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    19,950 posts since Nov '06
    • Read THESE first:

      1. Configurations are grouped accordingly to price range

      2. Targetted audience of configurations listed here are Home Users(eg. Home theatre, family pc, gaming rigs), if you are familiar with industrial grade servers, or commercial systems please feel free to add on.

      3. Prices are at an approximated range taken from simlim square pricelists, and will change consistently.

      4. Configurations shown are done for references, and may not be the best bang for the buck.

      5. Configurations are done and contributered by the regular people you see here.

      6. Double check compatability of parts before making a purchase.

      All system are without OS and MONITOR*


      Prices updated as of 8 October 2010

      Dear Moderators(jf you all are free), if you have a copy of the latest price, please feel free to help me update this post, im quite busy as school started

       

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      Budget System
      The parts listed here are hard to find 1st hand, mostly 2nd hand. Maybe you have some left over parts/ or have real financial problem. Prices are "1st hand" prices, meaning 2nd hand should be cheaper. Look around the marketplace for 2nd hand systems, as they may even run faster than this

      Intel Celeron C430 1.8Ghz + Biostar G31-M7 -------$110
      DDR2 Ram 1GB                                                          $  35
      250GB HDD/Any thing that runs                                 $  58
      Dvd WRiter / 2nd hand writer                                     $   30
      Casing with Powersupply                                            $  40
      Total                                                                               $273

      Basic System $300-$400
      Ideal for Word Processing, Internet surfing, Music, Office Administrating works.

      Intel Based

      Dual Core E5400 2.7ghz(800mhz,2mb)+Biostar G41 M7  ---- ~$154
      Kingston DDR2 800 2GB                                              ---- ~$  53
      Hitachi 500GB HDD 7200rpm/16m cache                      ---- ~$  53
      LG DVD Writer                                                          ---- ~$   35
      Normal casing With 450Watts PSU                             ----~$   50
      Total:                                                                             ~$ 345

      Please note that E5400 is an LGA775 socket processor, and they are reaching the End Of Life soon. However, not to worry, as long as you RETAIN THE ORIGINAL INTEL FAN, you still have a 3 years international warranty from the date of purchase.

       AMD Based

      AMD Athlon X2 250 2.8ghz + Asus M4N68T-M           ---- ~$182
      Kingston DDR3  1333 2GB                                               ---- ~$  55
      Hitachi 500GB HDD 7200rpm/16m cache                       ---- ~$ 53
      LG DVD Writer                                                           ---- ~$   35
      Normal casing With 450Watts PSU                             ----~$   50
      Total:                                                                             ~$ 375

      Budget Gaming Systems $500-$600
      Ideal for playing lastest mainstream games at normal settings(not for maxed out effects), and serve well as a family computer system.

      Intel Based

      E6500 2.93ghz(1066mhz,2mb) + Biostar G41-M7 ~$169
      Kingston 2GB DDR2 800mhz                                 ~$ 53
      Hitachi 500GB HDD 7200rpm/16m cache              ~$ 53
      LG DVD Writer                                                        ~$ 35
      Palit GTS240 512mb                                               ~$139
      Acbel E2 512w                                                          ~$ 75
      OR
      Coolermaster Extreme 500watts                         ~$75
      Headway Casing w/o PSU                                  ~$35

      Total                                                                        ~$559
      Please note that E5400 is an LGA775 socket processor, and they are reaching the End Of Life soon. However, not to worry, as long as you RETAIN THE ORIGINAL INTEL FAN, you still have a 3 years international warranty from the date of purchase.

      AMD Based

      AMD Athlon X2 250 3ghz + Asus M4A78L-MLE 780L ~$187
      Kingston 2GB DDR2 800mhz                                 ~$ 53
      Hitachi 500GB HDD 7200rpm/16m cache              ~$ 53
      LG DVD Writer                                                        ~$ 35
      Palit GTS240 512mb                                               ~$139
      Acbel E2 512w                                                          ~$ 75                        
      OR
      CoolerMaster Extreme Power 500watts                 ~$ 75
      Headway Casing w/o PSU                                  ~$35
      Total                                                                        ~$577

       

      Mainstream Gaming Systems $800-$1000
      A level above the budget Gaming systems, the configurations listed in this category are ideal for multitasking, or gamer who wants good frame rate with nice graphics, and perhaps a little overclock

      AMD Based

      Athlon x4 635 3ghz + Gigabyte MA770T-Ud3P ~$293
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 2x2gb                          ~$123
      Western Digital 1TB, 64mb HDD                       ~$ 87
      LG DVD Writer                                                   ~$ 35
      PowerColour 5670                                             ~$159
      Andyson F500 500 watts                                   ~$ 105
      Some nicer Casing                                            ~$80
      Total                                                                   ~$882

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                               +~$85

       

      Mainstream Gaming Systems $1000-$1200
      Configuration here have a graphics card that can produce a reasonable frame rate at a higher resolution in games.

       

      Intel Based

      Core i5 760 + GA H55M USB3.0                     ~$459
      Team Elite DDR3-1333                                  ~$123
      Western Digital 1TB, 64mb HDD                    ~$ 87
      LG DVD Writer                                               ~$35
      Andyson F500 500watts                                 ~$105
      Gigabyte GTX-460 786mb DDR5                  ~$289
      Casing                                                            ~$80
      Total                                                               ~$1178

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      AMD Based

      Athlon x4 630 3ghz + Gigabyte MA770T-Ud3P ~$293
      Team Elite DDR3-1333                                     ~$123
      Western Digital 1TB, 64mb HDD                     ~$ 87
      LG DVD Writer                                                   ~$ 35
      Gigabyte GTX-460 786mb DDR5                  ~$289
      Andyson F500 500 watts                                   ~$ 105
      Some nicer Casing                                            ~$80
      Total                                                                   ~$1012

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

      Mainstream Gaming Systems $1400-$1600
      Graphics card in this configuration supports DirectX 11.  Also, the setup here runs a little faster and have a bigger HDD

      Intel Based

      Core i5 760 + MSI P55 GD65                                   ~$506
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 2x2gb                                  ~$123

      Western Digital Carvier Green 2TB                            ~$155
      LG DVD Writer                                                           ~$35
      Seasonic M12ii 620w                                                 ~$135
      Sapphire 5850                                                           ~$409
      CM 690                                                                      ~$130
      Total                                                                          ~$1493

       

      AMD Based

      AMD Athlon Phenom X4 955 + GA M790FXTA-UD5  ~$496
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 2x2gb                                  ~$123

      Western Digital Carvier Green 2TB                            ~$155
      LG DVD Writer                                                           ~$35
      Seasonic M12ii 620w                                                 ~$135
      Sapphire 5850                                                           ~$409
      CM 690                                                                      ~$130
      Total                                                                          ~$1483

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

      High End Gaming Systems $1800-$1900
      Configurations below supports Direct X 11, able to run games fast at a high resolution, have a bigger PowerSupply Unit to support some overclock. If you are looking for a workstation system(video editing/photoshop/autocad), changing the Graphics card to a workstation graphics card(FireGL/Quadro) will do.

      Intel Based

      Core i7 860 + Asus P7P55D-E PRO USB3.0 ~$668
      Team Elite DDR3-1333                                     ~$123
      Western Digital Carvier Green 2TB                            ~$155
      DVD Writer                                        ~$   35
      MSI HD5870 1GB DDR5                 ~$ 599
      Antec True Power 650 Watts           ~$184
      NZXT M59 ATX Casing                    ~$100
      Total:                                                ~$1863


      AMD Based

      AMD Athlon Phenom X4 955 + MSI 790GX-GD65 ~$442
      Team Elite 2x2gb DDR3-1333                                ~$123
      Western Digital Carvier Green 2TB                            ~$155
      DVD Writer                                                                 ~$   35
      MSI HD5870 1GB DDR5                                          ~$599
      Antec True Power 650 Watts                                    ~$184
      CoolerMaster 690                                                       ~$129
      Total:                                                                          ~$1667

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      High End Gaming System $2000-$3000
      Computer here basically run applications/games very fast. 

      Intel Based 1

      Core I7 860 + Asus Maximum III Formula ~$808
      OCZ DDR3-1600                                      ~$169
      DVD Writer                                                ~$  35
      WesternD Black 2TB HDD BLACK       ~$232 
      Sapphire HD5870  Vapour X                     ~$649
      Antec True Power 650 Watts                      ~$184
      CoolerMaster RC-922 Casing                    ~$189
      Total                                                               ~$2266

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      Intel Based 2

      Core i7 930 + Gigabyte EX58A-UD3R ~$742
      Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 6gb(3x2gb)   ~$289
      DVD Writer                                               ~$35
      *Western Digital 2TB HDD    Green       ~$155
      Sapphire HD 5970 2GB DDR5             ~$879
      Corsair HX850 EPS 850watts              ~$285
      CoolerMaster HAF932 (FULLTOWER)  ~$239
      Total                                                             ~$2624
      *CHANGE TO WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK 2TB ADD $166

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

      High End Gaming Systems $3000-$3500
      Ideal for gaming/overclocking/benchmarking

      Intel Based

      Core i7 930 + Asus P6TD Deluxe                  ~$879
      Corsair Dominator 3x2gb (6gb) DDR3             ~$379
      DVD Writer                                                        ~$  35
      Western Digital Raptor(10k rpm) 150gb          ~$183
      *Western Digital 2TB HDD for storage Green  ~$155
      Sapphire HD 5970 2GB DDR5                      ~$879
      Corsair HX850 EPS 850watts                          ~$285
      CoolerMaster HAF 932  (FULLTOWER)          ~$289
      Total                                                                     ~$3084
      *CHANGE TO WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK 2TB @ $232

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      Enthusiat Gaming System $3500-$4000
      Combine what all the previous configurations can do, and this config can do it faster.
      Motherboard and powersupplies here are very powerful, and allows you to add an extra high end graphics card, overclocking.

      Intel Based

      Core i7 960 + EVGA X58 SLI Classified          ~$1520
      Corsair Dominator (3x2gb) 6GB DDR3            ~$ 379
      DVD Writer                                                        ~$   35
      Western Digital Raptor(10k rpm) 150GB          ~$195
      *Western D 2TB HDD Green for storage          ~$249
      Sapphire HD 5970 2GB DDR5             ~$879
      Corsair HX1000 1000 Watts                              ~$399
      CoolerMaster HAF932 (FULLTOWER)            ~$239
      Total:                                                                       ~$3895
      *
      CHANGE TO WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK 2TB ADD @$232

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      Enthusiat Gaming System $4000-$4500
      Beware of your electrical bills

      Intel Based

      Core i7 960 + EVGA X58 SLI Classified          ~$1520
      OCZ DDR3-2000 (3x2gb) 6GB            ~$489
      DVD Writer                                                            ~$35
      ^Western Digital Raptor(10k rpm) 300GB          ~$319
      WesternD 2TB HDD   Green                              ~$155
      Sapphire HD 5970 2GB DDR5                             ~$879
      Corsair HX1000 1000Watts                                ~$399
      CoolerMaster Sniper Storm  (FULLTOWER)    ~$259
      Total                                                                       ~$4000
      *
      CHANGE TO WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK 2TB @ $232
      ^Change to Intel X25V 40GB Solid State Drive,  @ $155.

      Add in a CoolerMaster V8                             +~$85

       

      Extreme Overclocker: $4500+-$5000+

      Core i7 980X + EVGA X58 SLI Classified ~$ lets say $2300, didnt see this yet
      OCZ DDR3-2000 (3x2gb) 6GB            ~$489
      DVD Writer                                                            ~$35
      ^Western Digital Raptor(10k rpm) 300GB          ~$319
      *WesternD 2TB HDD   Green                            ~$249
      Sapphire HD 5970 2GB DDR5             ~$879
      Corsair HX1000 1000Watts                                ~$399
      CoolerMaster Sniper Storm  (FULLTOWER)    ~$259
      Total                                                                       ~$4989
      *
      CHANGE TO WESTERN DIGITAL BLACK 2TB ADD $166
      ^Change to Intel X25V 40GB Solid State Drive,  MINUS $90.

       

      Extreme Overclocker's Rig $5000++


      Core i7 980x + Asus Rampage II Extreme ~$2122
      OR
      Core i7 980x + EVGA X58 SLI Classified ~$ lets say $2300, i didnt see this yet
      OCZ DDR3-2000(3x2gb) 6gb                     ~$489
      DVD Writer                                                    ~$  35
      Intel X25V 40gb Solid State Drive              ~$229
      Western Digital Carviar Black  2TB           ~$420
      2 x Sapphire HD5970                                  ~$1758
      OR
      2 x GTX 480 SLI                                           ~2 x $839
      Thermaltake ToughPower 1.5k watts        ~$464
      Lian Li ArmourSuit PC-80                          ~$649
      Total                                                               ~$6236

       

       Home Theatre PC

      MSI 785GM-E51 MATX board + Athlon II X2 250 -> $259
      2GB Kingston DDR3 1333MHz CL9 -                      $55
      WD Caviar Green 64MB 2TB -                                 $155
      DVD drive -                                                                $35
      Andyson SILENT 480W -                                           $70
      Integrated HD4200
      Casing : Cheap MATX Casings aapprox              ~  $125
      Total:                                                                      ~699


      Possible Casings: LianLi PC-C39 MUSE, LianLi PC-C37MUSE, LianLi PC-C34F, LianLi PC-C33MUSE, LianLi PC-V351, Lian Li PC-Q07

      Possible upgrades:

      CM Hyper 101 - $28
      Lite-On Bluray 8X internal - $219
      Creative X-Fi Xtreme Audio (Not really needed, since the onboard has pretty damn good SNR.) - $85

       

      Set-up should have enough beef for HD movies and the occasional game. I'm looking for a small low profile casing, so hold on there, unless you know what to use :P

       

      MiniITX PC

      Set-up 1: HTPC/Low-power system

      AMD Athlon II X2 240 - $86

      J&W Minix 785G 128M AM2+ - $279

      2x2GB DDR2 SO-DIMM - $130

      640GB WD Caviar Green 32MB - $87

      Apex MI-100 with PSU - $100-$150

      LG DVD Drive - $34

       

      MITX System 2: LAN Party

      AMD Athlon II X2 240 - $86

      J&W Minix 785G 128M - $279

      2x2GB DDR2 SO-DIMM $130

      1TB WD Caviar Green  64MB - $135

      Silverstone Sugo SG-06 - $190

      Sapphire HD5670 1GB - $149

      NEEDS SLIMLINE DVD DRIVE*

      Or just use an external drive.

       

      J&W MINIX 890GX - $369 from Commerztech

      AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W TDP - Special order (If money no issue then no issue lor)

      Or

      AMD Athlon X4 630/640

      2x2GB/2x4GB DDR3 1333MHz SO-DIMM

      2TB Western Digital Caviar Green

      Silverstone Sugo SG07B w/ 600W PSU- $369 from Niceday

      And depending on your needs,

      Anything from a GTX460 to a HD5970.

       

       Point Of Sales System
      System here is just a rough build of what a POS system requires, real POS system dont use motherboard that support crossfire, and they have additional cash drawer ports

      Celeron 1.8ghz with simple motherboard             $100
      64MB of ram                                                          $
        35 or lower
      HDD of 20GB or less                                             $ 50

       

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      Prices of Operating Systems and softwares
      Product prices are at an approx.

      Windows XP Home                                  $118
      Windows XP Professional  32bit            $199
      Windows XP Professional  64bit            $228

      Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit          $130
      Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit          $132
      Windows 7 Professional       32 bit         $186
      Windows 7 Professional       64 bit         $188
      Windows 7 Ultimate              32 bit         $276
      Windows 7 Ultimate              64 bit         $288

      Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Student  3User Pack     $175
      MIcrosoft Office 2010 Home and Business                         $245
      Microsoft Office 2010 Professional                                      $460
      Microsoft Office Basic   2007                                                $ 239
      Microsoft Office Small Business 2007                                 $ 390
      Microsoft Office Professional 2007                                      $ 419

      Avira AntiVirus AV10 1 User/ 3 Users                                          $27/$43
      Avira AntiVirus Internet Security 2010 1 User/ 3 User/ 5Users  $43/$72/$95
      Kaspersky Antivirus 1 User/3Users                                               $27/ $43
      Kaspersky Internet Security2010 1User/ 3User                           $57/ $72
      Norton Anti Virus 2009                                                                    $22
      Norton internet Security 2009                                                         $32
      Norton 360 Version 4.0                                                                   $116
      PC Tools Spyware Antivirus 3 Users                                            $28
      PC Tools Internet Security 3 Users                                                $38
      ESET NOD32 Antivirus 1User/2Users                                          $36/$45
      ESET Smart Security 4 1User/2Users/3Users/5Users               $36/$45/$51/$102

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      Troubleshooting when computer doesn't start

      Guide coming soon

      Motherboards

      Motherboard serves as the heart of the systems, linking everything together. If you aer just running a simple system, there is not a need to buy a very high end mobo. On

      Edited by MyPillowTalks 10 Oct `10, 3:51AM
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      Edited by LatecomerX 27 Mar `10, 3:14AM
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  • jonchao72's Avatar
    2,136 posts since Jan '05
    • for HDD i think western digital caviar black would be a better choice over seagate

      for the config for price range 4k-4.5k, drop the raptor for intel x-25 SSD

      for mobo, i think evga x58 classified would be a better choice coz of the fantastic customer support from the evga staff

      should throw in a cpu cooler for those higher-end rigs

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    MyPillowTalks's Avatar
    19,950 posts since Nov '06
    • Originally posted by jonchao72:

      for HDD i think western digital caviar black would be a better choice over seagate

      for the config for price range 4k-4.5k, drop the raptor for intel x-25 SSD

      for mobo, i think evga x58 classified would be a better choice coz of the fantastic customer support from the evga staff

      should throw in a cpu cooler for those higher-end rigs

      Changed the Western D Part, SSD is expensive, i'll try to see what i can do

      X58 Classified i am leaving to higher end rigs, also becos of the price

      I will add the CPU cooler in as an "Optional" Choice

       

  • jonchao72's Avatar
    2,136 posts since Jan '05
    • Originally posted by MyPillowTalks:

      Changed the Western D Part, SSD is expensive, i'll try to see what i can do

      X58 Classified i am leaving to higher end rigs, also becos of the price

      I will add the CPU cooler in as an "Optional" Choice

       

      the intel x-25 is about 400 bucks? the performance is also better than the raptor... so with that type of budget why not?

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    MyPillowTalks's Avatar
    19,950 posts since Nov '06
    • Originally posted by jonchao72:

      the intel x-25 is about 400 bucks? the performance is also better than the raptor... so with that type of budget why not?

      yea, i added it in.

  • SBS7484P's Avatar
    8,452 posts since Dec '07
    • add in cooling guide.

      i later go work type out and send to you ^^

      time to add in 20k rpm noisy as shit 40mm fans

    • CPU cooling:

      There are three main types of cooling - air cooling, water cooling and extreme cooling.

      For air cooling, it involves heatsinks (items which have large numbers of thin metal fins and copper pipes) and fans (things with blades that spin, make noise and move air). If you want your PC to run at its optimum performance, or to gain a larger overclock, you must ensure that your cooling is adequate.

      For starters, those looking for a small to medium overclock can look to the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ as a good alternative to stock CPU heatsinks.

      The Hyper 212+ is affordable, offers very good performance for the price, and is comparable against high-end heatsinks. The Hyper 212+ in stock form is already good enough to cool an un-overclocked CPU. However, those chasing an overlcock are advised to swap out the stock fan for a higher-powered fan. Those who don't like the noise of a high-powered fan can opt to purchase two silent fans and configure the heatsink in push-pull, which means one fan pushing air into the heatsink and another pulling air out from it.

      Those looking for extreme overclocks will want to look to even larger and more expensive heatsinks.

      These include the Prolimatech Megahalems (sometimes called Mega Shadow if referring to the black coated version), ThermalRight Ultra-Extreme 120 (regular or Copper), ThermalRight Venomous-X and the Noctua NH-D14.

      These high-performance heatsinks lets you take the most advantage of whichever fan you place on them. Because of their excellent ability to dissipate heat quickly, you can see large benefits from using quieter fans on these heatsinks in order to acheive your overclock.

      If you want to push for more, the same rules apply here - more powerful fans or get another fan and push-pull that beast.

       

      Water cooling:

      Water cooling is a term to describe a cooling loop made out of waterblock(s), pump(s), radiator(s) and a reservoir. The contents of the liquid in a watercooled system are usually distilled water, propylene glycol and some antifreeze and anti-algae chemicals.

      Sounds very complicated, but actually it isn't.

      Some pre-built closed loop watercooling systems are available for purchase at stores around sim lim.

      The most popular would be the Corsair H50. It is made out of a pump attached to a CPU waterblock which you mount directly on your CPU, and a small 120mm radiator that you mount on your casing along with a fan to push air to cool the water flowing through it.

      Closed loop coolers like these have performance comparable to top-end air coolers like the Megahalems and are also priced competively.

      If you want to push for higher clocks then you can assemble your very own watercooling loop.

      For example, a Heatkiller 3.0LT CPU waterblock with a PA120.2 radiator, EKWB graphics card waterblock and a small reservoir will suffice to cool your system nicely.

      Of course, to cool the water flowing thru the radiator, a fan must be used to move air.

      There are a wide selection of fans and as usual the same rules apply.

      One silent fan for regular use, one high performance fan for extreme overclocking or two silent fans in push-pull.

       

      Extreme cooling:

      There are two sub groups in extreme cooling. The first being Liquid Nitrogen cooling and the second being Phase Change cooling.

      Both are very expensive and complicated enthusiast hobbies, and if done wrongly may cause harm to your system. Therefore, they will not be explained here.

       

       

       

       

      Edited by SBS7484P 31 Mar `10, 7:59AM
    • Case cooling

      I will now touch on fans and case cooling.

      Firstly, case cooling.

      There are three types of case cooling - negative pressure, positive pressure, and balanced.

      Negative pressure: This means that you have more fans sucking hot air out from your casing than fans pushing air into your casing.
      For certain casing like CM HAF 932, the design is highly biased toward negative pressure, so you will see better temperatures if you use negative pressure cooling.

      The drawbacks toward negative cooling though is that it allows cool air to be sucked in from crevices and holes all around the computer, which leads to dust being sucked in as well, and as such, a dusty computer.

       

      Positive pressure: This is when you have more fans pushing cool air into your casing than fans sucking out hot air.

      The advantage of this compared to negative cooling is that you can really reduce the amount of dust entering your casing.

      This is called positve pressure because the pressure inside the casing is higher than the surrounding, and air is being constantly forced out of the holes in the case by the large amount of intake fans. Therefore, if filters are installed on the fans in this type of setup, it really helps to reduce the amount of dust entering the PC.

       

      Balanced:

      This is when you have an equal amount of air being pushed in and sucked out.

      Note that equal amount of air, not equal amount of fans. 2 strong fans pushing in and 2 weak fans exhausting does not justify balance.

      Most overclockers prefer this cooling setup. This is because the cool air that is pushed in and past hot components becomes hot air, and this equal amount of hot air is being exhausted.

      So this ensures an even flow of cool air into the casing and heat leaving the casing.

       

       

       

       

       

      How to position fans?

      Most computer casings will have mounts in the front and rear for fans.

      The most regular setup will be that fans mounted in front will do intake duties and fans mounted at the back will do exhaust duties.

       

      What if my casing is like some Antec ones, they have fans in the middle of the casing!?

      Then that fan should be oriented in a way that does not disrupt the airflow.

      Like this:

      hot air <  rear exhaust fan <<<<   middle fan    <<<<<<   front intake fan   < cool air

       

       

      What if my casing is like some CoolerMaster ones which have fans on the side panel?

      Depending on where the fans will be placed, either put a fan there or remove it.

      Side panel fans mostly interfere with your airflow if you are air-cooling your cpu, making your temps rise.

      If the casing has a slot for a single fan pointing toward the graphic card area, configure it as an intake so it can have cool air blow toward your graphics card.

      Especially if you have a HTPC using a passively cooled graphics card, you will see the need for a side fan.

       

       

       

       

      So how do I know which side of the fan intakes and exhausts?

      Simple.

       

      This is the front of a Nidec BetaV TA350DC fan. The front usually has a sticker stating the brand, model and power specifications of the fan. In this case, 12V 1.35A

      The fan sucks in air from the rear and blows it out of the front.

      Now this is what the rear of the fan looks like. This is a Noctua fan mounted on a Noctua CPU heatsink, the NH-D9.

      Note that on most fans, the rear of the fan does not have a sticker.

      In the rare event that the fan has a stiker on both sides, how?

      Very simple. Spin the blades lightly while looking at both sides. The front of the fan holds the motor attachment and when spun, you should NOT see the sticker spinning. The other sticker spinning will be the rear of the fan.

       

      Always remember that air will be sucked in from the back of the fan (non sticker side) and pushed out from the stickered side.

      Edited by SBS7484P 31 Mar `10, 8:20AM
    • Fans come in many varieties.

      In this part, I will touch on the different technologies used in fans, and what is the most suitable application for such fans.

      1) Sleeve Bearing

      This is easily the cheapest type of fan around. The shaft rotates in a porous brass or copper sleeve that is filled with oil.

      Advantages: Sleeve bearing fans are mostly shock resistant. This means they can withstand shock well without developing weird sounds or vibration. Sleeve bearing fans are also more quiet that other fans. So if silence is a priority, get sleeve bearing fans in your case.

      Disadvantages: Sleeve bearing fans perform the best when mounted upright. Horizontal mounting e.g. blowing out the top of your case causes wear and tear to the bearing because it cannot support the weight of the fan assembly on it. As such, life is greatly reduced when mounted in any other position other than upright. The best example to see this is from the CoolerMaster R4. It is an excellent case fan - well built, quiet, airy and affordable. But once you turn the fan and make it fire upwards, it vibrates really hard. Put it upright again and it stops vibrating. This shows that improper mounting is detrimental to sleeve bearing fans.

      Secondly, sleeve bearing fans do not bode well with heat. As such, they are more suited to case fan operations instead of being mounted on heatsinks.

      How does a SB fan die:

      SB fans show no signs of death. They come and go quietly. They make no noises - just stop suddenly when they decide to die.

      Some good sleeve bearing fans: Yate Loon DxxSy-12 (xx = size of fan. 80 = 80mm, 12 = 120mm. y = speed, L=low speed, M=mid speed, H=high speed) , CoolerMaster R4, ebmPapst modified sleeve bearing fans, Sunon, AVC

      2) Ball bearing:

      This is a common type of fan found in high performance, high uptime systems. The fan shaft runs in a bearing filled with in-line symmetrical metal balls and is oiled.

      Advantages: Can take heat well, and runs well in any mounting position. Very long lasting if properly maintained

      Disadvantages: Noisy, and more expensive than sleeve bearing fans. If ticking and idling noises like those from an engine annoy you, these aren't the fans for you. Certain ball bearing fans can be quiet, but most tick really loudly when run at low speed, and scream when run at high speed.

      How does a BB fan die:

      The noise it makes gets louder and weirder each day, and performance gradually degrades until it finally stops working.

      Good ball bearing fans:
      Basically anything from reputable fan makers.
      To name some: ebmPapst, Nidec, Delta, AVC, JMC Datech, Sunon

       

      3) Hydraulic bearing

      Hydraulic bearing is basically a modified version of the sleeve bearing.

      It is basically a fan shaft turning in a sealed chamber bearing made of oil.

      These are supposedly very silent, but some are quite noisy

      Advantages: Quiet (in most cases), and combine the long lifespan of ball bearing fans. Can take high heat like BB fans.

      Disadvantages: Expensive, and not readily available. Some are really noisy, like AVC's hydraulic bearing fans. They scream quite loudly.

      How does a HB fan die:

      Just like an SB fan it does not exhibit any symptoms. It just stops and dies.

      Good hydraulic bearing fans: Scythe S-Flex series, AVC high performance ones (very loud).

      Remarks: HB fans from Scythe use a bearing developed by Sony dubbed the S-FDB (Sony Fluid Dynamic Bearing)

       

      Other unique types of fan bearing:

      MagLev bearing by SUNON

      YS Tech TMD fan (Tip Magnetic Drive, not tamade :D)

      Those I will explain in depth in time to come.

      Meanwhile I need to sleep.

      Edited by SBS7484P 01 Apr `10, 10:30AM
  • Xaxas's Avatar
    18 posts since Jan '08
    • I have a monitor with HDMI, does it have any compatibility with Gigabyte HD4870 1GB DDR5 HDMI - $295 if i were to get it ?

      If i were to get Windows 7 home 23-bit, is it reQuired to have 4GB in order to run this os ?

  • jonchao72's Avatar
    2,136 posts since Jan '05
    • Originally posted by Xaxas:

      I have a monitor with HDMI, does it have any compatibility with Gigabyte HD4870 1GB DDR5 HDMI - $295 if i were to get it ?

      If i were to get Windows 7 home 23-bit, is it reQuired to have 4GB in order to run this os ?

      i'd get a HD 5770 VAPOR-X at 279 if i were you

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    kenn3th's Avatar
    21,927 posts since Nov '06
    • Originally posted by Xaxas:

      I have a monitor with HDMI, does it have any compatibility with Gigabyte HD4870 1GB DDR5 HDMI - $295 if i were to get it ?

      If i were to get Windows 7 home 23-bit, is it reQuired to have 4GB in order to run this os ?

      The graphics card should not have any problems with the monitor. That said, if it has issues, just connect it to the VGA port of the Monitor. 

      It's not required to have 4GB to run the 32bit Windows 7 Home premium. 2GB -- 3GB is suffice

       

      Edited by kenn3th 31 Mar `10, 11:07PM
  • Call4ljw's Avatar
    1,236 posts since May '08
    • It is possible to create a high end fast PC for those with a budget.(2-3k)

      But the price list i have is more than a month old, if not i would list it out.

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    19,950 posts since Nov '06
  • Raraken's Avatar
    2,042 posts since Jun '06
    • What about a gaming only PC, where fast FPS is more important than general performance? 

       

      Just chuck in a HD5970 in lieu of the HD5870 and swap PSU to a HX850 for the $1.8k AMD system and you can get extreme gaming performance (But not really general computing performance) for about the same as the $2.3k Intel system. This only applies to people who do nothing but game on their systems.

  • Call4ljw's Avatar
    1,236 posts since May '08
  • jonchao72's Avatar
    2,136 posts since Jan '05
    • Originally posted by Call4ljw:

      bellsystem isn't exactly the cheapest.

      At sim lim, i have never bought an item from bell before.

      Anyway, i'll give it a try.

       

      UPCOMING....

      buy from pcthemes lor... good service plus competitive pricing

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    19,950 posts since Nov '06
    • Originally posted by Call4ljw:

      bellsystem isn't exactly the cheapest.

      At sim lim, i have never bought an item from bell before.

      Anyway, i'll give it a try.

       

      UPCOMING....

      The pricelist for reference only, im too lazy to find other shops one icon_lol.gif

       

  • Call4ljw's Avatar
    1,236 posts since May '08
    • ASUS P7P55D LE + i5 750    ~ 517
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 1x3gb ~ 99
      Intel x25V 40GB SSD                ~ 219
      PowerColor HD5850 PCS       ~ 419
      CM Silent ProM 600W              ~ 159
      NZXT beta evo                           ~ 83
      Total                                             ~ 1496 (even lower than my previous,Cheers!)

      Note: This is all at bare minimum for those with a budget but don't want to sacrifice much quality. Those with a bigger pocket need not follow this, Cheers!
      I'm not familiar with PSU and casing so i just put down the ones that i think should work out.
      *For those who don't do storage, 40GB really is more than enough.

      Edited by Call4ljw 09 Apr `10, 9:23PM
  • jonchao72's Avatar
    2,136 posts since Jan '05
    • Originally posted by Call4ljw:

      Core i7 930 + ASUS P6T-SE ~ 775
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 1×3gb ~ 99
      Intel x25V 40GB SSD* ~ 219
      PowerColor HD5750 PCS* ~ 209
      CM ExtremePower plus 550W ~ 79
      CM690 ~ 119
      Total ~ 1500

      Note: This is all at bare minimum for those with a budget but don’t want to sacrifice much quality. Those with a bigger pocket need not follow this, Cheers!
      I’m not familiar with PSU and casing so i just put down the ones that i think should work out.

      For those who don’t do storage, 40GB really is more than enough.

      **Change to PowerColor 5830 PCS. Add $170. Change to Cooler Master Silent ProM 600W. Add $80.

      Comments welcomed!

      err i think this rig is FAIL

      firstly, with a budget of 1.5k, there is no point pushing for a i7-930, go for a i5-750 instead (or AMD... lol)

      secondly, an ssd would also be extravagant for this type of budget and people dont usually use an ssd for OS and storage at the same time (40GB? err....)

      if this rig is meant for gaming, a HD5750 will be a no-go imo, cut back on the other parts and throw in a HD5770 or 5850

      CM extremepower can be changed for andyson or enermax psu...

      why buy cm690 (i bought it and i felt it was a mistake), get NZXT beta evo... nicer, better airflow plus it costs less than 100 bucks

      these are my honest opinions

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    21,927 posts since Nov '06
    • Originally posted by Call4ljw:

      Core i7 930 + ASUS P6T-SE ~ 775
      Team Elite DDR3-1333 1×3gb ~ 99
      Intel x25V 40GB SSD* ~ 219
      PowerColor HD5750 PCS* ~ 209
      CM ExtremePower plus 550W ~ 79
      CM690 ~ 119
      Total ~ 1500

      Note: This is all at bare minimum for those with a budget but don’t want to sacrifice much quality. Those with a bigger pocket need not follow this, Cheers!
      I’m not familiar with PSU and casing so i just put down the ones that i think should work out.

      For those who don’t do storage, 40GB really is more than enough.

      **Change to PowerColor 5830 PCS. Add $170. Change to Cooler Master Silent ProM 600W. Add $80.

      Comments welcomed!

      I believe that the price of the SSD does not justify the performance that the SSD gives. For $100+ less I will get a 640GB WD black that has lower performance, no doubt, but bang for buck performance.

      The cost / GB justifies it's performance.  If it's my gaming PC, I do not wish to sacrifice storage space for my games, COD MW2 can take up to 10GB or more on your hard disk, and for gamings like myself, I do have expansion packs,  and more than 2 games in my system.

      There has to be a balance in the system.

      It's hard.  A good processor cannot make up for a  bad graphics card and a good graphics card cannot make up for a bad processor.

      I find having i7 for this price range is an overkill, especially using a newly released i7 930. Newly released items are generally priced more expensive due to low production rates.

      I will go one that's bang for buck. Like the i3 530.

      Newer doesn't mean better

      Edit: Grammer mistakes

      Edited by kenn3th 08 Apr `10, 11:29PM
  • Call4ljw's Avatar
    1,236 posts since May '08
    • Originally posted by jonchao72:

      err i think this rig is FAIL

      firstly, with a budget of 1.5k, there is no point pushing for a i7-930, go for a i5-750 instead (or AMD... lol)

      secondly, an ssd would also be extravagant for this type of budget and people dont usually use an ssd for OS and storage at the same time (40GB? err....)

      if this rig is meant for gaming, a HD5750 will be a no-go imo, cut back on the other parts and throw in a HD5770 or 5850

      CM extremepower can be changed for andyson or enermax psu...

      why buy cm690 (i bought it and i felt it was a mistake), get NZXT beta evo... nicer, better airflow plus it costs less than 100 bucks

      these are my honest opinions

      1)an i7 930 is the best deal for CPU speed.

      2)SSD is for speed. I did mention only for those who don't do storage. I myself use only 22GB including OS, so why not? For gaming, best is with SSD. (quoted as per below)

      "Quoted from kenn3th:

      Shouldnt go into much details here. Just to note that while building a pc, the most essential component would be - the hard disk.

      Without it, everything is useless - regardless of how good your specs are."

       

      Besides, there is the Intel X25-m 80GB.

       

      3)Regarding Graphics card, i did mention changing to 5830 at the bottom.(for those with budget of course)


      4) As i mentioned, i'm "new" to PSU and casing so do forgive me.

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    19,950 posts since Nov '06
    • I think what kenneth means is price does not justify performance, maybe not worth the price. 

      I have not used SSD before, but i think the diff will be loading time,

      and maybe people buying a rig in this price range may not be that willing to spend for SSD, imo

      Those who want to use ssd are richer people who use their rig for pure gaming only, and the rigs are mostly expensive and wont be in 1.5k range, maybe 3k etc. Or they have extra cash to see how much it will load and transfer things faster

      But no harm putting in the SSD, the most just spend a few more dollars and add in a hdd for storage

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