Citizenships & NS: Renounce & NS Issue Matter
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Guys I have a question. I have a friend who was born in Australia. Apparently his parents, both Singaporeans, both ran there because there was some disagreements between the 2 families about them getting married. So anyway, when he was around 3 he came to Singapore and apparently got S'pore citizenship. (He has a pink IC now.)
So what I'm asking is this. He is 17 now, and is going to MDIS after screwing his Os. After MDIS,(which is about a year), is he liable for NS or can he just ciao to Aussieland?(that's what he keeps telling me). OH and btw, he has had to defer for NS and stuff like that, judging by the letters he received. So.....? Thanks guys.
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im in MDIS too..
and i am 20.. born in taiwan
Singapore citizen
No need do NS
i hope that answer ur question
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Originally posted by youyayu:
im in MDIS too..
and i am 20.. born in taiwan
Singapore citizen
No need do NS
i hope that answer ur question
but are you and your parents singaporeans too to begin with?i think it makes a diff and will clarify TS's doubts.
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need to do. as long as you have pink ic
it does not matter if you study mdis or mis
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Originally posted by NG QIBO AARON AUBREY:
need to do. as long as you have pink ic
it does not matter if you study mdis or mis
so there's no such thing as renouncing your s'pore citizenship and just ciao before NS? Utter nonsense rite?
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Originally posted by Pentaxdude90:
Guys I have a question. I have a friend who was born in Australia. Apparently his parents, both Singaporeans, both ran there because there was some disagreements between the 2 families about them getting married. So anyway, when he was around 3 he came to Singapore and apparently got S'pore citizenship. (He has a pink IC now.)
So what I'm asking is this. He is 17 now, and is going to MDIS after screwing his Os. After MDIS,(which is about a year), is he liable for NS or can he just ciao to Aussieland?(that's what he keeps telling me). OH and btw, he has had to defer for NS and stuff like that, judging by the letters he received. So.....? Thanks guys.
quoted from:
http://singapore.usembassy.gov/military_service_in_singapore.htmlNS liable males who emigrated overseas before age 11 and have not enjoyed significant socio-economic benefits of citizenship, (e.g. applied for a Singapore Identity Card or studied in Singapore beyond the age of 11), will be allowed to renounce their Singapore citizenship if they do not wish to fulfil their NS obligations. They will be required to register for NS with Central Manpower Base and apply for deferment from full-time NS (NSF) until the age of 21, pending the renunciation of their Singapore citizenship. They can continue to make short social visits to Singapore and will not be required to serve NS if they renounced their citizenship at age 21.
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Apply Exit Permit Application Procedure
If you are between 13 and 16.5 years old (W.E.F. 15 Aug 2006):
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. If you are remaining overseas for 2 years or longer, your parents/guardians will also need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher.
If you are above 16.5 and have not enlisted for NS:
You need to apply for an exit permit if you intend to travel or remain overseas for 3 months or longer. Your parents/guardians will need to furnish a bond, in the form of a Banker's Guarantee of S$75,000 or 50% of the combined annual gross income of both parents for the preceding year, whichever is higher. -
i have a friend bothe malaysia now PR
their 3 kids all singaporean (pink IC)
wat they told me when their kids come to the age of 21 and doesnt wan to do NS
their pinks IC will be collected back and have to change back to PR.
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Renounce singapore citizenship, throw away your pink ic, no need to serve ns.
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Originally posted by Hwaimeng:
i have a friend bothe malaysia now PR
their 3 kids all singaporean (pink IC)
wat they told me when their kids come to the age of 21 and doesnt wan to do NS
their pinks IC will be collected back and have to change back to PR.
I am a Japanese citizen now and my son has dual citizenship but has to make a choice when he is 21.So, if based on what you are saying is true can my son just forget about the NS part and accept the Singapore PR status instead?.He is after all born and educated here in Japan.
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As Rednano pointed out, once you have been issued with the pink IC, you are liable for NS. You cannot choose to renounce your citizenship until you completed your NS obligation. I know that's a stupid policy but that's Singapore for you.
Short Ninja, I suppose your son has been living in Japan all his life. If this is the case, then yes, he can renounce Singapore citizenship. Not sure whether he can choose to retain PR or has to apply for PR.
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Is it so hard to do NS? Come on, i know its not gonna be easy, but serving it for 2 years will not kill you, or turn u into a psycho right?
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some ppl just think 2 years is alot of time.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
I am a Japanese citizen now and my son has dual citizenship but has to make a choice when he is 21.So, if based on what you are saying is true can my son just forget about the NS part and accept the Singapore PR status instead?.He is after all born and educated here in Japan.
On the PR thingy, If you are planning to bring the whole family back here to stay for a longer period then also avoid the SG PR. Get a student pass for your kid, etc. 2nd Generation PR needs to serve also. (If you take PR, ur kid auto become 2nd Gen PR)
It is not that I am recommending ppl to avoid NS, it is just that if a kid grows up elsewhere and not in sg. He wil have a hard time adjusting to the local culture or even the NS culture, let alone understanding the need to fight for sg. I mean even for locals can't even believe how a good military system can get so FUBAR in sg.
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Originally posted by octega:
On the PR thingy, If you are planning to bring the whole family back here to stay for a longer period then also avoid the SG PR. Get a student pass for your kid, etc. 2nd Generation PR needs to serve also. (If you take PR, ur kid auto become 2nd Gen PR)
It is not that I am recommending ppl to avoid NS, it is just that if a kid grows up elsewhere and not in sg. He wil have a hard time adjusting to the local culture or even the NS culture, let alone understanding the need to fight for sg. I mean even for locals can't even believe how a good military system can get so FUBAR in sg.
Thanks for the reply.As much as I want him to remember his Singapore roots,he is unable to serve in any military or he might lose his Japanese citizenship under Japanese law.Anyway,if he doesnt serve many others will.Long Live the SAF!!!
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Thanks for the reply.As much as I want him to remember his Singapore roots,he is unable to serve in any military or he might lose his Japanese citizenship under Japanese law.Anyway,if he doesnt serve many others will.Long Live the SAF!!!
there isnt many other right now
through out the years , our SAF army strength have less by 1/6 of the 1st population
we are facing shortage of man to be in the army. that Y they are encourage even gals to take part in NS.
my office china gal ( now PR) and malaysia manager (now PR also) all say the same thing. if their pink IC singapore son skip NS, their pink IC will be taken back and i think they have to re-apply for PR.
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i'm 22 this year, was born in the US. Currently serving NS. serve 8 months already, 16 more to go.
your friend should serve:
1) he can't come back if he leaves, he'll be arrested for desertation, if im correct you need to serve NS if you have been here since at least 11.
2) if he leaves, SAF will keep going to his NOK's house to look him up. (this is according to my relative who is a lawyer)
goodluck, i hope he makes the right choice
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Short Ninja, your son should be eligible for renounciation of citizenship without having to serve NS, as he has never enjoyed "benefits and privileges of citizenship", and has stayed for less than 10 years prior to enlistment age.
What normally happens would be that MINDEF will grant him a deferment until he is 21, then he can exercise his renounciation.
Better to check with the Embassy or MINDEF though. This is what I can recall offhand.
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Originally posted by Pentaxdude90:
Guys I have a question. I have a friend who was born in Australia. Apparently his parents, both Singaporeans, both ran there because there was some disagreements between the 2 families about them getting married. So anyway, when he was around 3 he came to Singapore and apparently got S'pore citizenship. (He has a pink IC now.)
So what I'm asking is this. He is 17 now, and is going to MDIS after screwing his Os. After MDIS,(which is about a year), is he liable for NS or can he just ciao to Aussieland?(that's what he keeps telling me). OH and btw, he has had to defer for NS and stuff like that, judging by the letters he received. So.....? Thanks guys.
If your friend has stayed in Singapore since he was 3, and is a NRIC holder, he has to serve before he can give up his citizenship.
He can leave for Australia, but he might be arrested upon return as a deserter.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Short Ninja, your son should be eligible for renounciation of citizenship without having to serve NS, as he has never enjoyed "benefits and privileges of citizenship", and has stayed for less than 10 years prior to enlistment age.
What normally happens would be that MINDEF will grant him a deferment until he is 21, then he can exercise his renounciation.
Better to check with the Embassy or MINDEF though. This is what I can recall offhand.
actually, i dont think he can renounce as yet.
taking myself as an example, i must either renounce or pledge myself by my 22th birthday (they give you a year's grant to make such a decision starting from your birthday)
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Originally posted by fwy87:
actually, i dont think he can renounce as yet.
taking myself as an example, i must either renounce or pledge myself by my 22th birthday (they give you a year's grant to make such a decision starting from your birthday)
I know, I was saying he is eligible for this renounciation option. Sorry if I wasn't clear initially. :)
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its cool :)
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dude why do u want to renounce when u have already served????!!
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Originally posted by Pentaxdude90:
Guys I have a question. I have a friend who was born in Australia. Apparently his parents, both Singaporeans, both ran there because there was some disagreements between the 2 families about them getting married. So anyway, when he was around 3 he came to Singapore and apparently got S'pore citizenship. (He has a pink IC now.)
So what I'm asking is this. He is 17 now, and is going to MDIS after screwing his Os. After MDIS,(which is about a year), is he liable for NS or can he just ciao to Aussieland?(that's what he keeps telling me). OH and btw, he has had to defer for NS and stuff like that, judging by the letters he received. So.....? Thanks guys.
he still has to surf. but i dunno y youyayu dont need.