should be effective.
      The materials to make the bomb is easy to get as it's found everywhere
      Btw the bomb is best for it's shrapnels so be sure to add ball bearings and nails to maximise the casualities

      An even easier bomb to make is Molotov Cocktail...Beer bottle+petrol+cloth

  • tripwire's Avatar
    2,470 posts since Feb '01
    • borrow afew elephant from singapore zoo... point them at the riot police and take our your lighter and burn the elephant tail... Mr. Green

      STAMPEDE!!!!

  • martin_lim85's Avatar
    5,832 posts since Jun '04
  • beavan's Avatar
    3,923 posts since May '04
    • why bother fighting the riot police? if they fail, then martial law will be declared and the SAF will have to come out of the camps with live ammo to enforce curfews.

      u sure u want to mess with live rounds? they sure as hell beat beanbags and rubber bullets.

  • tripwire's Avatar
    2,470 posts since Feb '01
    • Originally posted by beavan:
      why bother fighting the riot police? if they fail, then martial law will be declared and the SAF will have to come out of the camps with live ammo to enforce curfews.

      u sure u want to mess with live rounds? they sure as hell beat beanbags and rubber bullets.

      and the rioters kenna SAF100 go camp grab rifle and bullet... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    • Originally posted by martin_lim85:
      use the armor bulldozer lah Laughing

      send 500 girls rush towards them naked and screaming at the top of their voice lah... sure send shivers down the riot police spine. Mr. Green

  • ceecookie's Avatar
    9,670 posts since May '04
    • a car already have the potential to crush the riot police…and it will double up as a bomb car if coupled with explosive in it

  • beavan's Avatar
    3,923 posts since May '04
  • missqi's Avatar
    15,891 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by ceecookie:
      Pipe bombs should be effective.
      The materials to make the bomb is easy to get as it's found everywhere
      Btw the bomb is best for it's shrapnels so be sure to add ball bearings and nails to maximise the casualities

      An even easier bomb to make is Molotov Cocktail...Beer bottle+petrol+cloth

      x2.
      Why don't the rioters just throw them into the police "wall"?
      That will disperse the police already, if the rioters throw enough.This way the dispersion, however short the time span, will give the rioters enough time to surge forward as a huge group.
      Hmmm.
      Very Happy

  • tripwire's Avatar
    2,470 posts since Feb '01
    • Originally posted by missqi:
      x2.
      Why don't the rioters just throw them into the police "wall"?
      That will disperse the police already, if the rioters throw enough.This way the dispersion, however short the time span, will give the rioters enough time to surge forward as a huge group.
      Hmmm.
      Very Happy

      because behind the riot police got armor car.... with big water cannon and maybe 2 dozen dogs....

      and you dont wanna piss the riot police off... or they can get nasty.

  • missqi's Avatar
    15,891 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by tripwire:
      because behind the riot police got armor car.... with big water cannon and maybe 2 dozen dogs....

      and you dont wanna piss the riot police off... or they can get nasty.

      all the better.
      They will get lambasted for any deaths.
      Evil or Very Mad

  • tripwire's Avatar
    2,470 posts since Feb '01
    • Originally posted by missqi:
      all the better.
      They will get lambasted for any deaths.
      Evil or Very Mad

      for your death... they get one senior officer to resign, promote another one to take over ... case close. Mr. Green

  • missqi's Avatar
    15,891 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by tripwire:
      for your death... they get one senior officer to resign, promote another one to take over ... case close. Mr. Green

      You wouldn't know!
      Evil or Very Mad

      Sigh.
      The power of the government...
      And their cronies..

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