Biting Point?!
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Hey guys, I have some troubles starting from gear one in my lessons.
Problem is either I release the clutch too fast(Causing it to jerk a little) or don't press enough accelerator(causing it to jerk as well).
So what's the different methods to tackle this? Do share your experience.
Thanks.
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feel.
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use auto car
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slowly...
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step throttle abit more its allrite, release clutch slowly. the feeling will come la. hard 2 xplain
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the best way for your body to get a biting point, is best practise on the slope up.
It took me a while but I finally learn to control biting point with half clutch on a slope.
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ask ur instructor. they know the "feel" more.
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If you are practising, when the car is at a standstill (ie. free gear and handbrake engaged), engage 1st gear. Then, at the same time you are slowly releasing clutch and depressing the accelerator, there are 2 ways to hear when the biting point is reached.
The ah cek way is to listen to the sound. When the revving sound volume suddenly drops, that is more or less the biting point or the half clutch.
Another way is to look at the Tachometer (I think that's what it is called...). When you initially depress on the accelerator, the needle will generally point to a reading around 1500 - 2000 rpm. As you are likely only an L-plate, I doubt you will be hitting the gas too much as I think your instructor will kpkb if you do so. Therefore your engine rpm should not be too high. as you keep constant pressure on your accelerator and slowly release your clutch, pay attention to the needle. It will suddenly drop at one point to a lower rpm level as you are releasing the clutch. Stop releasing the clutch at this point as this will more or less be the biting point. The time when the needle drops will also coincide with the drop in the revving sound volume. This is a more systematic way I feel, at least when I was an L-plate, for learner drivers.
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practice, practice, practice.
you'll get to it eventually..
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hahaa yes, the biting point differs from car to car anyway so the only advice that can be given is to get the "feel" of it.
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Originally posted by Subaru WRX:
ask ur instructor. they know the "feel" more.
That is if you understand your instructor. On my first ever lesson, i met this instructor, the english horrible! I didn't understand what was he teaching and i didn't get my biting point and kept stalling.
Then on my 2nd lesson, I met a MUCH better instructor, immediately got my biting point correct, no more stalling.
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Originally posted by alleggerita:
That is if you understand your instructor. On my first ever lesson, i met this instructor, the english horrible! I didn't understand what was he teaching and i didn't get my biting point and kept stalling.
Then on my 2nd lesson, I met a MUCH better instructor, immediately got my biting point correct, no more stalling.
Haha thanks guys, I managed to get it already. My instructor doesn't teach! Need to learn everything by myself, he just gives me direction and asks me to accelerate/break(I do the gear change by myself already). Hopefully can hear good news from me soon. Working on my U-turn and abit more on gear changing. I'm pretty smooth with gear changing compared to last time. U turn is still not too good. Sometimes over-steer onto another lane. -
U turn is easy, just keep a steady speed. Maintain your view towards a single point at the other side of the road..
As soon as your car is straightening..
Turn your steering.. Not too fast not to slow...
A few more tries and you will get the flow...
Just maintain a slow steady speed for your car... which means biting point is important.. =DDD.. have fun~
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two things which people always fail to mention.
1) make sure your seat is in a comfortable n close up position so you do not have to over stretch your legs to fully depress the clutch. with the cluch fully depressed, your knee shd b slightly bent n you have ease of movement by just angling your feet with your heel still on the floorboard.
2) foot wear. best to always wear the same shoes for all your lessons n test, personally i prefer flat based shoes with very thin sole so that i can 'feel' the pedals. diff soles will give you diff feel and if you keep changing your shoes youll nvr be able to get used to it.
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For learners, one thing very important about U-turning. Maintain a very slow speed. Don't care about the cars behind you and don't let them pressure you. Turn slowly and turn back your steering fast. But once you passed and have a little experience, you'll know that you can just release the steering a little and let it self-center back.
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haha now reading these threads make me think back bout my driving lessons then..
yeah..can still rem my first u turn ..so funny car cant go straight..cos i turn back steering too late
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I take a long time to find the biting point, roughly around 3 seconds. I believe its more on feel than on theory itself.
After a few lessons, the biting point will naturally come.
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Manual transmission, is all about feeling and intuition. If you are good at all, any car that you drive will not be a problem at all. I guess one reference point to gauge is the rpm sound. Step your accelerator until the tachnometer reads around 2500rpm before you release your clutch. Once that point is reached, step your acc further and gently while releasing the clutch slowly. The car should be able to move w/o any jitters.
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Originally posted by alleggerita:
But once you passed and have a little experience, you'll know that you can just release the steering a little and let it self-center back.
dont pass the bad habits to the P-platers leh...
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step on the accelerator more
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Originally posted by Xcert:
dont pass the bad habits to the P-platers leh...
This is not a bad habit, this is just natural instinct to make use of the steering's self-centering effect. Drive for long and you'll know a steering has self-centering effect.
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Release the clutch slowly while depressing a bit of e accelerator. Most important is release slowly.
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Originally posted by alleggerita:
This is not a bad habit, this is just natural instinct to make use of the steering's self-centering effect. Drive for long and you'll know a steering has self-centering effect.
I have my reservations on the natural instinct part...yes a steering has self-centering mechanics built-in...at least most of the cars do...but whether its a good idea to depend on it is a personal consideration.
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Originally posted by Xcert:
I have my reservations on the natural instinct part...yes a steering has self-centering mechanics built-in...at least most of the cars do...but whether its a good idea to depend on it is a personal consideration.
Of course you can depend on it, at least after you are experienced.
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Practice makes perfect..... so keep on practising and I believe that's the key to improvement.