hokkien in singapore
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im 17 and i had an epiphany. having been born and bred in an english environment studying in elitist english primary-secondary-jc schools where at most one person in my class besides myself listened to chinese music, i, one day after watching a random taiwanese variety show in which they spoke abit of taiwanese, suddenly realised how little i was exposed to the Singaporean dialects i should have learnt in my childhood if not for a certain LKY. Thus began my journey to learn hokkien (im half hainanese and half hokkien but nobody speaks hainanese...) I managed to stuff myself with over a hundred taiwanese songs and dramas on youtube to the point where i am currently actually proficient in speaking and reading TAIWANESE. therefore i am hoping to learn singaporean hokkien and would wish to know where i could enroll in such courses in Singapore. Thanks to anyone who can help, understanding my plight of searching for my roots.
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Haha same here. I learnt over TVB dramas though :)
I guess a grandparent would be a good place to start?
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find friends who speak hokkien. than you will learn.
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me now can speak å�°è¯ bery well bcos i watched 386 ep of 爱...
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Originally posted by FireIce:
me now can speak å�°è¯ bery well bcos i watched 386 ep of 爱...
wtf.yay. now you can speak it with your friends.
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problem here is my entire school except the china scholars are seriously anti-chinese and due to my upbringing, my entire social circle as well so theres no hope there. My dad can't speak chinese (for some reason my grandparents made all their children learn malay and didnt teach them chinese or dialect) and my mom and her entire family speaks hainanese which i can understand but cant speak and is completely irrelevant to my hokkien learning... i seriously envy those people who have parents who can teach them dialect but simply dont cos of LKY and his infatuation with the english and now mandarin language, on the other hand theres ppl like me who want to learn but simply cant unless seeking external help...
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singapore hokkien is not totally the same as taiwan. got abit of malay also. but languages no matteer wad, is to communicate with each other, as long as u understand each other should be ok.
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u checked with �建会馆?
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wazzat?
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Originally posted by Ap0cAlySm:
wazzat?
to get into one of those 'elitist' schools, you must be quite bright. i'll give you a little help with this: http://www.nciku.com/
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www.shhk.com.sg
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i learnt taiwanese cos firstly u cant find any singapore hokkien material anymore because of you know who and secondly taiwanese is mainly similar to hokkien so thats where i could actually start learning by reading subtitles, after all i was starting completely from scratch and it was good for the basics i suppose. and yeah i watched æ„› and the infamous æ„�難忘 on the way i learnt ç¹�é«”å— as well
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Originally posted by skythewood:
yay. now you can speak it with your friends.
yeah yeah
i hope i can speak it with Joe Cheng ^_^ -
these are the hokkien linguistics tools i have on hand, i list it out for u, u use it as a reference guide to find the path towards your goal
ã€–æ–°åŠ å�¡é—½å�—è¯�ä¿—è¯æŒè°£é€‰ã€—- 周长楫，周清海
～ 478 pages. Requires strong proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. Provides idioms, proverbs, poems, recitations in Singapore Hokkien
ã€–æ–°åŠ å�¡é—½å�—è¯�概说〗- 周长楫，周清海
～ 239 pages. Requires average proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. Provides overview on all aspects of Singapore Hokkien
〖闽å�—方言è¯æ³•ç ”究〗- æ�Žå¦‚é¾™
～ 254 pages. Requires minimal proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. A compilation of research papers published on linguistics journals on grammar of Hokkien by the author
〖厦门方言志〗- è°é‚¦å�›ï¼Œæ�Žç†™æ³°ï¼Œä½•å¿—ä¼Ÿï¼Œè©¹é¾™æ ‡ï¼Œçºªäºšæœ¨
～ 196 pages. Requires strong proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. A comprehensive book covering pronunciation of almost all frequently used characters, a presentable vocabulary lists, aspects of grammar of Xiamen (Amoy) Hokkien
〖闽��800�〗- 周长楫，黄�
～ 174 pages and a CD-ROM. Requires minimal proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. Provides 800 verses of conversation in Hokkien with notes
〖闽å�—è¯�å�£è¯ã€—- æž—å®�å�¿
～ 117 pages and 2 cassette tapes. No phonetic alphabet rendered. Provides conversations in near-ZhangZhou accented Hokkien with notes
〖闽�方言常用��典〗- 周长楫
～ 616 pages and a CD-ROM. Requires strong proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. A pocket-sized Hokkien dictionary which is the sized down version of 闽�方言大�典. Covers the 3 regional varieties, which is Xiamen (Amoy), QuanZhou (ChuanChiu) and ZhangZhou (ChiangChiu)
〖厦门方言�典〗- 周长楫
～ 528 pages. Requires strong proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. A book-sized Hokkien dictionary covering the Xiamen (Amoy) variety
〖闽�方言大�典〗- 周长楫
～ 1344 pages. Requires strong proficiency to read International Phonetic Alphabet. A full-fleged gigantic-sized Hokkien dictionary that covers the 3 regional varieties, which is Xiamen (Amoy), QuanZhou (ChuanChiu) and ZhangZhou (ChiangChiu) with notes on Taiwanese Hokkien and grammatical notes
〖A Practical English-Hokkien Dictionary〗- Chiang Ker Chiu
～ 98 pages. Requires strong proficiency to read it's own devised Phonetic Alphabet system. A comprehensive list of vocabulary in Xiamen (Amoy) variety in English-Hokkien
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im 爱 fan....... sort of.......
hahahahaha
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to get into one of those 'elitist' schools, you must be quite bright. i'll give you a little help with this: http://www.nciku.com/
i appreciate the goodwill but i dont think it is a suitable site for learning hokkien
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U go army and speak to those warrant officer la. I think they will be happy to speak hokkient to u...
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omg... bangulzai ur like a hokkien guru!!! but where can i find these resources?
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Originally posted by Ap0cAlySm:
problem here is my entire school except the china scholars are seriously anti-chinese and due to my upbringing, my entire social circle as well so theres no hope there. My dad can't speak chinese (for some reason my grandparents made all their children learn malay and didnt teach them chinese or dialect) and my mom and her entire family speaks hainanese which i can understand but cant speak and is completely irrelevant to my hokkien learning... i seriously envy those people who have parents who can teach them dialect but simply dont cos of LKY and his infatuation with the english and now mandarin language, on the other hand theres ppl like me who want to learn but simply cant unless seeking external help...
"her entire family speaks hainanese which i can understand but cant speak and is completely irrelevant to my hokkien learning"wrong, because u haf not put in more effort to decipher what they talking about
hainanese evolved in a straight route from FuZhou -> PuTian -> QuanZhou -> XiaMen -> ZhangZhou -> ChaoZhou -> LeiZhou -> HaiNan
all are related, and when one speaks both Hainanese and Hokkien together, it helps each other out and strengthens both
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Originally posted by Ap0cAlySm:
im 17 and i had an epiphany. having been born and bred in an english environment studying in elitist english primary-secondary-jc schools where at most one person in my class besides myself listened to chinese music, i, one day after watching a random taiwanese variety show in which they spoke abit of taiwanese, suddenly realised how little i was exposed to the Singaporean dialects i should have learnt in my childhood if not for a certain LKY. Thus began my journey to learn hokkien (im half hainanese and half hokkien but nobody speaks hainanese...) I managed to stuff myself with over a hundred taiwanese songs and dramas on youtube to the point where i am currently actually proficient in speaking and reading TAIWANESE. therefore i am hoping to learn singaporean hokkien and would wish to know where i could enroll in such courses in Singapore. Thanks to anyone who can help, understanding my plight of searching for my roots.
yo ican only speak taiwanese untill i am 7 years old
lai lai i pm u my msn
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Originally posted by Ap0cAlySm:
omg... bangulzai ur like a hokkien guru!!! but where can i find these resources?
sadly to sayu haf to buy
because these are too precious for me
i can't lend it out as either they are not published anymore and they are realli rare and expensive
but i haf started a thread to share my resources where i will post as and when i like !
look at here ! > http://sgforums.com/forums/2029/topics/355579
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btw, is u from AC?
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Originally posted by FireIce:
me now can speak å�°è¯ bery well bcos i watched 386 ep of 爱...
wtf. like that niai watch 500+ episode of yi nan wang
179 episode of zhen qing man tian xia
currently 100+ episode of ai
200+ episode of taiwan pi li huo
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Originally posted by youyayu: like that nia
i watch 500+ episode of yi nan wang
179 episode of zhen qing man tian xia
currently 100+ episode of ai
200+ episode of taiwan pi li huo
wtf
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The primary use of a language is communication. If you learn hokkien, but no one speak hokkien with you... why?
Get friend's who speak hokkien, or help out at old folk's home, there are elders there who speak hokkien. That should help.