I am not against filal piety. What I am against is putting too much weight, emphasis on it. Buddhism one word take care of filial piety liao: Compassion.
I am against pushing a wai dao text to people who show interest to Buddhism. Dun waste time pushing di zi gui to them newbies. Pass them some introductory Buddhism textbook, some basic sutras that should be the way. Dun waste people's time. Go straight to the point.
Buddhism also have "The Buddha Speaks about the Deep Kindness of Parents and the Difficulty of Repaying it ", 佛说父���难报�.
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Parents.htm
recently i took a buddhist quotation booklet (Settling back into the moment) from my home bookshelf and it quoted Chuang Tzu:-
If a man is crossing a river and an empty boat collides with his skiff, even though he is a bad-tempered man he will not become very angry.
But if he sees a man in the boat, he will shout at him to steer clear. If the shout is not heard he will shout again, and yet again, and begin cursing. And all because there is somebody in the boat.
Yet, if the boat were empty, he would not be shouting, and not angry.
If you can empty your own boat crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you. No one will seek to harm you....
Such is the perfect man:
His boat is empty.
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if one is so particular on external stuff, think better don't go into Zen as if u go look up library on Zen Books, most of them will qoute from Lao Zi(Dao De Jing) and Chuang Tzu. unless u ask them to deshelves, which is not possible.
Originally posted by sinweiy:Buddhism also have "The Buddha Speaks about the Deep Kindness of Parents and the Difficulty of Repaying it ", 佛说父���难报�.
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Parents.htm
recently i took a buddhist quotation booklet (Settling back into the moment) from my home bookshelf and it quoted Chuang Tzu:-
If a man is crossing a river and an empty boat collides with his skiff, even though he is a bad-tempered man he will not become very angry.
But if he sees a man in the boat, he will shout at him to steer clear. If the shout is not heard he will shout again, and yet again, and begin cursing. And all because there is somebody in the boat.
Yet, if the boat were empty, he would not be shouting, and not angry.
If you can empty your own boat crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you. No one will seek to harm you....
Such is the perfect man:
His boat is empty.---
if one is so particular on external stuff, think better don't go into Zen as if u go look up library on Zen Books, most of them will qoute from Lao Zi(Dao De Jing) and Chuang Tzu. unless u ask them to deshelves, which is not possible.
Nice analogy :) thanks.
Originally posted by sinweiy:Buddhism also have "The Buddha Speaks about the Deep Kindness of Parents and the Difficulty of Repaying it ", 佛说父���难报�.
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Parents.htm
recently i took a buddhist quotation booklet (Settling back into the moment) from my home bookshelf and it quoted Chuang Tzu:-
If a man is crossing a river and an empty boat collides with his skiff, even though he is a bad-tempered man he will not become very angry.
But if he sees a man in the boat, he will shout at him to steer clear. If the shout is not heard he will shout again, and yet again, and begin cursing. And all because there is somebody in the boat.
Yet, if the boat were empty, he would not be shouting, and not angry.
If you can empty your own boat crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you. No one will seek to harm you....
Such is the perfect man:
His boat is empty.---
if one is so particular on external stuff, think better don't go into Zen as if u go look up library on Zen Books, most of them will qoute from Lao Zi(Dao De Jing) and Chuang Tzu. unless u ask them to deshelves, which is not possible.
Let me ask you a simple question. Which is the most direct, shortest path into Buddhism? Reading Di Zi Gui, or go read Buddhism textbooks, sutras?
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Andy Lau wrote this right?
perhaps we can learn something here.
Originally posted by geis:æ— é‡�心 生ç¦�报 æ— æž�é™�,
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悟性 悟觉 悟空 心甘情愿Andy Lau wrote this right?
perhaps we can learn something here.
Nobody wanna set square or round. Zen Buddhism teaches me, just go straight. Dun be convoluted, dun complicate things. Introduce Di Zi Gui to newbies interested in Buddhism, thats not going straight.
it's not about shortest or longest. for example, the shortest/sudden path is ch'an, but not all people can understand ch'an. or all people Must take up ch'an. it's about comprehensible.
btw Di Zi Gui is not from confucius. it's a compilation from Li Yuxiu.
Originally posted by sinweiy:it's not about shortest or longest. for example, the shortest/sudden path is ch'an, but not all people can understand ch'an. or all people Must take up ch'an. it's about comprehensible.
btw Di Zi Gui is not from confucius. it's a compilation from Li Yuxiu.
Di Zi Gui (dizigui) or "STUDENTS' RULES"
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I am not talking about the shortest path towards Buddhahood, nirvana, or enlightenment. I am talking about shortest path into Buddhism. Reading Di Zi Gui or Buddhism textbooks and sutras??
Di Zi Gui is not from confucius but its classify as a confucianism book.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Nobody wanna set square or round. Zen Buddhism teaches me, just go straight. Dun be convoluted, dun complicate things. Introduce Di Zi Gui to newbies interested in Buddhism, thats not going straight.
u newbie, u don't understand. it's known as 先以欲勾牵，�令入佛智.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
u newbie, u don't understand. it's known as 先以欲勾牵，�令入佛智.
Nope. Its you MJK sect dun understand whats going straight.
Originally posted by Zenist69:I am not talking about the shortest path towards Buddhahood, nirvana, or enlightenment. I am talking about shortest path into Buddhism. Reading Di Zi Gui or Buddhism textbooks and sutras??
Di Zi Gui is not from confucius but its classify as a confucianism book.
then they classify wrongly.
to me if a person can comprehend anything better, then it's the shortest path To them.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
u newbie, u don't understand. it's known as 先以欲勾牵，�令入佛智.
And if u wanna talk about 先以欲勾牵，�令入佛智 wats so interesting about Di Zi Gui which talk about brushing teeth, respect the elderly and all that?
Originally posted by Zenist69:Nope. Its you MJK sect dun understand whats going straight.
nope, it's u too particular. most are not MJK sect too.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
then they classify wrongly.to me if a person can comprehend anything better, then it's the shortest path To them.
Its a path to where? People might not get into Buddhism after reading Di Zi Gui. But if we go straight and introduce newbie buddhism books, at least they get a chance to decide whether thats for them or not. To pass Di Zi Gui to newbie, people who curious about buddhism, thats MISLEADING. Passing off Di Zi Gui as Buddhism text, thats just not right.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
nope, it's u too particular. most are not MJK sect too.
Not me being particular. Its u MJK supporters have got a fixation, attachment on Di Zi Gui, which is not a Buddhism text.
What do u mean most are not MJK sect? Most Buddhist who are in support of pushing Di Zi Gui to newbie Buddhist they are mostly from MJK sect, MJK supporters. Stop this twisting and turning.
Originally posted by Zenist69:And if u wanna talk about 先以欲勾牵，�令入佛智 wats so interesting about Di Zi Gui which talk about brushing teeth, respect the elderly and all that?
like geis(?) or forgot who, i also, the begining books i read that interest me into Buddhism is actually many "waidao" books, especially Tao De Jing too. as the more i read, the more i want to find out about truth. no matter how the falsehood is, the truth will prevail.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
like geis(?) or forgot who, i also, the begining books i read that interest me into Buddhism is actually many "waidao" books, especially Tao De Jing too. as the more i read, the more i want to find out about truth. no matter how the falsehood is, the truth will prevail.
Yes the truth will prevail. But no point letting people go one big round like wat we did right? I also dun go straight to buddhism. I am interested in lao tzi, and chuang zi all that initially. Later on, then I switch to Buddhism. But that doesn't mean, from now on, when I wanna introduce buddhism, i should ask those newbies to go read lao tzi and chuang zi first. Why let them go one big round i dun get it.
Originally posted by Zenist69:Not me being particular. Its u MJK supporters have got a fixation, attachment on Di Zi Gui, which is not a Buddhism text.
What do u mean most are not MJK sect? Most Buddhist who are in support of pushing Di Zi Gui to newbie Buddhist they are mostly from MJK sect, MJK supporters. Stop this twisting and turning.
sorry i not fixated. i read abit, but i also not follow wholeheartedly, as i think i pass the period or too busy.
i mean like the forum people like wiser, is not wholehearted followers of MJK, but they also does not support ur idea.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
sorry i not fixated. i read abit, but i also not follow wholeheartedly, as i think i pass the period or too busy.i mean like the forum people like wiser, is not wholehearted followers of MJK, but they also does not support ur idea.
If u are not fixated with it, then why keep on defending the idea of passing di zi gui to newbies?
wiser maybe he's not a wholehearted follow of MJK, but he is a supporter of MJK.
Originally posted by Zenist69:If u are not fixated with it, then why keep on defending the idea of passing di zi gui to newbies?
wiser maybe he's not a wholehearted follow of MJK, but he is a supporter of MJK.
i defending because u are too defending and fixated, don't know moderation/middle path. if Buddha see u too fixated on form, He will defend emptiness. if Buddha see u too fixated on emptiness, He will defend form. ..haha..(zen talk).
wiser told u to go ask MJK yourself, where got support?
Originally posted by Zenist69:Yes the truth will prevail. But no point letting people go one big round like wat we did right? I also dun go straight to buddhism. I am interested in lao tzi, and chuang zi all that initially. Later on, then I switch to Buddhism. But that doesn't mean, from now on, when I wanna introduce buddhism, i should ask those newbies to go read lao tzi and chuang zi first. Why let them go one big round i dun get it.
u can try, but i tell u they will still be very curious to know.
if u read my previous posts over the years, i also advocate newbies to dig on the same hole to find water rather than dig many holes. this is called 'trying'.
erm honestly i only seen a few of Master Jing Kong's teachings only, so cannot classify as supporter.
i think Sinweiy has already explained my posts.
The whole spectrum of Buddha's teachings cover everything that is required for us to be liberated. Yet only when the conditions are right then one will get in touch with them.
for e.g. im the only person at home to study the teachings. with all the books in my cupboard, even my parents do not touch them. but if i wanna share something with them, i will use a lingo and scenario familiar to them to bring the teachings across.
life's conditions will always be the door to the Dharma. i started exploring meditation on my own without a teacher for a long time, reading Tao Te Ching, and also this forum ( i read the forum anonymously for more than 1 year). most people will regard this path as taking one big circle and redundant. however, this big circle is not only not redundant, but it's necessary and essential as conditions for further practice.
if someone i meet is open to it, i will introduce Buddhist books. If one is not open to it, be it Di Zi Gui or the Bible, it's fine. These will guide them in the basic teachings of life first, and slowly bring them towards the Dharma in future
a friend shared with me the analogy of the wet matchstick which i have posted on my blog.
Originally posted by geis:erm honestly i only seen a few of Master Jing Kong's teachings only, so cannot classify as supporter.
i think Sinweiy has already explained my posts.
The whole spectrum of Buddha's teachings cover everything that is required for us to be liberated. Yet only when the conditions are right then one will get in touch with them.
for e.g. im the only person at home to study the teachings. with all the books in my cupboard, even my parents do not touch them. but if i wanna share something with them, i will use a lingo and scenario familiar to them to bring the teachings across.
life's conditions will always be the door to the Dharma. i started exploring meditation on my own without a teacher for a long time, reading Tao Te Ching, and also this forum ( i read the forum anonymously for more than 1 year). most people will regard this path as taking one big circle and redundant. however, this big circle is not only not redundant, but it's necessary and essential as conditions for further practice.
if someone i meet is open to it, i will introduce Buddhist books. If one is not open to it, be it Di Zi Gui or the Bible, it's fine. These will guide them in the basic teachings of life first, and slowly bring them towards the Dharma in future
a friend shared with me the analogy of the wet matchstick which i have posted on my blog.
Philip once told me this story about the wet matchstick, which was told to him by a Guru in the past.
It is said that everyone’s receptivity to the Dharma is like a wet matchstick. For some, the matchstick is very wet, no matter how hard we try to strike the match it will never catch fire. In other words, the conditions are not suitable for one to engage in learning and practicing the Dharma.For some, the matchstick is half wet. Some parts of the head are wet, while there may be a small bit that is dry. If we can strike the match at that small bit, the matchstick will light up. So the person who encounters the right conditions will be sparked to learn and practice the Dharma.And for some, the matchstick is dry. Naturally the matchstick can be lighted. So the person is very predisposed to learning and practicing the Dharma.This analogy is very simple and straightforward.
So dun keep pushing for Di Zi Gui. Once a newbie said he's interested and curious about Buddhism, just pass some basic Buddhism books to them. Simple as that.
Originally posted by sinweiy:
i defending because u are too defending and fixated, don't know moderation/middle path. if Buddha see u too fixated on form, He will defend emptiness. if Buddha see u too fixated on emptiness, He will defend form. ..haha..(zen talk).wiser told u to go ask MJK yourself, where got support?
Pushing for Di Zi Gui to people who show interest in Buddhism, thats not right. 'cause Di Zi Gui is not Buddhism. Shouldn't pass Di Zi Gui off pretending it to be Buddhism text. Its almost like deception. I speak out on this issue here in this forum. So why does that make me fixated, dun noe about moderation and middle path?
MJK sect should heed this middle path advise. Stop pushing for Di Zi Gui. Maybe some people really not into Buddhism, boh bian, then we resort to other skillful means, such as sharing Di Zi Gui. But to push Di Zi Gui to all newbies, thats obsess with Di Zi Gui, attachment to wai dao books.
Originally posted by Zenist69:So dun keep pushing for Di Zi Gui. Once a newbie said he's interested and curious about Buddhism, just pass some basic Buddhism books to them. Simple as that.
This is of course.
Well, the impression i get from your posts is you will give/ recommend/ push Buddhist books no matter what conditions.
the key word here is discernment. we need to discern the present conditions.
like i already mentioned. if Di Zi Gui reaches out to someone more, i will use that. if the Bible reaches out to someone more, i will use that too.