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  • Gordonator's Avatar
    43,270 posts since Jul '04
  • kwlee's Avatar
    1,740 posts since Aug '04
    • www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen

      Extracted from here:
      NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.

      The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT.

      Edited by eac 28 Feb `09, 1:58AM
  • Gordonator's Avatar
    43,270 posts since Jul '04
    • Physical Employment Status (PES)

      Arrow PES A (L1) = Fit for all operational vocations. (Full BMT)

      Arrow PES B (L1) = Fit for most operational vocations. (Full BMT)

      Arrow PES Bp = Fit for all 5 months full BMT (applicable to obese recruits)

      Arrow PES C = Fit for some operational vocations. (Modified BMT)

      Further subdivided into:

      PES C1 (B2) - Required to take IPPT, but can be excused up to 2 static stations.

      PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT for NSF, except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).

      PES C9 - All servicemen not required to take IPPT.

      PES C grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:

      L1 - Fit for field duties including front-line duties.
      L2 - Fit for field duties but only in Unit HQ or rear areas.
      L3 - Fit for operational duties at Bases only.

      Arrow PES D = Temporary unfit for grading and pending further review.

      Arrow PES E = Fit for administrative duties only.

      Further subdivided into:

      PES E1 - Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activites.

      PES E9 - Unfit for field duties/exercises.

      PES E grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:

      L3 - Fit for operational duties at Bases only. Not fit for field duties/ exercises.
      L9 - Suitable for peacetime sedentary duties at Bases. Not fit for operational duties even in Bases.

      Arrow PES F = Medically unfit for any form of service.

      Edited by eac 03 Mar `10, 6:42PM
  • octega's Avatar
    1,329 posts since Jun '02
    • Upgrading Or Downgrading Of PES
      (From Admin Point Of View)


      Downgrade To PES C/D/E (Perm or Temp)
      Downgrade to a certain PES status will mean that you due to your medical condition you are no longer fit to be in your current vocation.
      This means that you will be re-vocate to a vocation that suits this PES status.
      1.) Re-vocation is done by the SAF and not choosen by the soldier.
      2.) Re-vocation depends on PES grading.
      3.) Re-vocation will also mean you can be re-depolyed to another formation, unit or camp altogether.

      Upgrade From PES C/D/E
      For: Enlisted as PES E or Temp PES E Status
      PES E Upgrade to PES A, B or C will mean a re-vocation. You will be required to take your BMT in accordance to your PES status (in Tekong). And subsequent Re-vocate to your new vocation.

      PES A/B/C Downgrade/Upgrade BMT Recourse
      This section is applicable to those who downgraded or upgraded to any of the PES A/B/C
      1.) If the person completed and PASSED his BMT course then dun need to recourse liao. This applicable to those who downgrade/upgrade after BMT.

      2.) If the person completed but FAILED his BMT then recourse is a must. This is regardless if he is downgraded or upgraded. As long as u neber pass ur BMT u have to redo again. Of course in accordance to ur PES status.

      3.) If the person OOC during BMT and downgrade. Then yes, u must go for recourse. Yes, even those OOC just before the POP. No choice.
      This is because, u neber complete and pass ur BMT.

      4) PES C Need to do Reservist?

      Yes.

      5) PES E Need to do Reservist?

      Maybe, if need.
      Put on Reserve Holding List (RHL) =/= Mindef Reserve (MR) / Stand down

      Will try to add in more, others can help, cause me also abit rusty liao. Mr. Green 

      Edited by eac 28 Feb `09, 2:06AM
  • KaShinX's Avatar
    2 posts since Sep '02
    • Hi I am new to these forums and I would like to ask (I am a PES C1/L2) and I am not enlisted yet (apr 22nd) what is my brief training schedule for my BMT? I've heard some of my friends mentioning that I need not do SOC and I have shorter distances for road marching.

      And what units/headquarters will I be posted to when I POP? Thanks

  • *Lord Kang*'s Avatar
    1,458 posts since Jun '04
    • My PES status is C1L2…Just to check whether my range is run down or walk down..And will i get money for marksman and IPPT??

  • larrenV2.003's Avatar
    7,097 posts since Aug '03
    • For me i PES E1 L3 do i need to do reservist & get myself stated as ROD personnel? Rolling Eyes

      Edited by larrenV2.003 20 Mar `05, 12:51AM
  • Gordonator's Avatar
    43,270 posts since Jul '04
    • Originally posted by *Lord Kang*:
      My PES status is C1L2...Just to check whether my range is run down or walk down..And will i get money for marksman and IPPT??

      walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

  • *Lord Kang*'s Avatar
    1,458 posts since Jun '04
    • Originally posted by Gordonator:
      walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

      Right...Thanks man...

  • mdfjami's Avatar
    198 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by larrenV2.003:
      For me i PES E1 L3 do i need to do reservist & get myself stated as ROD personnel? Rolling Eyes

      No.. you won't have to do reservist.

      They will punch a hole in your 11B when you leave.. normal ORD ppl won't have that "privilage" Mr. Green

  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    35,169 posts since Apr '03
    • Originally posted by Gordonator:
      walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

      I thought C1L2 is run down?I think you can get your MO to see if you are certified fit for a rundown if you want the chance to earn the money and wear the badge.

  • larrenV2.003's Avatar
    7,097 posts since Aug '03
    • Originally posted by mdfjami:
      No.. you won't have to do reservist.

      They will punch a hole in your 11B when you leave.. normal ORD ppl won't have that "privilage" Mr. Green

      Got it thanks! Mr. Green

  • devilgoth's Avatar
    14 posts since Sep '04
    • im just upgraded to C1L3 from E9L9... im juz wondering do i go for the full pes C bmt or is it just a pes C recourse? and also, MO say will either be clerk or storeman. den what will i be doing during reservist with C1L3 status? thanks ar... Very Happy

  • octega's Avatar
    1,329 posts since Jun '02
    • Originally posted by devilgoth:
      im just upgraded to C1L3 from E9L9... im juz wondering do i go for the full pes C bmt or is it just a pes C recourse? and also, MO say will either be clerk or storeman. den what will i be doing during reservist with C1L3 status? thanks ar... Very Happy

      You will be assign to the BMT course which is avaliable at the next best date. Be it recourse or the enlistment course. No need to worry, it is PES C, it is already cater to your PES status.

      During reservist, same as what you do during your NSF days. Wink

  • sgFish's Avatar
    2,543 posts since Dec '03
  • Gordonator's Avatar
    43,270 posts since Jul '04
    • Originally posted by sgFish:
      wads the diff between PES A and B? what vocations can A go for that B can't?

      i think for elite units like commando, they prefer PES A. Wink

  • t89z's Avatar
    30 posts since Jan '05
    • A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

  • tarutaru's Avatar
    3,209 posts since Dec '04
    • Originally posted by t89z:
      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      I don't think so.

  • Rockhound's Avatar
    2,911 posts since Mar '05
    • Originally posted by t89z:
      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      ----pending confirmation-----

      dont tell me u that same guy in armydaze.com who ask abt the same question one..

      Edited by Rockhound 04 Apr `05, 10:40PM
  • tarutaru's Avatar
    3,209 posts since Dec '04
    • btw you guys out there know that if u are downgraded, your downgrade is subjected to approval by the CO of MCC, if you are a regular or NSF getting a F status. But for normal NSMen and NSF, u are only subjected to the approval from the 2 I/C of MCC.

  • chengl's Avatar
    67 posts since Apr '05
    • Hi, i just had an hernia operation, my mo told me i will be temp downgraded, would it be possible for me to upgrade back? or might as well dont bother… and i had 27 days of MC given by sgh, but the camp MO reduced it to 14 days..it is fair ?

  • Gordonator's Avatar
    43,270 posts since Jul '04
    • Originally posted by t89z:
      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

      how is that possible? a PES E and obese gets IPPT Gold!? Shocked

      maybe the PES E is possible, depending on his medical problem. but obese!? no offence but... Laughing

    • Originally posted by chengl:
      Hi, i just had an hernia operation, my mo told me i will be temp downgraded, would it be possible for me to upgrade back? or might as well dont bother... and i had 27 days of MC given by sgh, but the camp MO reduced it to 14 days..it is fair ?

      are u in BMT right now? maybe the MO has good intention in mind. cos if u take more then 14 days of MCs, u will be OOC.

  • [w][e][i]'s Avatar
    57 posts since Feb '05
  • mAzdaFAN's Avatar
    10 posts since Feb '05
    • am given pes C1L2.. thot the description abt the status wasn complete earlier.. sorry.. but it states tt i can b posted to unit HQ but no direct combat.. wat does it mean? meaning wat will i b? eh.. lets sae if get upgraded aft 6mths.. mus i go thru bmt again? thanks..

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