CMPB Clerks
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my friend is a clerk from some camp, n he always goes there to submit or collect documents for his unit...n he told me CMPB clerks very good life.
coz it seems like they can work 8-5, no need stay in, no need do guard duty or ops room duty, no first/last parade, no observances parade, no PT, no need do sai kang, no need do area cleaning coz got cleaners, can report sick outside n get MC, etc...
den for those offices where there is mostly DXOs, life is slack, coz won't kenna tekan or arrow by high ranking officers or WOs... coz DXOs treat the NSF like colleague...den also got a lot of young chio boos...can look at them everyday, some even wear low cut blouses or short skirts, den can even get into relationship with them....
den u do wrong thing won;t kenna extra or whatever... den some offices got too many clerks so very little work to do...can slack. Den for lunch no need eat crappy cookhouse food, can eat at air con canteen, or go outside nearby eat...n lunch hour is long too.
any clerks from cmpb here? is it true? -
the ppl at CMPB attitude damm bad.
juz now i call the guy over the phone can say "Wah lau! blah blah blah blah.." nobody teach them not to ruin SAF image? -
Got a friend who transfer from CMPB to my unit. According to him, he buay tahan the office politics, DXO aunties plus the high amount of daily expeneses. According to him, he said his monthly allowance also cannot cover his day-to-day transport.
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not really. there is another better place
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there is politics everywhere we go. backstabbing, gossiping, betrayal, killing others to advance self etc... this great weakness in the human spirit desires to advance him/herself no matter the cost, no matter how much it advances him/her in their own perspective.Originally posted by octega:Got a friend who transfer from CMPB to my unit. According to him, he buay tahan the office politics, DXO aunties plus the high amount of daily expeneses. According to him, he said his monthly allowance also cannot cover his day-to-day transport.
therefore, adapt, advance and overcome.
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sure or not? Just buy a monthly concession stamp can cover the transport costs. If you are not stay in, the monthly concession stamp is more worthwhile unless one seldom goes out.Originally posted by octega:Got a friend who transfer from CMPB to my unit. According to him, he buay tahan the office politics, DXO aunties plus the high amount of daily expeneses. According to him, he said his monthly allowance also cannot cover his day-to-day transport. -
No lah... his money all spent on food in canteen liao...Originally posted by tanjun:sure or not? Just buy a monthly concession stamp can cover the transport costs. If you are not stay in, the monthly concession stamp is more worthwhile unless one seldom goes out.
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Eh...ok....actually that was in year 2001, I lost contact when me and him ORD liao.Originally posted by Ristar:there is politics everywhere we go. backstabbing, gossiping, betrayal, killing others to advance self etc... this great weakness in the human spirit desires to advance him/herself no matter the cost, no matter how much it advances him/her in their own perspective.
therefore, adapt, advance and overcome.
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I'll have them access my database and certified me as ORDEDOriginally posted by Stooky:my friend is a clerk from some camp, n he always goes there to submit or collect documents for his unit...n he told me CMPB clerks very good life.
coz it seems like they can work 8-5, no need stay in, no need do guard duty or ops room duty, no first/last parade, no observances parade, no PT, no need do sai kang, no need do area cleaning coz got cleaners, can report sick outside n get MC, etc...
den for those offices where there is mostly DXOs, life is slack, coz won't kenna tekan or arrow by high ranking officers or WOs... coz DXOs treat the NSF like colleague...den also got a lot of young chio boos...can look at them everyday, some even wear low cut blouses or short skirts, den can even get into relationship with them....
den u do wrong thing won;t kenna extra or whatever... den some offices got too many clerks so very little work to do...can slack. Den for lunch no need eat crappy cookhouse food, can eat at air con canteen, or go outside nearby eat...n lunch hour is long too.
any clerks from cmpb here? is it true? -
cmpd got all the backstabbing i still prefer my sqn, a BIG office of my own and many friends can come in talk crap all we like
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The best is go overseas posting. Shiok! Can tour the country and still have overseas allowances to spend.
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haiz i wasted the chanceOriginally posted by NUS_Superst@r:The best is go overseas posting. Shiok! Can tour the country and still have overseas allowances to spend. 
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i'll have to disagree on that. i had the best life for 4 weeks of my NS life. you see, i was supposed to be an SAF lifeguard. 2 weeks training and slack till ORD. not bad right? wrong. i got out of coursed on the first day due to swimming standards. so i was posted to the Army Fitness Centre store. there we sleep most of the time, report 0800 fall out 1700 but most of time is before 1630. breakfast from 0930 to 1030, lunch from 1200 to 1330, tea break from 1500 to 1600. PT is optional, stores are only basic sports equipment 10 dummy rifles and TWO jerry cans. which store has only TWO jerry cans? anyway i heard from the DXO CQ that when the centre is not conducting courses, whole day dont come also you wont be missed at all. if i not wrong SAFSA also moving there. and the gym there is THE BEST...i built more muscles there than i did in BMT!
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is it a stay in or out? the store got air con? wat u do in ur free time? u pes wat?Originally posted by amortifiedpenguin:i'll have to disagree on that. i had the best life for 4 weeks of my NS life. you see, i was supposed to be an SAF lifeguard. 2 weeks training and slack till ORD. not bad right? wrong. i got out of coursed on the first day due to swimming standards. so i was posted to the Army Fitness Centre store. there we sleep most of the time, report 0800 fall out 1700 but most of time is before 1630. breakfast from 0930 to 1030, lunch from 1200 to 1330, tea break from 1500 to 1600. PT is optional, stores are only basic sports equipment 10 dummy rifles and TWO jerry cans. which store has only TWO jerry cans? anyway i heard from the DXO CQ that when the centre is not conducting courses, whole day dont come also you wont be missed at all. if i not wrong SAFSA also moving there. and the gym there is THE BEST...i built more muscles there than i did in BMT! -
Let me tell you something... there is one vocation that is definitely better than being CMPB clerks. I have searched everywhere in SAF and I have confirmed that there is no better vocation.
The Vocation : Close Combat Instructor
Benefits :
1. Slack 5 weeks training after BMT ( cos 8 - 5 although must stay in )
2. After that can go outside unit and tekan them as private. Tekan entire company including Sg Major + OC + 2IC of the company. Yes... Private knock Captain Down.
3. Officially 8 - 5... bookout everyday. But actual working hours is 4hrs per day. Cos usually there is only 1 lesson in the morning ( 2hrs ) and 1 lesson in the afternoon ( 2hrs ). Somehow the Team ICs will make sure of that.
4. Sometimes.. there are certain undertable dealings that can see the senior CCIs "work from home" and only be present in camp once a week.
5. When they become team ICs, unit S3s need their help to ensure as many ppl pass as possible. So they can have coffee with the S3s while discussing how to make the men's life more miserable.
6. Whatever a CCI do wrong in a camp. eg. T-shirt tuck out, never turn up for training, there's hardly anything anybody can do to them. Cos they are not from that unit, and few people know which unit these CCIs come from. Even if some senior officers do, their complaint emails will be deleted by a fellow CCI who helps the Chief CCI read them, because the Chief CCI doesn't understand the chim English that the senior officers usually like to use.
Anybody knows of a better vocation than that?
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I was a CCI too and although some of the points you stated are true, but you also seem to be deliberately painting a picture about how lawless and tua kee CCIs are just to show that they are the slackest vocation around.
1. True to that.
2. I have knocked a helluvalot of recruits and men down and of course officer cadets too for disciplinary maintenance but I certainly never knocked down or screwed 2ICs, OCs/Captains before as you stated. This is certainly exaggerated.
3. Even when nearing ORD, I NEVER "worked from home".
4. We are definitely somewhat less regimental compared to most vocations but there are still regiments to follow. Rank aside, precisely because we are instructors, when we are walking around say Jurong Camp to teach the recruits, we won't purposely tuck out our shirt to test if the RSM of Jurong camp have or do not have the ability to punish us. And you can be sure people WILL be able to get us into trouble if they desire to. If it reaches the chief (by mail or mouth), there is definitely no way out of getting it.
Another negative aspect of this job is that expenses are really very high.
Back to threadstarter's post. Being a RSAF clerk in mindef is probably somewhat similiar to a CMPB clerk. IE. the working hours, the chio DXOs, the office backstabbing and politics, no first parade last parade ETC. -
Just to ask, are the workload of CMPB clerks usually very high?
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Depends on department...Originally posted by tanjun:Just to ask, are the workload of CMPB clerks usually very high? -
i dont think so the only perks are if you are lucky ur dept has a young chio bu
but other than than i see alot of wayang -
PES B, but other guys PES A also got. Store air con cold like fridge. stay out. mon to fri work week.Originally posted by Stooky:is it a stay in or out? the store got air con? wat u do in ur free time? u pes wat?
life guard also bloody good vocation also. UCI training stay in, lifeguard training 8 to 5 for 2 weeks. stay out totally. -
>>Let me tell you something... there is one vocation that is definitely better than being CMPB clerks. I have searched everywhere in SAF and I have confirmed that there is no better vocation. <<
Eh, you talking cock lah.
Do you know that during my course 1 guy cannot take it purposely crash his motorbike so that he will get downgraded out of course and got people commit suicide during course?
Me & my buddy posted to Seletar camp, the senior instructor is a bloody bastard, every day go home knuckle sure bleed, (I'm OJT that time), until got pus, still must knock it down, the longest time I knock it down in knuckle position was 45 mins.
Both of us one day go NDU kena so bad tekan we go toilet and cry secretly.
Yah, good vocation man. You should try it.
>>1. Slack 5 weeks training after BMT ( cos 8 - 5 although must stay in )<<
Slack? You wish ah friend. Mon, Wed, Fri 8km run. Unarmed combat training 5-6 hours a day, kena slammed on the mat again and again and again until you want to vomit, kick up and down the auditorium until your hip cannot move. Then have the full contact sparring, 5 3-min rounds.
Saturday senior instructors come back to camp is our nightmare day. We as OJT must come before any of the instructors come or else we will DIE! When instructors come we are made to buy breakfast for them at canteen, then they happy happy knuckle push up you for silly reasons.
Before Sat training start already half dead with all the tekanning.
Then kena siong siong PT training plus TKD training. Then full contact sparring with instructors, some of them are national team fighters, KNN they will try their best to "chiak bak" and hurt you, and you better don't hurt them back or you go their unit you will die until ugly.
>>2. After that can go outside unit and tekan them as private. Tekan entire company including Sg Major + OC + 2IC of the company. Yes... Private knock Captain Down.<<
Tekan? No advantage to this my friend. I was stupid once, I went to tekan the OC for using palm when I say knuckle pushup. Later when my senior instructor found out I kena tekan hell from him. We must respect them, we need their help one, cannot anyhow tekan them.
>>3. Officially 8 - 5... bookout everyday. But actual working hours is 4hrs per day. Cos usually there is only 1 lesson in the morning ( 2hrs ) and 1 lesson in the afternoon ( 2hrs ). Somehow the Team ICs will make sure of that<<.
Yes, this is true sometimes. But other times got 4 lessons a day. You know how siong conducting a lesson is? Shout until your voice hoarse, and must plan lesson also, you think just go and anyhow teach meh?
>>4. Sometimes.. there are certain undertable dealings that can see the senior CCIs "work from home" and only be present in camp once a week.<<
This is true, but only if the CCI ar kah liao with the chief PTI in the camp and they cover for him.
>>5. When they become team ICs, unit S3s need their help to ensure as many ppl pass as possible. So they can have coffee with the S3s while discussing how to make the men's life more miserable.<<
They don't discuss how to make men's life miserable. They discuss what they can do to make the examiner go easy on the men, or how to help the weaker men improve. Nobody is so psycho to purposely discuss how to torture men lah, at least not me and my S3.
>>6. Whatever a CCI do wrong in a camp. eg. T-shirt tuck out, never turn up for training, there's hardly anything anybody can do to them. Cos they are not from that unit, and few people know which unit these CCIs come from. Even if some senior officers do, their complaint emails will be deleted by a fellow CCI who helps the Chief CCI read them, because the Chief CCI doesn't understand the chim English that the senior officers usually like to use. <<
Trust me, if a high ranking officer wants to get you, he will get you. Never heard of phone call ah? The key is to be humble and respect people, and help them out, and they will take care of you lah. Same principle in life.
>>Anybody knows of a better vocation than that?<<
I still haven't tell you what kind of hell they give us during OJT time, the worse is when you pass out and get posted to unit.
Instructor ask you to conduct warm up. You cock up, the instructor will shout at you to "come here" to him, he's standing in the auditorium. You must come down from the stage and run to him like dog. He will knock you down in front of all the men. Then ask you to go back up and conduct warmup. He can do this several times just for 1 warmup. Fun? Got pride?
And after that you still have to teach the men, they're laughing at you and you know it. Fun? Good vocation?
Lesson over, is hell begin. OJT, take out your lesson plan. Here's the fun part. We must write 4 lesson plan each day. Everyday write new ones.
Lesson plan must all be in capital letters. No liquid paper, no eraser, you cannot even write the same line twice. If you make a mistake at the end of the page, you tear it up and rewrite.
Instructor will find all sort of excuse to pump you for lesson plan. Some OJT try to take out stapler and just rewrite cover page, you get caught you will die.
Every night we stay up to 2 - 3am to write lesson plan. Yes, 3am. We wake up at 5+. Every night is like this. Fun or not?
Sat you're not supposed to be seen outside at shopping centre. If instructor see you, Sat training you will die.
That's not all. I was made to sit MRT and say "Ting Tong - Ang mo kio" from Yishun all the way to City hall. Everyone think you're mad. If you don't say loud enough, tomorrow you go camp will get it.
My friend kena put on his TKD gi and do pattern on table outside far east macdonalds.
And we must always approach girls to get phone number for them, and I even kena knock it down in ang mo kio hawker centre once.
Good vocation or not leh? It was one of the worst years of my life. -
Aiya the best is the past year when lee hsien long taking NS,the whole camp machiam holiday!
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The tekan sessions in camp i can understand, but the part about the train, macdonald's and hawker centres, i can only say you're a ba kar ("meat leg") born to let people eat.Originally posted by NoRiceBoys:>>Let me tell you something... there is one vocation that is definitely better than being CMPB clerks. I have searched everywhere in SAF and I have confirmed that there is no better vocation. <<
Eh, you talking cock lah.
Do you know that during my course 1 guy cannot take it purposely crash his motorbike so that he will get downgraded out of course and got people commit suicide during course?
Me & my buddy posted to Seletar camp, the senior instructor is a bloody bastard, every day go home knuckle sure bleed, (I'm OJT that time), until got pus, still must knock it down, the longest time I knock it down in knuckle position was 45 mins.
Both of us one day go NDU kena so bad tekan we go toilet and cry secretly.
Yah, good vocation man. You should try it.
>>1. Slack 5 weeks training after BMT ( cos 8 - 5 although must stay in )<<
Slack? You wish ah friend. Mon, Wed, Fri 8km run. Unarmed combat training 5-6 hours a day, kena slammed on the mat again and again and again until you want to vomit, kick up and down the auditorium until your hip cannot move. Then have the full contact sparring, 5 3-min rounds.
Saturday senior instructors come back to camp is our nightmare day. We as OJT must come before any of the instructors come or else we will DIE! When instructors come we are made to buy breakfast for them at canteen, then they happy happy knuckle push up you for silly reasons.
Before Sat training start already half dead with all the tekanning.
Then kena siong siong PT training plus TKD training. Then full contact sparring with instructors, some of them are national team fighters, KNN they will try their best to "chiak bak" and hurt you, and you better don't hurt them back or you go their unit you will die until ugly.
>>2. After that can go outside unit and tekan them as private. Tekan entire company including Sg Major + OC + 2IC of the company. Yes... Private knock Captain Down.<<
Tekan? No advantage to this my friend. I was stupid once, I went to tekan the OC for using palm when I say knuckle pushup. Later when my senior instructor found out I kena tekan hell from him. We must respect them, we need their help one, cannot anyhow tekan them.
>>3. Officially 8 - 5... bookout everyday. But actual working hours is 4hrs per day. Cos usually there is only 1 lesson in the morning ( 2hrs ) and 1 lesson in the afternoon ( 2hrs ). Somehow the Team ICs will make sure of that<<.
Yes, this is true sometimes. But other times got 4 lessons a day. You know how siong conducting a lesson is? Shout until your voice hoarse, and must plan lesson also, you think just go and anyhow teach meh?
>>4. Sometimes.. there are certain undertable dealings that can see the senior CCIs "work from home" and only be present in camp once a week.<<
This is true, but only if the CCI ar kah liao with the chief PTI in the camp and they cover for him.
>>5. When they become team ICs, unit S3s need their help to ensure as many ppl pass as possible. So they can have coffee with the S3s while discussing how to make the men's life more miserable.<<
They don't discuss how to make men's life miserable. They discuss what they can do to make the examiner go easy on the men, or how to help the weaker men improve. Nobody is so psycho to purposely discuss how to torture men lah, at least not me and my S3.
>>6. Whatever a CCI do wrong in a camp. eg. T-shirt tuck out, never turn up for training, there's hardly anything anybody can do to them. Cos they are not from that unit, and few people know which unit these CCIs come from. Even if some senior officers do, their complaint emails will be deleted by a fellow CCI who helps the Chief CCI read them, because the Chief CCI doesn't understand the chim English that the senior officers usually like to use. <<
Trust me, if a high ranking officer wants to get you, he will get you. Never heard of phone call ah? The key is to be humble and respect people, and help them out, and they will take care of you lah. Same principle in life.
>>Anybody knows of a better vocation than that?<<
I still haven't tell you what kind of hell they give us during OJT time, the worse is when you pass out and get posted to unit.
Instructor ask you to conduct warm up. You cock up, the instructor will shout at you to "come here" to him, he's standing in the auditorium. You must come down from the stage and run to him like dog. He will knock you down in front of all the men. Then ask you to go back up and conduct warmup. He can do this several times just for 1 warmup. Fun? Got pride?
And after that you still have to teach the men, they're laughing at you and you know it. Fun? Good vocation?
Lesson over, is hell begin. OJT, take out your lesson plan. Here's the fun part. We must write 4 lesson plan each day. Everyday write new ones.
Lesson plan must all be in capital letters. No liquid paper, no eraser, you cannot even write the same line twice. If you make a mistake at the end of the page, you tear it up and rewrite.
Instructor will find all sort of excuse to pump you for lesson plan. Some OJT try to take out stapler and just rewrite cover page, you get caught you will die.
Every night we stay up to 2 - 3am to write lesson plan. Yes, 3am. We wake up at 5+. Every night is like this. Fun or not?
Sat you're not supposed to be seen outside at shopping centre. If instructor see you, Sat training you will die.
That's not all. I was made to sit MRT and say "Ting Tong - Ang mo kio" from Yishun all the way to City hall. Everyone think you're mad. If you don't say loud enough, tomorrow you go camp will get it.
My friend kena put on his TKD gi and do pattern on table outside far east macdonalds.
And we must always approach girls to get phone number for them, and I even kena knock it down in ang mo kio hawker centre once.
Good vocation or not leh? It was one of the worst years of my life. -
yeah lor...if you allow yourself to be tekan-ed out of camp, you can only blame yourself..
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Speaking of clerks, what do their actual/official duties entail?
Most of my friends are currently serving their time now; one of them, a clerk, has been telling me that although officially he's only a private, he actually holds "warrant officer" in camp - something along those lines.
Apparently he has very high security clearance and can access certain restricted documents - and most recently he claimed he took part in the IMF/World bank convention as a security coordinate supervising police/army movements.
Now he says he might be going to ex. Wallaby - although I thought that everyone going has already been selected
If all this is true - I reckon being a clerk is a pretty tough job?