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  • carbikebus's Avatar
    9,051 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by SMB228X:

      SMRT is better!! SMRT better frequency and faster!! SBS always bus drive slow slow!!

      R u sure better freq than SBST?You made a fool out of yourself.Better freq SL die2 wanna run like mad for what?The management already like fool then SL also follow become a fool.SBST bc on the other hand is smart.Timing give them so tight they purposely give lambat till revised.I drive 67 peak hours like mad dog u didn't know ah..I drive svc 5 no pressure although the routes is more jam prone

  • TIB1218R's Avatar
    5,517 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SMB228X:

      SMRT is better!! SMRT better frequency and faster!! SBS always bus drive slow slow!!

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  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,298 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      R u sure better freq than SBST?You made a fool out of yourself.Better freq SL die2 wanna run like mad for what?The management already like fool then SL also follow become a fool.SBST bc on the other hand is smart.Timing give them so tight they purposely give lambat till revised.I drive 67 peak hours like mad dog u didn't know ah..I drive svc 5 no pressure although the routes is more jam prone


      Ignore that troll. He's already made a mockery out of himself and utterly disgraced the whole of the SG bus community.

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    4,704 posts since May '12
    • SMRT will have bendies still for another few years. It can fix problems one at a time. First bring in DDs for long haul routes and cash on them such as 106, 188, 190, 851, 854, 857. Then use bendies for routes right now that have height restriction. Use a mix of bendies and DDs for feeder / intra-towns to see how the mix of bendies and DDs are coping with the load.

      Slowly try a few routes with DDs only and see the loading pattern. Only after trials will SMRT be able to make the right decisions. Also it has SBST as an example that has done extremely well with DDs.

      Look at the losses of SMRT with such a small operation (one-third of SBST) but losses three times. Why? Bendy maintenance is definitely more expensive and not yielding as good results as SBST DDs. Face it, my friends.

    • Originally posted by SBS8501U:

      Other services which I dun think can cope is Svc 66, which is extremely packed during PM peak hours.

      All along Dunearn Road I believe the bus has been really really crowded. Two buses SBS8259U and SBS8343J came back to back today and both of them are fully packed.

      Just an example - Do note I mentioned nothing about Svc 66 receiving bendies

      66 is coping well with SDs because there is a bus every 06 mins. For services, where DDs cannot be deployed, SBST is using its SD resources. But having DDs in its fleets gives it an opportunity to make 65 full fleet DD with 08-10 min frequency.

      If all high loading buses come at 05-06 min frequency, no road space. The license to buy a car will go 10 times higher wink.png

  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,298 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      SMRT will have bendies still for another few years. It can fix problems one at a time. First bring in DDs for long haul routes and cash on them such as 106, 188, 190, 851, 854, 857. Then use bendies for routes right now that have height restriction. Use a mix of bendies and DDs for feeder / intra-towns to see how the mix of bendies and DDs are coping with the load.

      Slowly try a few routes with DDs only and see the loading pattern. Only after trials will SMRT be able to make the right decisions. Also it has SBST as an example that has done extremely well with DDs.

      Look at the losses of SMRT with such a small operation (one-third of SBST) but losses three times. Why? Bendy maintenance is definitely more expensive and not yielding as good results as SBST DDs. Face it, my friends.

      Not feasible to maintain 2 kinds of models in the long term, as mentioned by carbikebus. However your scenario is best describing what SMRTB should do in the next few years if they are really serious to improve their bus operations. Gradually bring in double deckers and pharse out the use of bendy buses and reduce their losses in the long term.

  • iveco's Avatar
    16,142 posts since Mar '04
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      66 is coping well with SDs because there is a bus every 06 mins. For services, where DDs cannot be deployed, SBST is using its SD resources. But having DDs in its fleets gives it an opportunity to make 65 full fleet DD with 08-10 min frequency.

      If all high loading buses come at 05-06 min frequency, no road space. The license to buy a car will go 10 times higher wink.png


      If bus routes are really that frequent there is no reason for us commoners to own a car anymore. In fact, maintaining a car can be rather expensive in the long run. A side note, Formula 1 website's profile of Singapore states that there is no need to hire a car when visiting the Lion City because buses and trains run at such frequent intervals.

  • service_238's Avatar
    9,139 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:

      66 is coping well with SDs because there is a bus every 06 mins. For services, where DDs cannot be deployed, SBST is using its SD resources. But having DDs in its fleets gives it an opportunity to make 65 full fleet DD with 08-10 min frequency.

      If all high loading buses come at 05-06 min frequency, no road space. The license to buy a car will go 10 times higher wink.png

      6min headway for 66? min scheduled is 8min.

  • vicamour's Avatar
    1,298 posts since Jan '09
    • Originally posted by iveco:


      If bus routes are really that frequent there is no reason for us commoners to own a car anymore. In fact, maintaining a car can be rather expensive in the long run. A side note, Formula 1 website's profile of Singapore states that there is no need to hire a car when visiting the Lion City because buses and trains run at such frequent intervals.

      Not really true.
      It still depends on each individual. Not everyone likes/wants/depends on public transport everyday.

  • sbst275's Avatar
    113,434 posts since Jun '04
  • SBS 6078 M's Avatar
    4,285 posts since Jan '12
    • Originally posted by sbst275:

      SMRT better freq… sure or not… Even NSEWL headways erratic these days…

      SMRT freq sucks.

      Was waiting at 1 stop before bugis Int for either 851(preferred) or 980

      SMRTConnect said 851 timings are:

      • 4mins(WAB)
      • 16mins(WAB)
      980 is:
      • 6 mins(WAB)
      • 18 mins(WAB)
      In the end after 4 mins they said
      • 851:
      • 12 mins(WAB)
      • 24 mins(WAB)
      • 980:
      • Arr(WAB)
      • 8 mins(WAB)
      This call better frequency?
  • sbst275's Avatar
    113,434 posts since Jun '04
    • ya ya ya..

      SMB228X also pwned himself… keep on saying Citaro…

      say 179.. 28 ADD… Need 48 Citaro to ferry the same capacity… where to get enough BC???

      Dun tell me Citaro G.. Bt Panjang Temp Int is planned by LTA as though BPJ is using 12m buses… LTA’s planning dun have thing for Citaro G…

    • SMRT bus.. mmm..

      see 178… sometimes very freq 10 – 12 mins… sometimes no bus one…

      obvious reason why… speed regulation en-route

  • SBS 6078 M's Avatar
    4,285 posts since Jan '12
    • Originally posted by sbst275:

      ya ya ya..

      SMB228X also pwned himself… keep on saying Citaro…

      say 179.. 28 ADD… Need 48 Citaro to ferry the same capacity… where to get enough BC???

      Dun tell me Citaro G.. Bt Panjang Temp Int is planned by LTA as though BPJ is using 12m buses… LTA’s planning dun have thing for Citaro G…

      Plus Euro VI need to pay 15 bucks more of USD.

      228X might think very cheap.

      But he want so many quantity call cheap?

      Plus Itr I 'played' SMRTConnect on 980, which I boarded, and found out that bus only arrived 22mins ltr, and not to mention, it is a citaro.

  • TIB1218R's Avatar
    5,517 posts since May '12
    • Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:

      SMRT freq sucks.

      Was waiting at 1 stop before bugis Int for either 851(preferred) or 980

      SMRTConnect said 851 timings are:

      • 4mins(WAB)
      • 16mins(WAB)
      980 is:
      • 6 mins(WAB)
      • 18 mins(WAB)
      In the end after 4 mins they said
      • 851:
      • 12 mins(WAB)
      • 24 mins(WAB)
      • 980:
      • Arr(WAB)
      • 8 mins(WAB)
      This call better frequency?

      Same goes for Iris which shows 17mins for sv88 icon_lol.gif

  • SMB128B's Avatar
    3,638 posts since May '11
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      R u sure better freq than SBST?You made a fool out of yourself.Better freq SL die2 wanna run like mad for what?The management already like fool then SL also follow become a fool.SBST bc on the other hand is smart.Timing give them so tight they purposely give lambat till revised.I drive 67 peak hours like mad dog u didn't know ah..I drive svc 5 no pressure although the routes is more jam prone

      SMRT seems to have a better headway, but it gets so inconsistent i usually get fed up with that trash company, both MRT and bus wise. 

      Bring back MRTC and TIBS please!!! For everyone's good!!!

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    9,051 posts since Nov '03
    • Wrong bro,SBST is the one having good headways.Simple reason they conduct timing survey once every 4 weeks unlike SMRT.Their style of bus deployment also sucks big time.853 9 starters 7 split which most split shift ended before 9.30am.Then what about elderly or those working after 10?Wait long2 20 mins per bus?Only good thing SMRT seldom reduce fleet unlike SBST.Instead if they think there're too many starters they just convert it into split duties..

  • sbst275's Avatar
    113,434 posts since Jun '04
    • The problem with iris is that no matter what, the scheduled timetable is loaded into the system as a reference to track the buses in some sense…

      The thing is, not to forget between AM off peak & PM peak transition, the actual headways en-route can be very diff.. which explains why 20 mins headways for S66 at Bt Batok towards Jurong East in the evening peak belt.

  • SBS8501U's Avatar
    1,655 posts since Jul '12
    • Originally posted by TIB1218R:

      Originally posted by SBS 6078 M: SMRT freq sucks. Was waiting at 1 stop before bugis Int for either 851(preferred) or 980 SMRTConnect said 851 timings are: 4mins(WAB) 16mins(WAB) 980 is: 6 mins(WAB) 18 mins(WAB)...

      Purely my experience, whether SMRT frequency sucks u decide

      At Lor 1 Geylang Terminal I missed a 980 CAC, have to wait for 15 mins then SMB132M and SMB306Z came back to terminal.

      Another 10 minutes passed before SMB132M drove off as off service and SMB306Z came to fetch me.

      Total waiting time: 25 minutes

  • BusAnalayzer's Avatar
    4,704 posts since May '12
    • SBST has better frequencies than SMRT, but the best frequency is with 190. In the morning peak, you can see buses every 03-04 mins.

       

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    9,051 posts since Nov '03
  • SBS 6078 M's Avatar
    4,285 posts since Jan '12
    • Originally posted by carbikebus:

      Currently best freq for Smrt:187/190/854/969

      854 I waited for 13 mins at YCK road and it is a packed rigid summore.

  • SBS2601D's Avatar
    8,359 posts since Apr '05
    • 27 I waited for 7 mins at Tamp Ctrl and its a packed rigid of course.

      I was very angry because people at sgf told me that this service has 2.5 min frequency and headway 0.5 min.

  • carbikebus's Avatar
    9,051 posts since Nov '03
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