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  • saabster's Avatar
    146 posts since Apr '04
  • the Bear's Avatar
    149,697 posts since Feb '01
    • ahh.. a doctor.. a question i really want to ask all doctors, both civvie and military

      may i ask why is it that doctors can say that a person needs a week of rest to recover from influenza, then write out a 2-day medical certificate?

      i mean, i was too sick to ask but a doc actually told me this:

      "You'll start to feel better in about 3 days' time.. I'll give you 1 day MC"

      was almost unable to get out of bed the next day and had to, by sheer willpower, drag my carcass out of bed to go see him again for another day's medical leave..

      why?

      do doctors want us to go to work and spread the bug around? or have us endanger ourselves and others around us by being too ill to concentrate on work?

  • saabster's Avatar
    146 posts since Apr '04
    • MCs are meant to assist in your recovery in the acute phase. Not to cover you until you are 100%. Imagine if that was the case. Half the Singapore work force would be at home. Of course we know that a bout of flu will take about 5 days to completely recover but by about the 2nd day you should be fit enough to go to work, be it not completely recovered.

      Of course there are exceptions where you still feel like shit for a few days, then just get your MC extended. No big deal.

      As for myself, i have worked for 6 years now. I think I have only been on MC for maybe 2 days. It does not mean that I do not fall sick at all. The point I am trying to make is that there are few instances whereby you are so sick that you cannot go to work.

      Cheers

  • Master -_-'s Avatar
    20,186 posts since Jan '03
  • octega's Avatar
    1,329 posts since Jun '02
    • I notice MOs are rather young and have reach CPT rank.

      How does the route differ from another officer (lets say from infantry)? Assuming both start around the same time when they enter OCS?
      Also heard that those who choose to do medicene will be allow to finish their course first before entering SAF, in this the factor contributing to the young MOs we see?

      Just curious

      Question

  • the Bear's Avatar
    149,697 posts since Feb '01
    • well, i thought so.. thanks..

      btw, extended yes... but when the organisation thinks people are "playing MC" and hammer people for extending MC, people will drag their sick selves to work...

      and if they drive or handle heavy machinery at work, it represents a danger to everyone around them Neutral

      another question: do doctors advocate working sick?

      Originally posted by saabster:
      MCs are meant to assist in your recovery in the acute phase. Not to cover you until you are 100%. Imagine if that was the case. Half the Singapore work force would be at home. Of course we know that a bout of flu will take about 5 days to completely recover but by about the 2nd day you should be fit enough to go to work, be it not completely recovered.

      Of course there are exceptions where you still feel like shit for a few days, then just get your MC extended. No big deal.

      As for myself, i have worked for 6 years now. I think I have only been on MC for maybe 2 days. It does not mean that I do not fall sick at all. The point I am trying to make is that there are few instances whereby you are so sick that you cannot go to work.

      Cheers
  • Master -_-'s Avatar
    20,186 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by octega:
      I notice MOs are rather young and have reach CPT rank.

      How does the route differ from another officer (lets say from infantry)? Assuming both start around the same time when they enter OCS?
      Also heard that those who choose to do medicene will be allow to finish their course first before entering SAF, in this the factor contributing to the young MOs we see?

      Just curious

      Question

      if i'm not wrong, there are some Doctors in Hotel wing and Delta wing and their nametags state their name as Dr. xxx .
      I asked their wingmate who is my friend and he told me that they kind of defer their service to finish their studies and serve a longer period in army. AFAIK la Mr. Green>

  • saabster's Avatar
    146 posts since Apr '04
    • Originally posted by octega:
      I notice MOs are rather young and have reach CPT rank.

      How does the route differ from another officer (lets say from infantry)? Assuming both start around the same time when they enter OCS?
      Also heard that those who choose to do medicene will be allow to finish their course first before entering SAF, in this the factor contributing to the young MOs we see?

      Just curious

      Question

      MOs are not young by army standards. They have finished their course....5 years, Worked another 2 years before qualifying as an MO

      Generally you are looking at about 27years and above

      If you were a regular infantry officer, I am quite sure you would have reached the rank of CPT by 27yrs. I know that this might not always be the case

      Cheers

    • Originally posted by Master -_-:
      How much is ur pay ah during NSF? Mr. Green Mr. Green

      wah cannot exactly remember but it was definitely about 1200+

      Cheers

    • Originally posted by Master -_-:
      if i'm not wrong, there are some Doctors in Hotel wing and Delta wing and their nametags state their name as Dr. xxx .
      I asked their wingmate who is my friend and he told me that they kind of defer their service to finish their studies and serve a longer period in army. AFAIK la Mr. Green>

      They are the MO Cadets undergoing their MOCC. They will have to break trainning in SMM and go to OCS for the tri-service term.

      This means they still can be tekkan!! Mr. Green Just don;t wait too long because in another 8 weeks they will be CPT too Mr. Green

      Just Joking

      Cheers

    • Originally posted by the Bear:
      another question: do doctors advocate working sick?

      Wow deep!!

      How to answer.... Confused Confused

      No i do not and i am sure other do not advocate working sick. I mean it really depends on what the illness is and what job you are doing.

      For example if you have a sprained ankle. By definition you are not well. But if you do a desk job then you theorectically could continue your job with minimal problems. But if you had a sprained ankole and work as a labourer then it might warrant an MC. I hope you know what I mean

      Cheers

  • boariggy's Avatar
    1,865 posts since Apr '01
    • If i want to be a medic in NS , It'll be randomly assigned or allocated to ppl with prior studies related to biology/nursing ?
      Thanks.

  • saabster's Avatar
    146 posts since Apr '04
  • octega's Avatar
    1,329 posts since Jun '02
    • Originally posted by saabster:
      MOs are not young by army standards. They have finished their course....5 years, Worked another 2 years before qualifying as an MO

      Generally you are looking at about 27years and above

      If you were a regular infantry officer, I am quite sure you would have reached the rank of CPT by 27yrs. I know that this might not always be the case

      Cheers

      Icic...the reason I asked is because during my NS term, I was referred to Medical Board. There was a COL inside assisted by few MOs. These MOs (CPT) are dammn young, I can swear that they look 23 to 25. Even , if they are not that age, they were acting like it, playing with each other's pen, rolling around in their chairs, laughing.

      Suprise thing is that COL (looks like in his 30s) doesn't seems to care. I was like Shocked ...

  • antoh's Avatar
    2,573 posts since Sep '00
  • the Bear's Avatar
    149,697 posts since Feb '01
    • coz seems that some do! sadly...

      i'm a duty officer at the checkpoint... my team consists of junior officers who MUST be alert at all times...

      well, they were ill and still made to go to work after a day of medical leave... woozy from the pills and not feeling too well...

      they're faced with the management who feel that anyone who is ill is malingering... and hammered if they are ill too much and then lose their performance bonus.. (if you see the woodlands checkpoint, it is not a far cry to know that they are under tremendous stress and bad environment)

      there are not a few times where i have to tell my staff to go rest (and i face my boss's wrath instead)...

      otherwise, they may be allowing illegals into singapore... and it won't be really their fault...

      how does one come to grips with the needs for a person's well-being and health, and the need to work?

      i figure, human needs are paramount as putting a sick person to work, is counter-productive in any case..

      Originally posted by saabster:
      Wow deep!!

      How to answer.... Confused Confused

      No i do not and i am sure other do not advocate working sick. I mean it really depends on what the illness is and what job you are doing.

      For example if you have a sprained ankle. By definition you are not well. But if you do a desk job then you theorectically could continue your job with minimal problems. But if you had a sprained ankole and work as a labourer then it might warrant an MC. I hope you know what I mean

      Cheers
  • wuming78's Avatar
    17,056 posts since May '03
  • saabster's Avatar
    146 posts since Apr '04
    • Asked by Dorian X

      Are MOs all Guai Lan?

      My reply

      Guai Lan?! Hahaha......it really depends
      I have to admit that some are but a generalization is not fair

      Let's put things into perspective. I will refer to recruits and trainees

      Firstly have you seen the report sick number in Tekong. You can get up to 700 report sick a day. This is not including other FFI they have to conduct and other administrative work. Having only about 4 MOs max. The work load is overwhelming. If you do your sums right, based on an 8 hour day, each MO has to see about 22 pts. an hour. Not much time is there!!

      Secondly to tell you the truth about 40-50% of report sick are really not that ill. Not to say that they are malingerers but well they are not trying hard enough....

      Thirdly an MO is a CPT. They are most likely higher rank than most PCs and even some OCs... How many recruits or trainees actually give them as much respect or fear them as much as their PC or OC. This lack of respect towards the MO and lack of discipline within the medical centre can sometimes drive the MO up the wall... Literally.

      Remember a MO is still a NSF. He does not enjoy being there as much as most trainees do not enjoy trainning. So when the work piles up they are going to be grumpy. Grumpy people are not usually the most friendly.......unfortunately. Professionalism.......well they are still humans!

      This whole problems stems from the lack of interest towards NS. A fact still stands that most people would prefer to be watching a movie in Orchard than crawling in mud with your instructor shouting at you. Commanders must provide the motivation and interest......Rewards must be provided to soldiers who try hard and incentives to those that do not report sick. This way less will report sick, more will bookout early and the MOs will have more time to do their job properly.

      Cheers

    • Another Question

      What happens and why am I given PES A or B at CMPB if I have a medical problem. Esp. if I already have specialist letter

      Reply

      Depends on what your medical condition is. Depends on whether or not your specialist has been black-listed.

      There is a secret book which they would refer to to see whether your condition qualifies for a downgrade. It is NOT dependant on the whim and fancy of your MO.

      In most cases serious medical problems backedup by appropriate investigations and recommendations by a specialist will NOT be ignored

      Don't panic, just enlist and on the first day talk to your PC or OC to get an appointment at the medical center. Bring ALL your documents and investigations to support your medical condition. The MO will either OOC or give you enough light duties to cover you till you are investigated.

      Cheers

      Edited by saabster 15 May `04, 9:41AM
  • X-men's Avatar
    13,141 posts since Dec '99
    • Why MO always give paracetamol be it headache.. fever... whatever and the same cough syrup (the glass bottle with a green label if I remember correctly).

      Is there a limited choice of medications in the medical center?

  • wuming78's Avatar
    17,056 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by X-men:
      Why MO always give paracetamol be it headache.. fever... whatever and the same cough syrup (the glass bottle with a green label if I remember correctly).

      Is there a limited choice of medications in the medical center?

      cos most of the aliments are actually psychologically induced and could be cured by the very visit to the medical centre and the sight of an excuse, so the paracetamol is jus to placate them - placebo effect. Laughing

      no lah. paracetamol is the common cure for aloto common aliments?

  • BMEngineer's Avatar
    181 posts since Apr '04
  • wuming78's Avatar
    17,056 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by BMEngineer:
      Do MO participate in the jobs of combat medic also?

      no. the MO will man the BCS - battalion casualty station, which is o cos abit behind.

  • BMEngineer's Avatar
    181 posts since Apr '04
  • wuming78's Avatar
    17,056 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by BMEngineer:
      Combat medic officer=MO is it???

      MO = medical officer. combat or not doesnt matter.

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