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Air-bursting grenade in rifle,SSW & GL--What did SG achieve?
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its OTOE.
Operational testing , Operation EVALUATION. SOCOM 3rd critical design and review
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/scar-cdr.htm
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cant read ? it figures why you are that dumb.
lazy to the point where i must spoonfeed you ? something entirely unforgivable.
and you spam people with your nonsense expecting them to read your endless list of crap ? your "Facts and not baseless allegations"
wall of crap lionnoisy.
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Originally posted by Yellow Duck:
Lionnoisy,
You have mentioned so many STK systems, so tell me, why is the SSW still underdevelopment? Why is it that grunts like me, have not even seen a production LWAGL even though it had been revealed on Janes so many years ago? Or even the SAR21 40GL that you have repeatedly showed off to us?
Why ah? Why ah?
and you still have the guts to ask people to ask people to tell you in not more than 100 words about a system that people are using.....
1.SSW is a complicated stuff.Which country can make NOW?
u can read from this forum that SG SSW have been selected with Nammo as
final 2 finalists for Swedish SSW.
2.In what capacity that u can see any final products?
I dunt think ST Engineering is so shameful to list uncompleted
products in her brochure.
3.SAR 21 40 ABMS 40 GL---ST Eng has not official declared its status.
i have stated few times the unknown status.
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ST Eng is not wrong to put up products that it has. So why isn't SSW, a weapon you have been plugging so often NOT on the ST products page?
http://www.stengg.com/kinetics/productlisting.aspx
Is it ready NOW as you claim? If it is selected as the finalist, wouldn't ST be trumpetting it to the world?
I agree that ST is not shameful and honest to declare on their page, what they have to sell to the world. They may be still testing it, but it is definitely not available now for the world to use or trial.
After going through the data you have presented, I am utterly and thoroughly convince that you never bother to go through your own information.
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Originally posted by Yellow Duck:
ST Eng is not wrong to put up products that it has. So why isn't SSW, a weapon you have been plugging so often NOT on the ST products page?
http://www.stengg.com/kinetics/productlisting.aspx
Is it ready NOW as you claim? If it is selected as the finalist, wouldn't ST be trumpetting it to the world?
I agree that ST is not shameful and honest to declare on their page, what they have to sell to the world. They may be still testing it, but it is definitely not available now for the world to use or trial.
After going through the data you have presented, I am utterly and thoroughly convince that you never bother to go through your own information.
ST is not binded to list all products,ready or not,in the list.
SSW has been taken out from the list.SSW has been disclosed
By Swedish ARmed Force in a US conference.
ST,if u read its history,list or announce o products in production or service only.
Very rare for ST to announce when the products are in prototype stage.
The laster include SSW,LWSPH or 40 mm grenades.Thats all i can remember.
But ST make it very clear the stage.Unlike other companies
,u dunt know it is a current descriptions or future products!!
U read Annual report then u know the products under development.
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Sg Star bring up SCAR ELGM again.
I want to tell him that it is still under development,slower than SAR 21
40 ABSM GL which is ready for production!
Microsoft Word - Cover FY07 PB -- 3 Approps2.doc
United States Special Operations
Command
Fiscal Year (FY) 2009 Budget Estimates
February 2008official news.
search EGLM ,go to last 2 search results.
pages 188
SCAR - EGLM System Engineering--2009 and 2010.
Is it ready for use?NO.
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BTW,XM 25 is still under development.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Chyma.pdf
Product Manager Individual Weapons
Overview
For the
Small Arms Symposium & Exhibition
National Defense Industrial AssociationBG R. Mark Brown
Program Executive Officer Soldier
19-22 May 2008LTC Tim Chyma
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if u want update and official info,just check these 3 guys reports
in every year
International Infantry & Joint Services Small Arms Systems Symposium, 19-22 May 2008, Dallas, TX
in
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/
PM Soldier Weapons
Mr. Richard Audette, Deputy, PM Soldier Weapons
LTC Timothy Chyma, USA, PM Individual Weapons
LTC Michael Ascura, USA, PM Crew Served Weapons
,,,,,hh
then u will know what is completed or still under development.
weapon prefix with XM is under development,with M is ok lah.
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there are quite a no. of SCAR with GL.
But i cant find fire control unit !!NO FCU.No ABMS!!
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Abram.pdf
This slide also tell u the
Technical Evaluation, Operational Evaluation
procedures in US SOF procurement!!
Technical Evaluation, Operational Evaluation, Lessons Learned in Small Arms Procurement
Joe Abram
Small Arms Weapons Division
Joint Weapons Engineering Branch
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come on folks ! lets do the lionnoisy boogie dance !
to the tune of Jet, Are you gonna be my girl
Big black boots,
long brown hair,
she's so sweet
with her get back starereplace with :
Big brown crap
long brown crap
he's so annoying
with its Crap crap crapCRAP CRAP CRAP
CRAPPPPPPP
he's so CRAP
with its CRAP CRAP CRAP !its quite a shame though, the kid is really quite cute.
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This is a 30 mm ABMS from ATK.Status--pl read on.
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008gun_missile/brochure.pdf
6360—30MM Air Bursting
Munitions for the MK44 Cannon
Mr. Erik Elmer, ATK@@@@@@@@@@@
it is not fun to wait so many years for Future weapon or ammo!!
pl wait till 2012 for a 30 mm ABSM!!How about XM 25?
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Originally posted by sgstars:
its OTOE.
Operational testing , Operation EVALUATION. SOCOM 3rd critical design and review
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/scar-cdr.htm
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cant read ? it figures why you are that dumb.
lazy to the point where i must spoonfeed you ? something entirely unforgivable.
and you spam people with your nonsense expecting them to read your endless list of crap ? your "Facts and not baseless allegations"
wall of crap lionnoisy.
tx for your home work.here are the full procedures.
Thats mean is not ready for fielding lah....or not for mass release lah>>
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Abram.pdf BOQ
Test Plan
•Test Phase I
–Down select/Safety
•Test Phase II
–User Assessment/Design Development
•Test Phase III
–Pre-Operational Test/Design Prove-out
•Test Phase IV
–Operational Testing/Final Design Reviewread slides for details...
PS.i cant find any FCU in SCAR in this slide!!
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YAWN...
since you cant read. i guess ild have to show some videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IN_Tz6opQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbGydFbgNkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46cNhVxItZ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjKCor12Iw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEXv5mMucwM
JUST IN case you do learn to read :
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003597.html
FNH USA has gotten the go-ahead to move into Operational Test and Evaluation of the SOCOM Combat Assault Rifle (Heavy) and (Light), as well as the Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module.
From FNH:
FN Herstal announced today through FNH USA that the Special Operations
Forces (SOF) Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) and Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module (EGLM) program has received approval from the United States Government (USG) to enter into the Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) phase. Scheduled to commence in July and be complete by mid-December, the IOT&E will consist of select US Military operators testing the weapons in simulated “real-world” mission scenarios. Both quantitative and qualitative data will be collected, with the ultimate and desired outcome having the weapons being designated “Operationally Effective” and “Operationally Suitable” for fielding to US Forces.This next step comes close on the heels of the SCAR and EGLM successfully passing their Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP) acceptance testing conducted February through June of 2007. Going forward, as all timelines fall into place and the weapons test successfully, the SCAR and EGLM can be fielded, on a limited basis, to select US Military Forces by late fall of 2007. Plans to fully field the weapons are now developed and in place, with over $25M (procurement) budgeted in the FY2008 Presidential Budget and over $6M slated for FY2009.
From personal experience, I just gotta say these weapons rock. I fired the SCAR Heavy and Light at FNH’s range near Fredericksburg, Va., several months ago and fell particularly in love with the SCAR Heavy. The gas/piston system has a great “thunk-thunk” mechanical feel to it and the 7.62 caliber heavy packs a heck of a punch. The SCAR Light is easy to fire, very adjustable, and the barrels are easy to interchange - creating basically a whole new weapon for each variation.
Much to my chagrin, they wouldn’t let me test fire the EGLM (darn!).
With the new move to IOT&E, the SCAR earns a new designation: Mk-16 and Mk-17...
The SCAR system consists of two highly adaptable modular rifle platforms and a grenade launcher. Now US DoD type-designated as the MK 16 MOD 0 5.56mm Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle - Light (SCAR-L) and the MK 17 MOD 0 7.62mm Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle – Heavy (SCAR-H), both SCAR platforms are available with three different barrel lengths optimized for conducting operations in close-quarters combat, standard infantry and longer-range precision fire roles. All SCAR barrels can be easily interchanged by the operator in the field in just minutes to instantly meet the requirements of virtually any mission. The newly designated MK 13 MOD 0 40mm Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module (EGLM) quickly mounts to the underside of either SCAR platform, providing additional punch to the individual warfighter’s firepower and can be easily configured for use as a stand-alone weapon as well.
FNH says the Mk-16 and Mk-17 are the first assault rifles to be procured through a “full and open competition” since the M4/M16 carbines in the 1960s. Both FNH weapons are impressive and we’ll see how the operational tests and initial fielding go. I bet operators who get a chance to “test” them won’t want to give them up. I didn’t
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yawn......
i found this in the link you posted :) irony isnt it ? proof you cant read
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3031/is_5_32/ai_n30958975/pg_2?tag=artBody;col1
To replace the M4 Socom is now fielding the FN Herstal Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (Scar) family, which consists of the 5.56-mm Mk 16 Scar-Light, the 7.62-mm Mk 17 Scar-Heavy and the 40-mm Mk 13 Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module (EGLM), which can be fitted to both models as well as the M4A1 carbine. Originally a separate request for proposals had been issued for an ELGM to replace the M203 in January 2004, but two months later it was merged with the Scar project. The ELGM leverages technology from the 40-mm UGL developed as part of the company's F2000 5.56-mm Modular Assault Weapon System. The EGLM consists of the grenade launcher, a fire control system and a buttstock assembly to allow the EGLM to be used as a stand-alone weapon. The FN Herstal launcher weighs 1.3 kg and measures 30 cm in length when used in the under-barrel mode; the standalone weapon weighs 2.7 kg and measures 67.5 cm with buttstock extended. The ELGM fires standard 40 x 46 mm munitions, special low velocity munitions and can also accommodate longer munitions than the M203. A Special Operations requirement is that the 'Increment 1' ELGM can be upgraded to fire 'Increment 2' programmable munitions. Under an eight-year indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity contract up to 21,000 launchers, 25,000 fire control units and 25,000 butt-stocks could be ordered.
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3031/is_/ai_n29401999
Small Arms
In December 2007 the US Special Operations Command is scheduled to complete the Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) of the FN Herstal 5.56 mm/7.62 mm Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (Scar) and the 40 mm Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module (EGLM). A positive outcome will result in the weapons being designated 'Operationally Effective' and 'Operationally Suitable' for fielding. The Scar is one of the most important small arms projects in the world today.
Socom released a request for proposals in January 2004 and only eleven months later selected FN Herstal's candidate from numerous worldwide competitors. The requirement was influenced by a number of factors, including dissatisfaction with the performance of the 5.56 mm M4 carbine in the War on Terror and the need for a weapon that fires a more powerful cartridge than the Nato standard 5.56 x 45 mm SS109 (US M855) round.
Development was expedited by bringing Socom project managers, budget officials and special forces operators together at FN Herstal's facilities in Liege, Belgium. Operators were able to suggest changes to the weapon's design to FN engineers, who often presented a solution the next day, thus telescoping a process that normally takes months if not years. This procedure also ensured the design truly meets the needs of frontline SOF operators. Scar production is anticipated at FN's facility in Columbia.
The Scar's modular design provides 90% 'ergonomic compatibility' and 60% parts commonality between the two different calibre weapons, which have now been type-classified as the Mk 16 Mod 0 Scar-L and the Mk 17 Mod 0 Scar-H. The Mk 16 can be fitted with a 254 mm close quarter combat (CQC) barrel, a 355.60 mm standard barrel and a 457.2 mm long barrel for accurate fire at longer ranges while the Mk 17 has 330.20 mm, 406.40 and 508 mm barrels. The CQC barrel is intended for use at combat ranges up to 200 metres, while the standard barrel is designed for combat at 300 to 500 metres and the SV barrel is optimised to engage targets between 500 and 800 metres.
The user is able to change barrels in less than five minutes with the aid of a special wrench, thus allowing the soldier to choose the appropriate barrel length for a specific mission. Both weapons are fitted with MIL-STD-1913 'Picatinny' rails at the 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock positions that are compatible with 'nearly' all of the components of the M4 carbine Special Operations Modification (Sopmod) kit and the new twelve-gauge XM26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System produced by C-More Systems. A requirement for a weapon that can use 'pickup' 7.62 x 39 mm Russian standard ammunition found in operational situations may be met through further development of the Mk 17. The third distinct element of the project is the EGLM, now type classified as the Mk 13 Mod 0, which can be fitted to both calibre weapons and also used as a stand-alone weapon. The EGLM is derived from the grenade launcher FNH developed for its modular F2000 5.56 mm assault rifle.
In October 2007 FN Herstal (FNH) completed deliveries of 886 Mk 16s, 772 Mk 17s and 196 Mk 13s ordered under a low-rate initial production contract for the IOT&E phase. Socom has requested funding to buy 3502 Mk 16s, 2798 Mk 17s and 1804 Mk 13s worth more than $ 25 million in fiscal year 2008 (FY08) and 1569 Mk 16s, 500 Mk 17s and 500 Mk 13s worth more than $ six million the following year. Officials have previously indicated the project could total 84,000 5.56 mm and 15,000 7.62 mm weapons. FNH should be well placed with the Scar should the US Army decide to revive its protracted efforts to field a replacement for the 5.56 mm M16 rifle/M4 carbine family.
how ?
in full scale production and got FCU
I dont want to hear irrelevant answers. i only want YES/NO answers. Ive answered your bullshit about FCU
how now lionnoisy ?
what about a queene ? when u going to answer that ? can i request that for my christmas present ?
whats a queene ?
whats a twrhbansrk ?
whats a DDDDDDDDDDDDD ?
this is what you keep doing day in day out lionnoisy :
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my apology.
i forget that XM 307 was cancelled in the review of FCS in FY 2008!!
Therefore Yankees still need the few decades old MK 19.
http://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/transform/Major_Acquisition_Programs_Future_Combat_System.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/fcs.htm
Eliminates XM307 (Advanced Crew Served Weapon)---BOQ
eee
U may alreday heard the powerful bang of XM307 and watched
the well known documentary here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMiYFkL2V1U
Why did US still order ''several thousand units''
few decades old MK 19 GL in Oct 2008?
http://www.defensenews.com/osd_story.php?sh=VSDA&i=3762184
GD, ATK Ink Deals for Grenade Launchers
'X' in XM 307 indicates the weapon is not for mass release.
So,next time when u read XM 307,pl check the status for me---
in development or in service!!
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just like when u read this,u may think XM 307 is ready or soon to be ready.
http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl24-e.htm
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ST Kinetics
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/listing.aspx?pdtypeid=1
Light Weight Automatic Grenade Launcher--19.5 kg
alreday in production for few years lah.
Pl note the barrel of CIS GL also move fore and back,like XM 307,
to reduce recoil.I hope no one here will say ST K is a copy cat!!
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BOQ
GD, ATK Ink Deals for Grenade Launchers
By kris osborn
Published: 8 Oct 08:30 EDT (12:30 GMT)The U.S. Army's Picatinny Arsenal, N.J., has awarded ATK and General Dynamics Armament and Technical Products (GDATP) a contract to deliver Mk19 Grenade Machine Guns, battle-tested 72-pound, 40mm weapons able to fire up to 375 rounds per minute at ranges out to 2,000 meters. Deliveries are expected to begin next year, ATK and Army officials said.
"The Mk19 gives a military unit a heavy volume of close, accurate, continuous fire which can be used against hovering enemy aircraft and lightly armored vehicles by providing devastating fire into an engagementarea," said Richard Audette, deputy program manager for soldier weapons, Picatinny Arsenal, N.J., speaking in September before the contract award.
In total, the Army plans to buy 4,600 new grenade launchers, Audette said.
As the incumbent Mk19 producer, GDATP was awarded two Mk19 contracts Oct. 7 for $66 million, according to a GDATP press statement.
Meanwhile, ATK's $53.4 million award marks the company's first contract to produce crew-served weapons systems, officials said. ATK partnered with FN Manufacturing (FNMI) for the competition.
"The scope of the award was several thousand units," said Jim Cates, manager with ATK mission systems. "The Mk19 is an old weapon that has been around for 30 years. We put together a solid industry team with FNMI that offered the Army a low-risk approach."
GDATP has built more than 37,000 Mk19s since 1984. The U.S. Army now has 23,313 Mk19s in its inventory. A fully loaded Mk19 costs roughly $21,500.
Typically mounted on vehicles, the Mk19 is designed with an open-bolt firing mechanism so that rounds don't overheat in the barrel and accidentally "cook off."
"The weapon's [high explosive ammunition] has a safe-and-arm mechanism where it doesn't arm until it gets about 18 meters from the gun," said Jeffrey Gramse, GDATP Mk19 program manager.
Irregular wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are driving the need for more Mk19s, Audette said.
"Humvees are the main use right now, and we're seeing that a little more in Afghanistan than in Iraq," Audette said. "In Iraq, what you have is a lot of activity in close quarters, and when you are talking about a high-explosive grenade, you are always worried about collateral damage."---EOQ
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my apology.
i forget that XM 307 was cancelled in the review of FCS in 2007!!
Therefore Yankees still need the few decades old MK 19.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/fcs.htm
Eliminates XM307 (Advanced Crew Served Weapon)---BOQ
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u know i hate hear says!!
i like damn official data first then we go to vertify or reject.
This is official that u wont see XM 307 in the field so soon
http://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/transform/Major_Acquisition_Programs_Future_Combat_System.html--BOQ
Eliminates the XM-307 (advanced crew served weapon).
Appendix 1—Summary of Major Changes to the FCS Program in FY08
- Reduces the FCS family of systems from 18 to 14.
- Slips Milestone C, initial operational capability, and full operational capability up to five months (Milestone C, second quarter of FY13; initial operational capability, third quarter of FY15; full operational capability, third quarter of FY17).
- Reduces rate of production from 1½ FCS brigade combat teams per year to 1 FCS brigade combat team per year.
- Increases rate of Spin-Out production from four per year to six per year.
- Eliminates two classes of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV; Class II and III). Increases number of Class IV UAV from 24 to 32 per brigade combat team. Reduces number of Class I UAV from 108 to 54 per brigade combat team.
- Reduces number of non-line-of-sight launch systems from 60 to 24 controller launch units (CLUs) with one reload per CLU per brigade combat team.
- Increases number of unattended ground sensors–tactical (UGS-T) from 162 to 202 per brigade combat team.
- Defers heavy armed robotic vehicle (assault and reconnaissance) and Class II and III UAVs indefinitely.
- Funds FCS unique munitions; mid-range munition beginning in FY08 and advanced kinetic energy beginning in FY12.
- Removes the intelligent munition system (IMS) from the FCS brigade combat team. (Stand-alone IMS program remains intact to meet national land mine policy.)
- Eliminates the XM-307 (advanced crew served weapon).
- Replaces Spin-Outs 2, 3, and 4 with Spin Out 3 only, consisting of the Class 1 UAV, small unmanned ground vehicle, armed robotic vehicle–light, Class 4 UAV, and Army battle command system to battle command. Fields in FY14.
- Reduces Warfighter Information Network–Tactical (WIN-T) points of presence from 136 to 101 (80 in FCS platforms).
- Changes radio mix (fewer 8-channel radios).--EOQ
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Yawn...
FN2000 to SCAR EGLM to what now ? XM307 ?
like fingolfin noldor says, you DO need a lobotomy. go screw urself.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
KE (Kinetic Energy )ie rifle from SSW
Sg Ty mentioned few times SSW KE is weaker than FN 2000
Korean and Australia OICW.
I dunt know how SG Ty gets the info when Oz OICW is still in drawing board.
Even it is true,is it a must to have very powerful rifle in today warfare?
We always want very powerful weapon.But have u considered
the size and weight and the possibility in tomorrow warfares?
Now is 2008.Not Vitenam,Korea wars!!
Pl sit down .Think how u will fight tomorrow war,before
u design the spec of your weapons for tomorrow!!
Many military experts predicts there is likelyhood
that most of military will fight in MOUT !!
There is some good reasons for SAF to build
a small town recently to train MOUT!!
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004arms/session3/arvidsson.pdf
So rifle of SG SSW still can do a good job in MOUT,with rifle range of 200m!!
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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-14321.html
This is a deleted info from ST.
mmm
Gday, this is my first post here, I hope you don't mind if I join the discussion? as I would like to point out a few things, lionnoisy said "I dunt know how SG Ty gets the info when Oz OICW is still in drawing board" I don't know where you got that information from, but firstly let me tell you that it is called the AICW (Advanced Individual Combat weapon) it is based on the Steyr rifle and is fitted with FCS and a 3 shot grenade launcher, it has been tested sucessfully, it is a low pressure GL at the moment, and looks to be fielded in 2010 or thereabouts.
I have an idea that the delay here in fielding, is because the DSTO in Oz have a second CTD (Concept Technology Demonstrator)for the AICW, one where they say both the rifle and the GL are high velocity (I take that to mean High Pressure), I saw some discussion previously about how the 40mm grenade compared to 25mm over long distances left the 40mm version wanting? this will fix that problem in one fell swoop, I believe it will be using stacked propellant technology which is one method of achieving Mach 5/50 physics, perhaps in the Rifle but certainly in the GL, when I say perhaps in the Rifle ? I see that metalstorm has a patent for a type of cartridge that has two projectile in each and is electronically fired causing both projectiles to leave at hyper velocity,it is still mag fed and is similar in operation to the existing principles behind the Styer I believe except that it is fired electronically, we shall see then what people think of the AICW then??? as I believe it will have selectable range as well as selectable kinetic impact, you just watch them take notice then!
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ok, putting aside all this flaming, are airburst grenades considered cluster munitions?
On a side note im sure we've all heard of the recent accords signed by majority of the world's nations banning the use, storage and manufacture of cluster munitions... one of the countries who refused to sign and continue to store and manufacture cluster munitions is non other thannnn........ Singapore.
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Originally posted by 4Justice:
ok, putting aside all this flaming, are airburst grenades considered cluster munitions?
On a side note im sure we've all heard of the recent accords signed by majority of the world's nations banning the use, storage and manufacture of cluster munitions... one of the countries who refused to sign and continue to store and manufacture cluster munitions is non other thannnn........ Singapore.
not sure.
i m not too sure of the technicalities of it but it would depend on the munition.
1) munition explodes = produce shnarpel = not a cluster munition
2) munition explodes = release sub-munitions= sub munitions explode = cluster munitionwe are coincidentally the world's largest manufacturer of AP mines. next time you see a legless kid in some report or article about some conflict zone or in the dark continent, do remember the good folks at ST Kinetics. pretty high probability of that mine being produced in singapore.
on a more serious note, ST is a indiscriminate seller. Lots of arms and ammunition being used by the burmese Junta and the rebel groups in their armed conflicts come from ST. no open sales but under the table distribution.
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Originally posted by sgstars:
not sure.
i m not too sure of the technicalities of it but it would depend on the munition.
1) munition explodes = produce shnarpel = not a cluster munition
2) munition explodes = release sub-munitions= sub munitions explode = cluster munitionwe are coincidentally the world's largest manufacturer of AP mines. next time you see a legless kid in some report or article about some conflict zone or in the dark continent, do remember the good folks at ST Kinetics. pretty high probability of that mine being produced in singapore.
on a more serious note, ST is a indiscriminate seller. Lots of arms and ammunition being used by the burmese Junta and the rebel groups in their armed conflicts come from ST. no open sales but under the table distribution.
I await the day ST's actions bite them in the back...
Also, no winners why the Singapore government doesn't say much when the Myammar Junta go crushing some random rebel.
