RSN Navy Sign On?
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I have just graduated with a dipolma from temasek poly...i m now deciding whether to sign on as a combat systems specialist in the navy...My results r not very good..GPA 2.2...Is it worth signing on or i would be better off getting a degree and get a normal job instead...how good would my prospects b if i decide to sign on...i really dun noe wat to do.........
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never ever sign...
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If can get a degree, by all means go for it.
Unless you really like navy orelse dont sign on. I'm a sea soldier for 2 years at Changi and I've seen lots of navy combat systems specialist sign on. I wont say its super tough as compared to army... but its interesting though... cos you get to go onboard ships.
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there's alot of sailing and long periods away from home. if you got a gf, can your gf take you going away for a long time?
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ask 16/f/lonely ....
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sign = sigh
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Originally posted by MeepokBoy:
If can get a degree, by all means go for it.
Unless you really like navy orelse dont sign on. I'm a sea soldier for 2 years at Changi and I've seen lots of navy combat systems specialist sign on. I wont say its super tough as compared to army... but its interesting though... cos you get to go onboard ships.
You gotta be kidding.
It's tough. Not the army way.
Edit: You got nothing to lose, then sign-on. But don't ever do it for the $$, for the thrill. You'll regret it.
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Originally posted by lenore:
there's alot of sailing and long periods away from home. if you got a gf, can your gf take you going away for a long time?
A lot of sailing and long period of time varies from different types of ship. -
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
You gotta be kidding.It's tough. Not the army way.
Edit: You got nothing to lose, then sign-on. But don't ever do it for the $$, for the thrill. You'll regret it.
How is it tough? Heh I’m just curious.
The only toughness I can think of is long periods away from SG but for army, there is that too with exercises overseas.
I heard that navy guys are in the shade all the time on the ship. The officers are relaxing in the air con all the time. No need to chiong sua nevermind. Don’t even need to use sunscreen if you are a char boh hahaha. There’s no physical hardship or rigours and no sea sickness too since the ship is so big.
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Originally posted by cookiecookie:
How is it tough? Heh I’m just curious.
The only toughness I can think of is long periods away from SG but for army, there is that too with exercises overseas.
I heard that navy guys are in the shade all the time on the ship. The officers are relaxing in the air con all the time. No need to chiong sua nevermind. Don’t even need to use sunscreen if you are a char boh hahaha. There’s no physical hardship or rigours and no sea sickness too since the ship is so big.
The navy produced minister like defence minister, Teo Chee Hean or Lui Tuck Yew.
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Originally posted by cookiecookie:
How is it tough? Heh I’m just curious.
The only toughness I can think of is long periods away from SG but for army, there is that too with exercises overseas.
I heard that navy guys are in the shade all the time on the ship. The officers are relaxing in the air con all the time. No need to chiong sua nevermind. Don’t even need to use sunscreen if you are a char boh hahaha. There’s no physical hardship or rigours and no sea sickness too since the ship is so big.
Dotz.I see a lot of misinfo.
Take my typical day today, everybody say I kena chao-dah like that. I spent the whole day under the freakin sun greasing lar.....derusting lar. You think your ship can last long in the seawater without mainteinance on the crew's part?
Even the weather also want to huan-dui, KNN I sweat under the sun suddenly rain, kao.
It depends on vocation. As a gunner, I am expected to man the .5MG machine gun rain or shine while sailing for as long as 6 hrs straight with bullet-proof vest helmet blah blah. And as a gunner, with my chief as a chief seaman as well, I am expected to support his seaman stuff also, and that's a lot of physical involved.
Other vocations involve a lot of brain-work and stress-management. Life is hardly fun.
Edit: Seasickness? Har! The MGB which was just decommissioned is only 45+m. Really bad weather have to go home. The MCVs, PVs are only slightly bigger. And even on frigates and LSTs still got people puke like mad in bad weather. I myself feel like puking when I do fire drills with the fireman suit and tank and mask and blah blah in rough seas.
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Originally posted by ken1234567:
I have just graduated with a dipolma from temasek poly...i m now deciding whether to sign on as a combat systems specialist in the navy...My results r not very good..GPA 2.2...Is it worth signing on or i would be better off getting a degree and get a normal job instead...how good would my prospects b if i decide to sign on...i really dun noe wat to do.........
diploma in? i hope it's engineering-related. lol -
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Dotz.I see a lot of misinfo.
Take my typical day today, everybody say I kena chao-dah like that. I spent the whole day under the freakin sun greasing lar.....derusting lar. You think your ship can last long in the seawater without mainteinance on the crew's part?
Even the weather also want to huan-dui, KNN I sweat under the sun suddenly rain, kao.
It depends on vocation. As a gunner, I am expected to man the .5MG machine gun rain or shine while sailing for as long as 6 hrs straight with bullet-proof vest helmet blah blah. And as a gunner, with my chief as a chief seaman as well, I am expected to support his seaman stuff also, and that's a lot of physical involved.
Other vocations involve a lot of brain-work and stress-management. Life is hardly fun.
Edit: Seasickness? Har! The MGB which was just decommissioned is only 45+m. Really bad weather have to go home. The MCVs, PVs are only slightly bigger. And even on frigates and LSTs still got people puke like mad in bad weather. I myself feel like puking when I do fire drills with the fireman suit and tank and mask and blah blah in rough seas.
what abt navy chef? today i see the navy website then saw this vocation , the starting pay quite good with such a low qualification. ($1365-$1965) starting pay , although they spent the most amount of time on sailing. and their qualification to entry is only N lvl pass 1 subject.
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Originally posted by Resentment:
what abt navy chef? today i see the navy website then saw this vocation , the starting pay quite good with such a low qualification. ($1365-$1965) starting pay , although they spent the most amount of time on sailing. and their qualification to entry is only N lvl pass 1 subject.
The rank promotion is extremely slow. But they get to go home early everyday at harbour, on average 1500. -
Originally posted by YI:
diploma in? i hope it's engineering-related. lol
You no need engineer-related knowledge.Unless you want to be a tech hand on the ship.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
You no need engineer-related knowledge.Unless you want to be a tech hand on the ship.
by signing on as a pure combatant, you will not be doing justice to your diploma. going combat-technician on the other hand guaranteed a better pay-cheque and a faster promotion. think about it. it's a pity though this is applicable to cetain field of engineering-related diploma only.
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Originally posted by will4:
The navy produced minister like defence minister, Teo Chee Hean or Lui Tuck Yew.
Yes i do know the ex navy SAFOS but I don't think their presence in the cabinet or civil service or their success indicates that navy is physically tougher than army, which was the claim made by 16/f/lonely and what I didn't believe. Teo and Lui became who they were because of their intelligence, it doesn't mean make the Navy physically tougher than Army. Moreover, I also can name PM Lee, George Yeo, Lim Hng Kiang and Peter Ho as ex SAFOS from Army who achieved just as much, if not more than Minister Teo or Lui.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Dotz.I see a lot of misinfo.
Take my typical day today, everybody say I kena chao-dah like that. I spent the whole day under the freakin sun greasing lar.....derusting lar. You think your ship can last long in the seawater without mainteinance on the crew's part?
Even the weather also want to huan-dui, KNN I sweat under the sun suddenly rain, kao.
It depends on vocation. As a gunner, I am expected to man the .5MG machine gun rain or shine while sailing for as long as 6 hrs straight with bullet-proof vest helmet blah blah. And as a gunner, with my chief as a chief seaman as well, I am expected to support his seaman stuff also, and that's a lot of physical involved.
Other vocations involve a lot of brain-work and stress-management. Life is hardly fun.
Edit: Seasickness? Har! The MGB which was just decommissioned is only 45+m. Really bad weather have to go home. The MCVs, PVs are only slightly bigger. And even on frigates and LSTs still got people puke like mad in bad weather. I myself feel like puking when I do fire drills with the fireman suit and tank and mask and blah blah in rough seas.
You say you sweat under the sun and then suddenly rain? You really think that's tougher than army?? Let me give you a clearer idea.
Army is also sweat under the sun suddenly rain + sweat under sun/rain while walking 40 KM in a super thick uniform that doesn't fend off the one million insects piercing through it AND carrying a 40kg+ full pack + a SAR 21 + leading 30 or 100 men (depending on whether you are PC or OC) and getting them to listen to you + managing the one million problems that crop up when you manage 30 or 100 men below the age of 20 who feel disgruntled and don't feel that they're serving the nation or there for good reason (loss of weapon, parts, men keng-ing ALL THE TIME).
That is even before the mission starts. you ever tried chiong sua-ing in an army combat unit in INF, commando or guards before?? I am very sure you have not that is why you're the only one who's naive enough to think navy is just as tough as army.
After the missions, when you are outfield for weeks, you lie down on the ground, you get all sorts of disgusting insects crawling into your uniform and biting your body all over, that's normal. You drink river water. you eat strange insects and processed food rations or your own processed food. Old soldiers even have bunsen burners in their field packs when they go outfield! You wear the same uniform to chiong sua in the jungle, walking for miles in the wood for up to 9-12 days (the longest ATEC I know) without access to what is now luxury - Bathing and Warm Meals.
no matter how siong navy or airforce are, they always have access to a decent bath everyday and warm meals. the life i describe above is part and parcel of army life.
Do navy and airforce have to do all this?!
In army, you set up your own "tent" in the jungle when it starts to pour as you sleep. You bathe naked out in the open along a row of naked men in rundown overseas camps in overseas exercises. That is army. And army is regimentation. Navy and airforce, I'm sorry are more like nursery compard to army combat if you talk abt career soldiers.
Please lah it's common knowledge. If army is not physically tougher than navy or airforce, why is it that we always hear everyone saying its MUCH LESS tough to sign on with navy and airforce whenever they talk to people who signed on or interested in signing on? You think there is no smoke without fire??!
And that's just the physical rigour bit. I haven't even talked about the regimentation bit. Army is the most regimented service among the 3 by a large margin. This much anyone who has ever had anything to do with the SAF can testify.
You don't tell me regimentation doesn't mean it's not tough ok?! Do you think such conscious incalcation of regimentation in a soldier is needed if basic human instinct is to be disciplined and obey authority without questions? Discipline and regimentation is the counter intution of basic human instinct that is why it is TOUGH. This is the meaning of regimentation. Renouncing your personal liberty and rights in order to bow down without question to a higher authority because you respect authority.
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Originally posted by cookiecookie:
You say you sweat under the sun and then suddenly rain? You really think that's tougher than army?? Let me give you a clearer idea.
Army is also sweat under the sun suddenly rain + sweat under sun/rain while walking 40 KM in a super thick uniform that doesn't fend off the one million insects piercing through it AND carrying a 40kg+ full pack + a SAR 21 + leading 30 or 100 men (depending on whether you are PC or OC) and getting them to listen to you + managing the one million problems that crop up when you manage 30 or 100 men below the age of 20 who feel disgruntled and don't feel that they're serving the nation or there for good reason (loss of weapon, parts, men keng-ing ALL THE TIME).
That is even before the mission starts. you ever tried chiong sua-ing in an army combat unit in INF, commando or guards before?? I am very sure you have not that is why you're the only one who's naive enough to think navy is just as tough as army.
After the missions, when you are outfield for weeks, you lie down on the ground, you get all sorts of disgusting insects crawling into your uniform and biting your body all over, that's normal. You drink river water. you eat strange insects and processed food rations or your own processed food. Old soldiers even have bunsen burners in their field packs when they go outfield! You wear the same uniform to chiong sua in the jungle, walking for miles in the wood for up to 9-12 days (the longest ATEC I know) without access to what is now luxury - Bathing and Warm Meals.
no matter how siong navy or airforce are, they always have access to a decent bath everyday and warm meals. the life i describe above is part and parcel of army life.
Do navy and airforce have to do all this?!
In army, you set up your own "tent" in the jungle when it starts to pour as you sleep. You bathe naked out in the open along a row of naked men in rundown overseas camps in overseas exercises. That is army. And army is regimentation. Navy and airforce, I'm sorry are more like nursery compard to army combat if you talk abt career soldiers.
Please lah it's common knowledge. If army is not physically tougher than navy or airforce, why is it that we always hear everyone saying its MUCH LESS tough to sign on with navy and airforce whenever they talk to people who signed on or interested in signing on? You think there is no smoke without fire??!
And that's just the physical rigour bit. I haven't even talked about the regimentation bit. Army is the most regimented service among the 3 by a large margin. This much anyone who has ever had anything to do with the SAF can testify.
You don't tell me regimentation doesn't mean it's not tough ok?! Do you think such conscious incalcation of regimentation in a soldier is needed if basic human instinct is to be disciplined and obey authority without questions? Discipline and regimentation is the counter intution of basic human instinct that is why it is TOUGH. This is the meaning of regimentation. Renouncing your personal liberty and rights in order to bow down without question to a higher authority because you respect authority.
Relax relax....I never said it was tougher.I merely said it's tough, but it's a different kind. You know how much we study? And emphasis is on quick-thinking and ability to relay information in a concise and coherent manner. Failure to do so even on a normal sailing can lead to an accident. There's no room for errors, much less in war. The NSFs who go to ship hardly find themselves lucky in many cases. The stress can drive them to tears and there was even a case of panic attack and kena sent to hospital in a fire drill. Donning your fireman suit and equipment with all the things you need to do to fight fire is definitely tougher than MOP 4, mentally. And we're talking about confined spaces and a rolling and pitching platform.
And misinfo again.....water is rationed on some platforms. What bathe?
And warm food? If enemies are attacking you you will eat at your station, even if it's packed for you?You really need to experience it yourself before you find out why the hell so many regulars who signed-on to the navy to siam the chiong-sua part later regret bitterly....
Regimentation-wise of course the navy has less of that......many of the sailors are regulars who are already petty officers. What regimentation is there when all reach that level? But mai lgong lah.....you all wash toilet, likewise we always kena tekan. Wear DCBA gear run around the ship. Thank god my ship does not practice this crazy thing.
Anyway you sound very very bitter.
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LOL. Now the two of you comparing whose "balls" bigger arh?
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Originally posted by cookiecookie:
Yes i do know the ex navy SAFOS but I don't think their presence in the cabinet or civil service or their success indicates that navy is physically tougher than army, which was the claim made by 16/f/lonely and what I didn't believe. Teo and Lui became who they were because of their intelligence, it doesn't mean make the Navy physically tougher than Army. Moreover, I also can name PM Lee, George Yeo, Lim Hng Kiang and Peter Ho as ex SAFOS from Army who achieved just as much, if not more than Minister Teo or Lui.
Mr Ho is from the navy n Lim Hng Kiang is from the air force. George Yeo is from air force before being posted to army. -
Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:
LOL. Now the two of you comparing whose "balls" bigger arh?
No need lar.....each service has its sucky points.
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dont have to compare lah, no one will understand what is SEA SICK! and if you are lucky, and that stupid ship gonna stay out at sick for 5 days!!!! then u will know!
its true that its not like army, that type of siong and this type of siong is totally different! just imagin, how many vocation got combat allowance? and why the SAF will choose to pay those combat (Navy) this allowance? most importantly, MONEY NOT EASY TO EARN! AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO PAY, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING 'WORTH' THE PAYING :)
perosonally, i cant take sea sick, i will sleep all the way! unless they request for us, if not, all of us will just hide delow deck and TOH TI TI :)
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Hi 16/f/lonely,
what u just mentioned.... ' ......likewise we always kena tekan. Wear DCBA gear run around the ship.'
do u know, i ever saw seaman using that as AIR TANK and DIVE at our naval base :)
we laugh til pengz! but, those monkey really go and try :)
cheers
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omg.. serious? then does the DCBA work? because i tried it before when my LST filled all its ballast tanks when we're doin Sea Ops in Bahrain...... my mask got flooded pretty bad.. but i still could breathe.. for a few brief moments though.. hahah