Past bus routes and deployment

• service_238

  7 Mar 10, 03:19

  Originally posted by SMB32T:

  
  Feeder replacements after Volvo B57s and Merc OF1417s were gone:-

  • Bt Merah, Buona Vista, Clementi, Bt Batok, CCK feeders under ARBP/BBDEP: Volvo MK2 (mostly WAs)
  • Hougang, Eunos feeders under HGDEP: Volvo MK2 (mostly DMs)
  • Jurong East, Boon Lay feeders under JRBP (SLBP): Merc 0405s
  • Ang Mo Kio, Serangoon feeders under AMDEP: Merc 0405s
  • Toa Payoh, Bishan feeders under TPDEP (BRBP): Scania N113CRBs
  • Bedok, Tampines, Pasir Ris feeders under BNDEP: Scania N113CRBs

  To add on that Kent Ridge route group was under JRBP in the past, services 151 (partial JRBP) and 200 operated with Merc 0405 fleets. It was after the major SBS/Tibs swop in 1999 when Kent Ridge bus routes were given to BBDEP.

  In Sept 2004 Serangoon route group went under HGDEP, whereas Eunos route group went under BRBP.

  bbdep/arbp/hgdep continued the B10M legacy with Mk3s and Mk4s in its place after the Mk2s are gone.

  slbp/amdep ones lasted until recently then.... K230!

  410 N113s were replaced by NAC O405s then OAC O405s then... K230!
  Toa Payoh ones went the same 'rite of passage' less the NAC part.

  bndep ones evolved to Mk3s and Mk4s then... K230! bbdep/arbp/hgdep will follow this 'rite of passage' when the time comes.

• iveco

  9 Mar 10, 11:10

  Originally posted by SMB32T:

  
  Feeder replacements after Volvo B57s and Merc OF1417s were gone:-

  • Bt Merah, Buona Vista, Clementi, Bt Batok, CCK feeders under ARBP/BBDEP: Volvo MK2 (mostly WAs)
  • Hougang, Eunos feeders under HGDEP: Volvo MK2 (mostly DMs)
  • Jurong East, Boon Lay feeders under JRBP (SLBP): Merc 0405s
  • Ang Mo Kio, Serangoon feeders under AMDEP: Merc 0405s
  • Toa Payoh, Bishan feeders under TPDEP (BRBP): Scania N113CRBs
  • Bedok, Tampines, Pasir Ris feeders under BNDEP: Scania N113CRBs

  To add on that Kent Ridge route group was under JRBP in the past, services 151 (partial JRBP) and 200 operated with Merc 0405 fleets. It was after the major SBS/Tibs swop in 1999 when Kent Ridge bus routes were given to BBDEP.

  In Sept 2004 Serangoon route group went under HGDEP, whereas Eunos route group went under BRBP.

  Svc 93 had majority NAC MErc fleet before even though it was ARBP all along.

  226 had DM Mk IIs, 350 had NAC Mercs.

  Some NAC Mercs in HGDEP served 385.

• SBS8533C

  9 Mar 10, 18:47

  Also 354, 357, 358, 359 did have mercs running.
• SMB32T

  10 Mar 10, 07:00

  Originally posted by iveco:

  Svc 93 had majority NAC MErc fleet before even though it was ARBP all along.

  226 had DM Mk IIs, 350 had NAC Mercs.

  Some NAC Mercs in HGDEP served 385.

  
  Yup, forgot to add on that in the past the SBS NAC Merc 0405s were spread around all the depots in the 90s with a small number under BNDEP, HGDEP and ARBP/BBDEP. It was in 2000 when all the NAC 0405s were converted to CAC, the 0405s were all assigned only to AMDEP, BRBP and SLBP.

• iveco

  10 Mar 10, 09:24

  Originally posted by SMB32T:

  
  Yup, forgot to add on that in the past the SBS NAC Merc 0405s were spread around all the depots in the 90s with a small number under BNDEP, HGDEP and ARBP/BBDEP. It was in 2000 when all the NAC 0405s were converted to CAC, the 0405s were all assigned only to AMDEP, BRBP and SLBP.

  
  Well, I was surprised that 62 had NAC Mercs. I thought 62 NAC fleet was DM Mk IIs.

  Anyway, was 185 [CCK-Shenton Way (later shortened to Upp Bt Timah Rd)] under JRBP? I thought northwest side all under BBDEP.

  What buses did 344 use when BPJ was still SBS territory?

• TIB1010Y

  10 Mar 10, 23:19

  yeah miss those 1st generaton bendies that used to deployed on yishun routes. especially on svc 812, 851... ex-tibs 82 as well.. wonder how the bendies make their turn at the end of punggol rd

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 09:36

  Originally posted by iveco:

  
  Well, I was surprised that 62 had NAC Mercs. I thought 62 NAC fleet was DM Mk IIs.

  Anyway, was 185 [CCK-Shenton Way (later shortened to Upp Bt Timah Rd)] under JRBP? I thought northwest side all under BBDEP.

  What buses did 344 use when BPJ was still SBS territory?

  
  62 did have NAC Merc running when it was in HGDEP. On certain occasions, it ran on HGS feeders (321, 322, 323, 326, 327, 328) and made appearences like 74, 82, 132 & 151.
  
  185 used to be from BBDEP at first then it was being controlled by JRBP. NAC Mercs do appear on 185.
  
  As for Bt Panajng feeders (343, 344), it uses Volvo B57s then Volvo MK2s (when B57s removed)..
  
  Clarifying about sv 5 (Bt Panajng to Geylang Fringe CP) - this service was based in HGDEP/BBDEP. MB O305s from HGDEP also used to serve 5 (on top of the B57s, MK2/3, OFs & LAs (there were no LO2x or VO2x)

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 11:12

  How many times did 980 shifted it's depot control from Woodland to AMK, Then AMK - WL?

• iveco

  11 Mar 10, 11:12

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  
  Clarifying about sv 5 (Bt Panajng to Geylang Fringe CP) - this service was based in HGDEP/BBDEP. MB O305s from HGDEP also used to serve 5 (on top of the B57s, MK2/3, OFs & LAs (there were no LO2x or VO2x)

  The old Svc 5 was dominated by DDs when SBS was in charge. It was one of the few BPJ routes that had DDs serving it.

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 11:21

  Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:

  How many times did 980 shifted it's depot control from Woodland to AMK, Then AMK - WL?

  
  980 was former 160.
  
  Let's take an overview of the service..
  1) 160 - KJ (initial - when TIBS takeover its services in 1983, its depot was only based in KJDEP)
  2) 160 - AM/KJ
  3) 160 - AM/WL
  4) 980 - AM/WL
  5) 980 - AM
  6) 980 - AM/WL

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 11:25

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  980 was former 160.
  
  Let's take an overview of the service..
  1) 160 - KJ (initial - when TIBS takeover its services in 1983, its depot was only based in KJDEP)
  2) 160 - AM/KJ
  3) 160 - AM/WL
  4) 980 - AM/WL
  5) 980 - AM
  6) 980 - AM/WL

  so 06 is the final time where 980 went under w'lands control, and stayed ever since?

• iveco

  11 Mar 10, 11:28

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  980 was former 160.
  
  Let's take an overview of the service..
  1) 160 - KJ (initial - when TIBS takeover its services in 1983, its depot was only based in KJDEP)
  2) 160 - AM/KJ
  3) 160 - AM/WL
  4) 980 - AM/WL
  5) 980 - AM
  6) 980 - AM/WL

  Wasn't AMDEP the HQ of Tibs before SMRT merger?

  No wonder Hispano DAFs ever served 160. KJ side is DAF heaven.

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 11:48

  HISTORY OF TIBS SERVICES (Depot-Controlled). List exclude any crossovers, NR services & Premium service
  
  59 - AMDEP [service withdrawn; replaced by 866]
  61 - AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  67 - AMDEP/KJDEP
  75 - KJDEP; WLDEP; KJDEP
  77 - KJDEP
  82 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  103 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  106 - AMDEP/KJDEP; KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP [service became KJDEP when 106 shortened to Marina Centre]
  160 - KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP [renumbered to 980]
  161 - KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP [service withdrawn]
  163 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  164 - KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP [service withdrawn}
  167 - KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  169 - KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  171 - AMDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  172 - KJDEP
  173 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  175 - KJDEP [service replaced by 975]
  176 - KJDEP
  177 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  178 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  179 - KJDEP [service withdrawn}
  180 - KJDEP [Marsiling-WTC; service withdrawn]
  180 - KJDEP [Bt Panjang-Boon Lay]
  181 - KJDEP; WLDEP [service withdrawn]
  182 - KJDEP [service withdarwn}
  184 - KJDEP; WLDEP; KJDEP
  187 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  188 - KJDEP
  188E - KJDEP
  189 - KJDEP
  190 - KJDEP; KJDEP/AMDEP; KJDEP
  214E - AMDEP [service renumbered to 820]
  214W - AMDEP [service renumbered to 821]
  300 - KJDEP
  302 - KJDEP
  307 - KJDEP
  343 - KJDEP [service withdrawn}
  344 - KJDEP [service withdrawn]
  345 - KJDEP [service withdrawn]
  361 - KJDEP [service renumbered to 941]
  365 - KJDEP [service renumbered to 945]
  367 - KJDEP [service renumbered to 947]
  372 - KJDEP [service withdrawn; replaced by 903]
  520 - AMDEP [service withdrawn]
  521 - WLDEP [service withdrawn;replaced by 963]
  700 - KJDEP; WLDEP; KJDEP [RapidBus]
  800 - AMDEP
  801 - AMDEP [service replaced by 811]
  802 - AMDEP [service replaced by 812]
  803 - AMDEP [service replaced by 812]
  804 - AMDEP
  804A - AMDEP [service renumbered to 806]
  805 - AMDEP [service replaced by 811]
  806 - AMDEP
  811 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  812 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  820 - AMDEP
  821 - AMDEP
  825 - AMDEP [bus plus]
  850 - AMDEP [service withdrawn]
  851 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  852 - AMDEP/KJDEP; WLDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP; WLDEP
  853 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  854 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  854E - AMDEP
  855 - AMDEP/KJDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  856 - AMDEP; WLDEP
  857 - AMDEP [Yishun-Admiralty Rd West; serivce withdrawn]
  857 - WLDEP [Yishun-Suntec City]
  858 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  859 - WLDEP; AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  860 - AMDEP [service withdrawn;replaced by 865]
  864 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  865 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  866 - AMDEP [service handed to SBS]
  882 - AMDEP/WLDEP
  900 - KJDEP [Woodlands-Woodlands St 13; service replaced by 911]
  900/900A - WLDEP [Woodlands-Woodlands Dr14; 900A serve Champions Way]
  901 - KJDEP [Woodlands - Woodlands St81; service replaced by 911]
  901 - WLDEP [Woodlands-Woodlands Dr 16]
  902 - KJDEP [Woodalnds - Woodlands St 32; service replaced by 912]
  902 - WLDEP [Woodalnds - Republic Poly]
  903 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  904 - KJDEP [service replaced by 913]
  905 - KJDEP [service replaced by 912}
  906 - KJDEP [ Service replaced by 913]
  911 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  912 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  913 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  920 - WLDEP; KJDEP; WLDEP
  921 - WLDEP
  922 - WLDEP; KJDEP; WLDEP
  925 - KJDEP [excluding crossover]
  926 - KJDEP
  927 - KJDEP
  941  - KJDEP
  945 - KJDEP
  947 - KJDEP
  950 - KJDEP [Marsiling-Shenton Way;service withdrawn]
  950 - WLDEP [ Woodlands - Kotaraya II]
  951 - KJDEP [service withdrawal]
  952 - KJDEP [service withdrawal}
  960 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  961 - WLDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  962 - WLDEP
  963 - WLDEP
  963E - WLDEP
  963R - WLDEP
  964 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  965 - WLDEP/AMDEP
  966 - WLDEP
  969 - WLDEP/AMDEP
  970 - WLDEP; KJDEP
  975 - KJDEP
  980 - AMDEP/WLDEP; AMDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP
  981 - WLDEP
  985 - KJDEP; KJDEP/AMDEP
  985W - KJDEP [service withdrawn]
  989 - KJDEP [service withdrawn]
  SS7 - KJDEP [service withdarwn]
  RWS8 - AMDEP
  RWS88 - KJDEP
  
  Correct me if there is any mistakes!

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 11:49

  Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:

  so 06 is the final time where 980 went under w'lands control, and stayed ever since?

  WLDEP/AMDEP is the final time in 2001..

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 11:53

  For how long did 75 stayed under KJ's control, before it x-overed to w'lands, and went over to KJ in 08' ?

   

  and for 106's case, was 08' the first time it went under AMK's control?

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 11:53

  Originally posted by iveco:

  Wasn't AMDEP the HQ of Tibs before SMRT merger?

  No wonder Hispano DAFs ever served 160. KJ side is DAF heaven.

  
  AMDEP is the HQ of TIBS since 1986. Before that, TIBS buses were only based in KJDEP. So KJDEP was the very first bus depot of TIBS before AMDEP.

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 11:57

  Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:

  For how long did 75 stayed under KJ's control, before it x-overed to w'lands, and went over to KJ in 08' ?

   

  and for 106's case, was 08' the first time it went under AMK's control?

  
  When sv 75 was handed to TIBS on 6 Aug 1995, the service was under KJDEP until sometime on 26 Dec 1999 - the opening of Bukit Panajng Int, it was under WLDEP = 4 years in KJDEP (1995-1999) ; 8 years in WLDEP (2000-2008).
  
  For 106 case, it was AMDEP/KJDEP when it was taken over on 24 Dec 2000 and became KJDEP when the service shorteened to Marina Centre in 2003 = 3 years in AMDEP/KJDEP (2000-2003); 5 years in KJDEP (2003-2008).

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 12:18

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  
  For 106 case, it was AMDEP/KJDEP when it was taken over on 24 Dec 2000 and became KJDEP when the service shorteened to Marina Centre in 2003 = 3 years in AMDEP/KJDEP (2000-2003); 5 years in KJDEP (2003-2008).

  is it 50:50, as in both sides has it fair share of control whe it was handed over?

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 12:27

  Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:

  is it 50:50, as in both sides has it fair share of control whe it was handed over?

  KJDEP had given 4 AM/PM duties to AMDEP (note that 2 sv106 buses from KJDEP were sent to AMDEP 106).

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 12:36

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  KJDEP had given 4 AM/PM duties to AMDEP (note that 2 sv106 buses from KJDEP were sent to AMDEP 106).

  so AMK has the minority control when it was handed over, and up till now?

   

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 14:20

  Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:

  so AMK has the minority control when it was handed over, and up till now?

   

  Yes. even during the  Bt Batok - Serangoon era of 2000-2003. This service mostly uses the bendies from AM/KJ, sometime Dennis lance from AMDEP too.
  
  If you ever see a cameo of a Dennis lance or any AMDEP buses like TIB958U on 106 - this reminds you of the past when such buses appeared on 106 during the Bt Batok-Serangoon era.

• One Harmonius Blend

  11 Mar 10, 14:26

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  If you ever see a cameo of a Dennis lance or any AMDEP buses like TIB958U on 106 - this reminds you of the past when such buses appeared on 106 during the Bt Batok-Serangoon era.

  oh, dennis lance, i saw both before  on 106, 1012S did 106 before last month

• SBS8533C

  11 Mar 10, 14:30

  Another correction that I wanted to point out on one of the Jurong East services:
  
  At start when 97 was introduced in 1983... the service used to be from Jurong East Ctrl Ter to Shenton Way operating in peak hours. When sv 86 was integrated with Service 97, service 97 was then extended to Hougang (South) Int on 20 Dec 1983 and converted into a full day service.
  
  86 used to serve from Hougang (South) to Shenton Way for a short period of time, when the 3 roadside terminals being abolished on the same year itself.
• SMB32T

  11 Mar 10, 16:52

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  
  980 was former 160.
  
  Let's take an overview of the service..
  1) 160 - KJ (initial - when TIBS takeover its services in 1983, its depot was only based in KJDEP)
  2) 160 - AM/KJ
  3) 160 - AM/WL
  4) 980 - AM/WL
  5) 980 - AM
  6) 980 - AM/WL

  
  980 was made full AMDEP again in Sept 2004 for a short period of time when 950 was introduced. Went back to partial WLDEP in Oct 2004 (3 full duties to WLDEP). Ever since then some duties were bounced between AMDEP and WLDEP as follows:-

  Sept 2004: full AMDEP
  Oct 2004: 3 full duties to WLDEP (AMDEP 8 full + 2 S, WLDEP 3 full)
  Mar 2005: 3 more duties to WLDEP (AMDEP 6 full + 1 S, WLDEP 5 full + 1 S)
  Jun 2005: 2 full duties back to AMDEP (AMDEP 8 full + 1 S, WLDEP 3 full + 1 S)

  
  Note in Nov 2007 there were arrangements whereby WLDEP operates more buses on 980 on weekends, replacing some AMDEP slots...

  Nov 2007: (Sun and Pub Hols only): 1 TQ and 2 full to WLDEP (AMDEP 6 full + 2 PM, WLDEP 5 full + 2 TQ + 1 PM)
  Nov 2007 (Sat only): 1 TQ to WLDEP (AMDEP 8 full, WLDEP 3 full + 2 TQ)

  May 2008: 2 full duties to AMDEP...

  Weekday: AMDEP 10 full + 1 S, WLDEP 1 full + 1 S
  Saturday: AMDEP 10 full, WLDEP 1 full + 2 TQ
  Sunday: AMDEP 8 full + 2 PM, WLDEP 3 full + 2 TQ + 1 PM

  Sounds rather confusing here do I?

• SMB32T

  11 Mar 10, 17:09

  Originally posted by SBS8533C:

  HISTORY OF TIBS SERVICES (Depot-Controlled). List exclude any crossovers, NR services & Premium service
  
  171 - AMDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP 

  >> Back to full AMDEP in 1999, then AMDEP/WLDEP in 2008

  178 - KJDEP; WLDEP
  181 - KJDEP; WLDEP [service withdrawn]
  187 - KJDEP; WLDEP

  Service 181 was renumbered 961 in Dec 1998
  178, 181 and 187 were partial WLDEP/KJDEP in Oct 1998
  187 full WLDEP in Jul 1999, 178 full WLDEP in Aug 1999, 961 full WLDEP in Dec 1999

  343 - KJDEP [service withdrawn}

  >> Renumbered to 921 in Apr 2000 and became WLDEP, merged with 700/700A and withdrawn somewhere in 2006

  820 - AMDEP
  821 - AMDEP

  >> Handed back to SBST in Dec 1999

  852 - AMDEP/KJDEP; WLDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP/KJDEP; AMDEP; WLDEP

  >> Full KJDEP, then WLDEP/KJDEP (Oct 1998), AMDEP/KJDEP (Dec 1999), AMDEP (Jun 2000), AMDEP/KJDEP (Jan 2001), AMDEP (Jan 2004), WLDEP (Mar 2008)

  853 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  854 - AMDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP
  855 - AMDEP/KJDEP; WLDEP; AMDEP

  >> These 3 services were dual AMDEP/WLDEP then back to AMDEP

  856 - AMDEP; WLDEP

  >> AMDEP/KJDEP, then WLDEP

  961 - WLDEP; AMDEP/WLDEP

  >> as mentioned above (181)

  964 - KJDEP; AMDEP

  >> was never under AMDEP before, went straight to WLDEP

  Correct me if there is any mistakes!

  
  See my quote above in red