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  • kuji-in's Avatar
    83 posts since Mar '11
    • Dear All ,

      I would like to seek your opinion on the above topic as it is greatly troubling to me.

      In many religions around the world, there have been practices where animal or human victims have been murdered on the altar in the belief that it will bring blessings.

      I am deeply disturbed by all these. Perhaps anyone can kindly share his buddhist beliefs on the topic of blood sacrifice.

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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
  • kuji-in's Avatar
    83 posts since Mar '11
    • do u think those people who benifit from a blood sacrifice will become a sacrifice themselves in a future recarnation?

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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
    • The exact karmic effects for each person differs and we won't know as we're not Buddhas. But those who are always involved in killing are likely to be reborn in the lower realms - hell, animal or hungry ghost.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 18 Jan `13, 2:38PM
  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
    • There is negative karma if you are personally involved in its killing - i.e. personally kill, or demand, its killing.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 18 Jan `13, 9:56PM
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    sinweiy's Avatar
    4,015 posts since Jun '05
    • eat that time got afflictions like greed or hatred? problem is not just the food, it's also the mind. 

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  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by sinweiy:

      eat that time got afflictions like greed or hatred? problem is not just the food, it's also the mind. 

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      thanks.

      eat it like normal food???? how?

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    sinweiy's Avatar
    4,015 posts since Jun '05
    • Originally posted by SJS6638:

      thanks.

      eat it like normal food???? how?

      are u Buddha?

      only Buddha don't have karma. even bodhisattvas have some ignorance karma.

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  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • that is tough.    this means sometimes we can do things without us knowing it will have karmic effects on us.

      goodness, gracious  !

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    sinweiy's Avatar
    4,015 posts since Jun '05
    • yes, it's like a child eating sweets, not knowing it will cause tooth decay. an adult know in a long run sweets are no good for the teeth so will eat less or not eat sweets. 

      Buddha is all knowing like the adult, unenlightened people don't know like the child.

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  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
  • Gu7777g's Avatar
    475 posts since Dec '10
    • Kill living things for blessing? I am taoist, i wont even pray meat to my god in my house, go think about it,Karma.

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    sinweiy's Avatar
    4,015 posts since Jun '05
    • those who use meat are preying to ghosts/妖. devas/gods are vegan. if they smell meat, they will run away. i heard from Ven Hui Lu. use fruits are correct. fruits mean 果 fruition/effect.

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      Edited by sinweiy 19 Jan `13, 8:23AM
  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • I thought I ever read that All Eternal Now said even Buddha is not a vegetarian.

      So which is which  .......................

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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
    • It is true that Buddha (when he was still around) and the early tradition of Buddhism is not vegetarian, vegetarian only developed in later Mahayana period in the tathagatagarbha doctrines.

      But Buddha is not some spirit that needs to be fed. We do not 'feed' Buddha. He does not need food. We give offerings of flowers etc out of respect and reverence. He doesn't need anything, we just pay our respects.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 20 Jan `13, 1:15PM
  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • Really confuse.

      Does it mean that people who are not vegetarian will automatically become ghosts after they pass away because of what was stated in this forum?

       

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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
    • Nope. People become ghosts due to bad karma (having done unwholesome deeds in their life) or other reasons such as being too attached to certain things.

      By virtue of wholesome karma, you can be reborn in the higher realms, such as human and heaven.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 20 Jan `13, 1:23PM
    • Meat is allowed by Buddha on the condition that you do not personally kill, demand, or witness the killing: http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol5no4a.htm

      This is why I try to avoid live seafood, I never order live seafood by myself. But I'm not a vegetarian. Frozen meat is still ok.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 20 Jan `13, 1:24PM
  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

      Meat is allowed by Buddha on the condition that you do not personally kill, demand, or witness the killing: http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol5no4a.htm

      This is why I try to avoid live seafood, I never order live seafood by myself. But I'm not a vegetarian.

      What about live oyster in the shell?

      thanks for clarification.    Will stay away from live food.   

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    An Eternal Now's Avatar
    17,258 posts since Sep '04
    • Avoid it... if I'm not wrong some oysters are frozen (i.e. already killed), but in restaurants if you can find live oyster etc, then better avoid it since you will be involved in directly killing which is bad karma.

      Edited by An Eternal Now 20 Jan `13, 1:26PM
  • SJS6638's Avatar
    5,614 posts since Nov '11
    • oh O !  I love live oysters.     OK ok, will avoid it.

      I also want to avoid eating live prawns... they called it "zui xia"   .  Prawns are cooked live. 

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    5,614 posts since Nov '11
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    sinweiy's Avatar
    4,015 posts since Jun '05
    • Originally posted by SJS6638:

      I thought I ever read that All Eternal Now said even Buddha is not a vegetarian.

      So which is which  .......................

      devas and Buddha are different issue btw. 

      i think it's also because this period of time, the world is in a difficult period(evil time of the Five Turbidities 五濁惡世). there are many human world out there that are more into good deeds and don't eat meat. sutras and rules are also spoken according to this period. Buddha also have to accustom to the living habit of that period to set his precepts. but all leading toward detachment. 

      there are study that show that the human organ structure like the teeth, long intestine, finger nails etc are more like herbivore, not even like ominvore. this also can be a prove the saying in the sutra that human are de-evolve from devas. 

      i am not sure i heard the recent studies that fish do not feel pain, but shell fishs can feel pain when u pull the shell out of their bodies. hmm...

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