All there is is Presence
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All there is are actually the all-pervading Presence. Our sense of self (ego) is actually attentions focused (very rapidly) on many layers of thoughts and sensations. This is the matrix.
The layers are as follows:
Physical layer- attention/belief put to physical sensations(thought)
Mental layer- attention to mental thoughts
Emotional layer- cause by judging the mental thoughts
In addition, there is a storehouse where all images/belief of oneself is stored.
For example: we may have this image:
'I am smart.'
If the external world validates that this is true, the person feels happy.
If the external world appears to show that he is not, then he will not be happy and thus suffer.
Actually in the 'external world' nothing real happens, the response is totally within the person's mind.
Beyond the encasement of all these layers of thoughts and sensation is just Pure consciousness/Presence. Actually everything is the Pure consciousness. It is just that many rapid attentions to thoughts and sensation create the sense of self. -
I've spoken to Thusness about this.
There is no point saying all is/are You, Presence, Reality.
It is only in the direct experience that you know it is true nature.
When you said sensation, images..etc, there is seperation and division. Precisely because the experiences and theories you created are derived, therefore the moment to moment of existence are not experienced in full, and pure consciousness as a separate layer is created, not experienced directly. If you can experience yours directly and see condition arising, then you have entered the stream. -
Hi LongChen,
It is not that it is pointless to experience all as pure presence.
Your experience of "All there is are actually the all-pervading Presence" is most valuable and sacred.
Nothing is more real and clear than IT -- The reality of All.
There is no doubt about it.
I am sure you have experienced 'Pure Presence' but I am equally sure that it escapes you in daily life experiences.
Why is this so?
Because during the process of analysis we have unknowingly divided 'Pure Presence' from sensation, thoughts, images, taste and forms..etc
and worst still we have made this a blueprint for us to 'see' and 'experience' the phenomenon existence.
This unintentional re-enforcement of our karmic forces will prevent us from experiencing our nature in full
and 'Pure Consciousness' will become a transparent like-substance hiding somewhere waiting forever to be found.
This Pure Consciousnes as a 'transparent-formless-light' is an image created by thought, it is not the true face of Pure Consciousness.
Do explore into the concept of Emptines and Conditional Arising of buddhism in detail if you have time.
Thusness -
Dear Thusness,
Thank you for your advice... it is most valid and helpful and I can see that 'habit' that you have described.
I do have experiences of presence in the daily waking life... but there are also habitual patterns as well. It will take time and fearlessness to fully stabilise. You know what i mean.
Also, I have psychically 'read' you and Xabir and are intuitively factored.
Thanks for the help. -
Eternal Now,
When the pure, formless, clear, brilliance bright, boundless and luminous enters
the sphere of thoughts, the mind transforms the Presence into an 'ENTITY' that is pure, formless,
clear, brilliance bright, boundless and luminous.
This entity, this something is the 'Self' added by a divided mind.
Without creating this 'center', this base, this something, a divided mind does not know how to function. Because the thinking mind understands through measurement and comparison.
In buddhism, this 'Self' is extra and created. In reality it does not exist.
This is the wisdom to be awaken in order to see reality in its nakedness.
When this is clear, the stream always IS. -
What you meant by intuively factored?Originally posted by longchen:Dear Thusness,
Thank you for your advice... it is most valid and helpful and I can see that 'habit' that you have described.
I do have experiences of presence in the daily waking life... but there are also habitual patterns as well. It will take time and fearlessness to fully stabilise. You know what i mean.
Also, I have psychically 'read' you and Xabir and are intuitively factored.
Thanks for the help. 
Anyway I personally think that Thusness is the wisest and most experienced person I can find in the internet. -
Basically, i made decision-based on intuitive knowing (inner knowing). As for psychic vision, you already know how i do it...
The vision and the intuition work as a cohesive unit. -
oh i see...
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Rather than saying that god created world or there is a creator of this world, the real creator of ur own world is your six sense doors. What happen when the six senses doors are gone? There will be no eye, ear, nose, tougue, feel and mind conscience. Since from the six sense doors, there is a world created. Then the real world is just a creation of you.
When one silented its mind and recognised the senses are just creations of consciousness, what is left is only presence. But this presence is also a creation of mind, going a step further will eliminate this presence too.
With Metta.
Sangha -
then what created the mind
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The mind is conditioned, not created. Just like form, it is a manifest of emptiness. The nama's agregates conditioned there is a mental, consciousness and thus created a mind.
Metta,
Sangha. -
what is there to condition the mind?
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Feeling, perception, mental formation and conscious.
With Metta.
Sangha -
Hi Sangha,Originally posted by Sangha:Rather than saying that god created world or there is a creator of this world, the real creator of ur own world is your six sense doors. What happen when the six senses doors are gone? There will be no eye, ear, nose, tougue, feel and mind conscience. Since from the six sense doors, there is a world created. Then the real world is just a creation of you.
When one silented its mind and recognised the senses are just creations of consciousness, what is left is only presence. But this presence is also a creation of mind, going a step further will eliminate this presence too.
With Metta.
Sangha
What happens when presence is eliminated. No thought, no presence... then could this be a blank?
I do have a time when i meditated into a blank. No perception. it was when the mind 'moves' again that i realise that i was in the blank.
Thanks you. -
Hi LongChen,
The blankness is a form of absorption where the knowing faculty of consciousness is temporarily suspended. Complete clarity and Presence without a 'Self' is more crucial.
The 'Self' that is created over countless lives of attachment cannot be underestimated.
We are in almost helpless bondage that our perceptions are shaped and held in a sort
of hypnosis that we feel, think, experience and deduced our understandings from the
perspective of an 'I'. Thus analytical understanding derived from the glimpse of
the Pure Presence Reality will very quickly get distorted.
When Presence is experienced with the six sense doors shut,
Presence is experienced as a form of "I AMness".
When Presence is experience with six sense doors widely open,
Presence is experienced as a form of "I AM All".
However neither experience tells us the TRUE NATURE of Pure Presence.
Even the very sense of Realness, of Existence, of Life and Vividness is so strong,
due to the sense of 'I' there will be a sense of location somewhere,
and the true face of Pure Presence remains hidden.
The mind is just not used to knowing the absolutely nothing, non-local,
nowhere to be found yet pure, brillance bright and ever luminious.
It will locate, it will find, it will grasp.
There must come a time for the mind to let go of itself completely.
If we are bold enough to let go and enter into the world that is wordless,
labelless and thoughtless, and if this is substained, wisdom and insight will arise.
This wisdom is the extraordinary Clarity, Vividness and Realness, wholeness whole.
It is crystal clear filling all spaces and places.
Both in silence and in noise, in blankness and somethingness.
Those that experience the Pure Presence will appreciate this crystal clear reality.
This re-visting of Pure Presence will be thorough and entire.
There will be no doubt.
Buddhism Emptiness is deep and profound. Do go into it.
Happy Journey -
Sounds like a level of Formless jhanas (5th to 8th jhana) to me. The ecstasy and joy of lower jhanas which you have experienced in your younger days and described to me, will eventually fade as one enters a higher level of absorption.Originally posted by longchen:Hi Sangha,
What happens when presence is eliminated. No thought, no presence... then could this be a blank?
I do have a time when i meditated into a blank. No perception. it was when the mind 'moves' again that i realise that i was in the blank.
Thanks you.
8 Levels of Jhanas:
1st - investigation (vitarka), analysis (vicara), joy, bliss, one-pointedness
2nd - joy, bliss, one-pointedness, (inner purity, or internal clarity)
3rd - bliss, one-pointedness,(equanimity, mindfulness, insight)
4th - one-pointedness; (completely pure equanimity, mindfulness,
neither pleasure nor pain.)
5. Fifth Jhana: jhana of boundless space (anantakasa).
6. Sixth Jhana: jhana of pure expansive consciousness (vinnana).
7. Seventh Jhana: jhana of pure emptiness (akinci, lit. "nothingness" )
8. Eighth Jhana: jhana beyond perception and nonperception (nevasannanasanna)
Nevertheless no levels of absorption whether form or formless are ultimate. All these mystic states are created and conditioned by the mind. They are impermanent and still within the sphere of mundane realities. Buddha had abandoned 2 of his teachers who taught him how to attain the 7th and 8th Jhana, because it did not lead him to enlightenment.
At best such a practitioner of formless jhana, at the point of death, abiding in absorption becomes reborned in the jhanic realms of formlessness, and exist for uncountable kalpas of years. However he has not ended his cycle of rebirth, and subtle defilements of the mind may one day arise and cause him to fall even possibly into the 3 lower realms (hell, ghosts, animals). -
Hi Thusness,Originally posted by Thusness:Hi LongChen,
The blankness is a form of absorption where the knowing faculty of consciousness is temporarily suspended. Complete clarity and Presence without a 'Self' is more crucial.
The 'Self' that is created over countless lives of attachment cannot be underestimated.
We are in almost helpless bondage that our perceptions are shaped and held in a sort
of hypnosis that we feel, think, experience and deduced our understandings from the
perspective of an 'I'. Thus analytical understanding derived from the glimpse of
the Pure Presence Reality will very quickly get distorted.
When Presence is experienced with the six sense doors shut,
Presence is experienced as a form of "I AMness".
When Presence is experience with six sense doors widely open,
Presence is experienced as a form of "I AM All".
However neither experience tells us the TRUE NATURE of Pure Presence.
Even the very sense of Realness, of Existence, of Life and Vividness is so strong,
due to the sense of 'I' there will be a sense of location somewhere,
and the true face of Pure Presence remains hidden.
The mind is just not used to knowing the absolutely nothing, non-local,
nowhere to be found yet pure, brillance bright and ever luminious.
It will locate, it will find, it will grasp.
There must come a time for the mind to let go of itself completely.
If we are bold enough to let go and enter into the world that is wordless,
labelless and thoughtless, and if this is substained, wisdom and insight will arise.
This wisdom is the extraordinary Clarity, Vividness and Realness, wholeness whole.
It is crystal clear filling all spaces and places.
Both in silence and in noise, in blankness and somethingness.
Those that experience the Pure Presence will appreciate this crystal clear reality.
This re-visting of Pure Presence will be thorough and entire.
There will be no doubt.
Buddhism Emptiness is deep and profound. Do go into it.
Happy Journey
Your message feels of truth. Thanks for it. I will do as you advice.
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Anyway it's good to take Thusness's advise as it contains wisdom. That is more trustworthy than my words.
I am wisdomless.
But here's my [conceptual] understanding:
Buddha Nature = Rigpa = Luminosity + Emptiness.
You have realised your "Luminosity" aspect of the Rigpa, but Luminosity and Emptiness is inseperable. To realise the True Nature one must also realise Emptiness.