due to the frequency of PES related threads appearing every now and then asking more or less the same questions over and over again like where will i be posted to and what will i be doing if i'm of a certain PES etc etc. this thread to dedicated to all those questions. hope u all find it useful.

Questions regarding how to downgrade, where to find good doctors for downgrade, chao keng and malingering will be modified.

Originally posted by Gordonator:
due to the frequency of PES related threads appearing every now and then asking more or less the same questions over and over again like where will i be posted to and what will i be doing if i'm of a certain PES etc etc. this thread to dedicated to all those questions. hope u all find it useful.

[b] Questions regarding how to downgrade, where to find good doctors for downgrade, chao keng and malingering will be modified. [/b]

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Physical Employment Status (PES)

PES A = Fit for all operational vocations. (Full BMT)

PES B = Fit for most operational vocations. (Full BMT)

PES BP = Fit for all 5 months full BMT (applicable to obese recruits)

PES C = Fit for some operational vocations. (Modified BMT)

Further subdivided into:

PES C1 - Required to take IPPT but can be excused up to 2 static station.

PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).

PES C9 - All sercemen not required to take IPPT.

PES C grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:

L1 - Fit for field duties including front-line duties.

L2 - Fit for field duties but only in Unit HQ or rear areas.

L3 - Fir for operational duties at Bases only.

PES D = Tempory unfit for grading and pending further review.

PES E = Fir for administrative duties only.

Further subdivided into:

PES E1 - Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activites.

PES E9 - Unfir for field duties/exercises

PES E grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:

L3 - Fit for operational duties at Bases only. Not fit for field duties/ exercises.

L9 - Suitable for peacetime sedentary duties at Bases. Not fit for operational duties even in Bases.

PES F = Medically unfit for any form of service.

Upgrading Or Downgrading Of PES
(From Admin Point Of View)
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[b]Downgrade To PES C/D/E (Perm or Temp)


Downgrade to a certain PES status will mean that you due to your medical condition you are no longer fit to be in your current vocation.
This means that you will be re-vocate to a vocation that suits this PES status.
1.) Re-vocation is done by the SAF and not choosen by the soldier.
2.) Re-vocation depends on PES grading.
3.) Re-vocation will also mean you can be re-depolyed to another formation, unit or camp altogether.

Upgrade From PES C/D/E
For: Enlisted as PES E or Temp PES E Status
PES E Upgrade to PES A, B or C will mean a re-vocation. You will be required to take your BMT in accordance to your PES status (in Tekong). And subsequent Re-vocate to your new vocation.

PES A/B/C Downgrade/Upgrade BMT Recourse

This section is applicable to those who downgraded or upgraded to any of the PES A/B/C
1.) If the person completed and PASSED his BMT course then dun need to recourse liao. This applicable to those who downgrade/upgrade after BMT.

2.) If the person completed but FAILED his BMT then recourse is a must. This is regardless if he is downgraded or upgraded. As long as u neber pass ur BMT u have to redo again. Of course in accordance to ur PES status.

3.) If the person OOC during BMT and downgrade. Then yes, u must go for recourse. Yes, even those OOC just before the POP. No choice.
This is because, u neber complete and pass ur BMT.

PES C Need Reservist?

Yes.

Will try to add in more, others can help, cause me also abit rusty liao.
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Hi I am new to these forums and I would like to ask (I am a PES C1/L2) and I am not enlisted yet (apr 22nd) what is my brief training schedule for my BMT? I've heard some of my friends mentioning that I need not do SOC and I have shorter distances for road marching.

And what units/headquarters will I be posted to when I POP? Thanks

My PES status is C1L2…Just to check whether my range is run down or walk down..And will i get money for marksman and IPPT??

For me i PES E1 L3 do i need to do reservist & get myself stated as ROD personnel?

Originally posted by *Lord Kang*:

My PES status is C1L2...Just to check whether my range is run down or walk down..And will i get money for marksman and IPPT??

walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

Originally posted by Gordonator:

walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

Right...Thanks man...

Originally posted by larrenV2.003:

For me i PES E1 L3 do i need to do reservist & get myself stated as ROD personnel?

No.. you won't have to do reservist.

They will punch a hole in your 11B when you leave.. normal ORD ppl won't have that "privilage"

Originally posted by Gordonator:

walk down. even if u get marksman, u cannot wear the badge and get the money.

I thought C1L2 is run down?I think you can get your MO to see if you are certified fit for a rundown if you want the chance to earn the money and wear the badge.

Originally posted by mdfjami:

No.. you won't have to do reservist.

They will punch a hole in your 11B when you leave.. normal ORD ppl won't have that "privilage"

Got it thanks!

im just upgraded to C1L3 from E9L9... im juz wondering do i go for the full pes C bmt or is it just a pes C recourse? and also, MO say will either be clerk or storeman. den what will i be doing during reservist with C1L3 status? thanks ar...

Originally posted by devilgoth:

im just upgraded to C1L3 from E9L9... im juz wondering do i go for the full pes C bmt or is it just a pes C recourse? and also, MO say will either be clerk or storeman. den what will i be doing during reservist with C1L3 status? thanks ar...

You will be assign to the BMT course which is avaliable at the next best date. Be it recourse or the enlistment course. No need to worry, it is PES C, it is already cater to your PES status.

During reservist, same as what you do during your NSF days.

wads the diff between PES A and B? what vocations can A go for that B can’t?

Originally posted by sgFish:

wads the diff between PES A and B? what vocations can A go for that B can't?

i think for elite units like commando, they prefer PES A.

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

Originally posted by t89z:

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

I don't think so.

Originally posted by t89z:

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

----pending confirmation-----

dont tell me u that same guy in armydaze.com who ask abt the same question one..

btw you guys out there know that if u are downgraded, your downgrade is subjected to approval by the CO of MCC, if you are a regular or NSF getting a F status. But for normal NSMen and NSF, u are only subjected to the approval from the 2 I/C of MCC.

Hi, i just had an hernia operation, my mo told me i will be temp downgraded, would it be possible for me to upgrade back? or might as well dont bother… and i had 27 days of MC given by sgh, but the camp MO reduced it to 14 days..it is fair ?

Originally posted by t89z:

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded PES E. Does he get the 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

A NAPFA Gold pre-enlistee is graded obese. Does he do the obese BMT and get 2 months deduction from the 2 years of NS?

how is that possible? a PES E and obese gets IPPT Gold!?

maybe the PES E is possible, depending on his medical problem. but obese!? no offence but...

Originally posted by chengl:

Hi, i just had an hernia operation, my mo told me i will be temp downgraded, would it be possible for me to upgrade back? or might as well dont bother... and i had 27 days of MC given by sgh, but the camp MO reduced it to 14 days..it is fair ?

are u in BMT right now? maybe the MO has good intention in mind. cos if u take more then 14 days of MCs, u will be OOC.

anyone knows wat is 2D Echo screening??? wat is it for?

am given pes C1L2.. thot the description abt the status wasn complete earlier.. sorry.. but it states tt i can b posted to unit HQ but no direct combat.. wat does it mean? meaning wat will i b? eh.. lets sae if get upgraded aft 6mths.. mus i go thru bmt again? thanks..