Witness relates dunking death of soldier
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Friday September 24, 8:17 PM
Commandos trial: Witness relates dunking death of soldier
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SINGAPORE: A witness has told a subordinate court hearing the death of Second Sergeant Hu Enhuai he saw the 19-year-old struggling violently as his head was being dunked into the tub of water.
Sergeant Hu was a Guard sniper who died after attending a "Prisoner of War" training session at Pulau Tekong last year.
Yen Li Khai, who was a National Service infantry sergeant sent to the Commando camp to help conduct the Combat Survival Training Course at that time, said Sergeant Hu's hands were held down to prevent him from struggling and his head was held underwater for up to 20 seconds each time.
Sergeant Yen, who is now studying in Australia, also said he was shocked by how the Commando trainers treated Hu and Captain Ho Wan Huo.
He said the Commando trainers treated these two trainees much more harshly than any of the other trainees.
Sergeant Yen's job during the training was to blindfold and bind the hands of the trainees who were "prisoners of war" and to escort them to the water treatment area where the trainees would be interrogated by the Commando trainers.
Sergeant Yen said he was about 15 to 20 metres away from the tub used to dunk them.
He testified that he saw Lieutenant Ng Chin Fong push and hold Sergeant Hu's head underwater for 10 to 20 seconds.
Sergeant Yen said: "He (Hu) stuggled violently. After that, he was brought out of the water for about four to five seconds before his head was submerged again. During the time his head was lifted out of the water, the deceased was gasping for air."
Sergeant Yen continued: "He was breathing heavily when his head was lifted above the water. When the deceased completed the session, Lieutenant Jeff pulled the deceased out of the tub and the deceased fell to the ground.
"The deceased was motionless and I saw water coming out of his mouth. The deceased was vomiting water from his mouth."
As for the other trainee Captain Ho Wan Huo who survived but almost drowned, Sergent Yen said Lieutenant Divanand Hari had covered his mouth, nose and eyes and then pushed his head into underwater.
During the course of the evidence, the prosecution brought in a dummy blindfolded and hands tied behind the back for Sergeant Yen to demonstrate to the court how the dunking of Sergeant Hu and Captain Ho had been done.
However, the family members of Sergeant Hu were not in court to witness the demonstration.
Under cross-examination, Sergeant Yen said there were other instructors helping Lieutenant Diva during the water treatment component of the survival training.
Sergeant Yen added that another accused person, Captain Pandiaraj, was at the scene and he could have stopped the instructors from continuing the treatment. - CNA -
As for the other trainee Captain Ho Wan Huo who survived but almost drowned, Sergent Yen said Lieutenant Divanand Hari had covered his mouth, nose and eyes and then pushed his head into underwater.
It sounds like LTA tekan CPT...... -
i feel so sad for the late 2sgt.
hope that those guys who dunk him into the water kena heavyly... -
Oh well...what do you think would be the outcome?
On confirmed pt is that these 4 confirmed 'diao' in rank liaoz, even if they are not acquitted of manslaughter. But I have a feeling they may.... -
i would charge them for murder... best to demote them to privates.
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Confirmed will get the chop man, they clearly deviated from their own lesson plan and some got cheek to say that they were allowed to so just because the water treatment itself has been around since 98' albeit it being "unofficial" training. Howeveri believe its just commandos whacking guardsman and LTA "tekan" Captain. how to teach our soldiers to resist POW interrogations when the trainers do it to purposely tekaN troops from other vocations. Look what US and the Brits do with their SERE training...takes you over the limit, but no one died because they know the line between hardass and dumbass.
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y nt they take guns and shoot them in their limbs ar. lame shit. it's the same. jus a bloodless way to kill/torture them... haiz~ hope they stay in the db for the rest of their life.
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May end up as cuplable homicide not amounting to murder.
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Yea.Originally posted by LazerLordz:May end up as cuplable homicide not amounting to murder.
I doubt their lawyers will let the full punishment of murder come into play. Most likely, leniancy.
Anyway, confirm tio civil and military marshal one. Cos once you are in SAF and you are embroiled in a court case, you get 2x punishment -
good thing now they remove the POW part... haiz~ these ppl suck man. they should have at least notice the sign of struggle and let go of that poor guy. they are stupid and should be killed.Originally posted by deathscythe99:Yea.
I doubt their lawyers will let the full punishment of murder come into play. Most likely, leniancy.
Anyway, confirm tio civil and military marshal one. Cos once you are in SAF and you are embroiled in a court case, you get 2x punishment -
They would end up becoming a future textbook case for all SAF and MINDEF Public Affairs , G6 Army personnel, and even law undergrads.
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del.
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I dunnoe y, i realli hate hendon camp for some reasons. Got lots of brawns, no brain, SAD. >.<
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that is your perception, and i personally disagree - i have come across a number of commandos who have displayed both. why should commandos have only one of the two assets listed? the training caused them to be so? SAF deliberately picked dimwits to fill the elite unit of the organisation? people with outstanding physical attributes naturally fall short in their mental facilities? which of these are supposed to be true??Originally posted by kwlee:I dunnoe y, i realli hate hendon camp for some reasons. Got lots of brawns, no brain, SAD. >.< -
poor thing....
the officers oso not really all their fault....
this is almost like 90% of what the person will suffer , besides so many pple have went..who would have expected..
HAIZ...
My condolences to the family to the late HCJC boy ...
It's pretty ironic,
you want POW training ,
trained to go thru POW stuff,
this kind of stuff surely happen 1.. -
pls dun stereotype..Originally posted by kwlee:I dunnoe y, i realli hate hendon camp for some reasons. Got lots of brawns, no brain, SAD. >.<
watever it is..dun blame Hendon for this incident..it involve those people on trial only...
one main side effect from this incident...slacking of all training for NSF...
dun believe..go ask around..
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NB bloody Farking LTAs.... how had fun right? Chee bye... kill my friend.... damn shiok right? dunk ppl, got power, damn shiok right? never think that the person might actually die right? How the hell SAF let 2 brainless idiots be commissioned? Fark them. Somemore drag their superiors into hot water as well.
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don't say that. These 2 bastards were def enjoying themselves. YEAAAAHHH of COURSE they weren't expecting anything to happen.... the 2 imbeciles WEREN'T USING THEIR BRAINS!Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:poor thing....
the officers oso not really all their fault....
this is almost like 90% of what the person will suffer , besides so many pple have went..who would have expected..
HAIZ...
My condolences to the family to the late HCJC boy ...
It's pretty ironic,
you want POW training ,
trained to go thru POW stuff,
this kind of stuff surely happen 1..
for the stupidity of 2 man and the rest chosing to feign ignorance, the CDO as a formation suffered. Well done soldiers.
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howdy Heng..cool down bro..
abt one of the instructor being drunk during the course...i have confirm it..yes its true that one of them was drunk..n its obviously someone is covering it up.. -
Grrr..... with regards to this case, my inside info is all correct. from the time i said it was a drowning incident to my saying that the instructors drank b4 the dunking, i was always right. AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO COVER UP? DO THEY WANT THE MEDIA TO KNOW SOMEONE IS COVERING UP?Originally posted by NathanG5:howdy Heng..cool down bro..
abt one of the instructor being drunk during the course...i have confirm it..yes its true that one of them was drunk..n its obviously someone is covering it up..
I wonder how THAT would further damage their reputation further... or would they rather cover up like they 1st did n claim he collapsed, until they realise the media already somehow knew n kept hounding them for it? -
the arse who is drunk..also had a nickname regarding his love for alcohol...Originally posted by HENG@:Grrr..... with regards to this case, my inside info is all correct. from the time i said it was a drowning incident to my saying that the instructors drank b4 the dunking, i was always right. AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO COVER UP? DO THEY WANT THE MEDIA TO KNOW SOMEONE IS COVERING UP?
I wonder how THAT would further damage their reputation further... or would they rather cover up like they 1st did n claim he collapsed, until they realise the media already somehow knew n kept hounding them for it?
hey Heng..read your pte msg ok.. -
din receive any new pte msg?Originally posted by NathanG5:the arse who is drunk..also had a nickname regarding his love for alcohol...
hey Heng..read your pte msg ok.. -
"Divanandhari took out his(CPT Ho) captain rank, threw it on the ground and stepped on it" i quote this from today's Straits Times. What is this suppose to mean ??? ... Diva is a fu*king sadist ...
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hey.... tat cannot be done.... according 2 saf.... u can throw ppl's rank but not step on it.....Originally posted by kwlee:"Divanandhari took out his(CPT Ho) captain rank, threw it on the ground and stepped on it" i quote this from today's Straits Times. What is this suppose to mean ??? ... Diva is a fu*king sadist ...
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they are waiting for their jail term and stroke of canes on their sorri ass....Originally posted by joker105:hey.... tat cannot be done.... according 2 saf.... u can throw ppl's rank but not step on it.....
btw.... wonder wat will happen 2 those bastards....???