Why overseas chinese thrive
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Just like the chinese from china entering Singapore today, they were very much like our ancestors. Our forefathers first went abroad following the trading routes of Cheng Ho, then during the late Qing dynasty, sailed abroad to escape hardships. And of course when Mao came to power, they fled to escape the oppression of the cultural revolution. And here I am talking about the entire South East Asia, not just Singapore.
Why did they succeed? Why are there so many successful chinese businessmen in SEA? I think they key is simple. They ventured abroad knowing it's no paradise out there but a lot of toil and sweat. Once they are there, they don't sit on their laurels, not even after succeeding. That's why you see in many countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand etc.....the chinese call the shots on the economy.
You'll be surprised when you visit any small town in Indonesia and more often than not, the Chinese boss is always sitting in the background and the workers, at the counter.
The china nationals who enter singapore today will one day overtake us too....the way immigration policies are going and our Total Fertility Rate at an all time low (expect it to only go lower). That's because they come from an environment of worse hardship than us and are much hungrier to succeed.
Below is a list of those successful overseas Chinese in SEA: No prizes for guessing who's the first chap :)
Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore)
Ferdinand Marcos (Phillipines)
In a speech before the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry, Inc. (FFCCCII) in 1966, he remarked: "I have Chinese blood in me...I am not ashamed to admit that perhaps the great leaders of our country all have Chinese blood."
Thaksin Shinawatra (Thailand)
Thaksin's great-grandfather Seng Sae Khu (surname 丘）was a Hakka Chinese immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong who arrived in Siam in the 1860s and settled in Chiang Mai in 1908. His eldest son, Chiang Sae Khu, was born in Chanthaburi in 1890 and married a Thai woman, called Saeng Somna. Chiang's eldest son, Sak, adopted the Thai surname Shinawatra ("does good routinely") in 1938 because of the country's anti-Chinese movement and the rest of the family also adopted it.
Liem Seeng Tee (Indonesia)
The Sampoerna cigarettes you smoke now are founded by him. Smokers should know.
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Lim Goh Tong (Malaysia)
Founder of Genting Highlands.
Yap Ah Loy (Malaysia)
If you all think Kuala Lumpur is the bustling city it is today due solely to the origins of local natives, then you can't be more wrong. This person is the father of modern KL.
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the businessmen of old are really something.........
Thaksin and LKY are Zionist puppets so they'll attain success whatever field they're in......
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they over take singapaore?no way. singapore will sink one day. that should be the way. sea lvls are increasing.
at the same time, my pocket is not growing
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All cheat others and take their money. What is the use willing to succeed if they do it in immoral ways.
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Originally posted by Siliconchip:
All cheat others and take their money. What is the use willing to succeed if they do it in immoral ways.
that is a looser response.
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araphoe......u mean if i sold weapons to africa helped genocides to happen and made millions miserable and became a millionaire i would be a winner??!!! its the principle...civilisation in which u belong to.....if yer civilisation is to do nothing and depend on others hardwerk mainly then whats the difference between them and columbian drug lords or worse???their gentle touch perhaps??.its at the expense of many decent people in the end.
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This people are all crooks except for Yap Ah Loy (Malaysia)<dont know who he is.
The chinese to me, has been drilled in Studies and Money Since the Ying and Yang Times, As for the Indians and Malays the culture is more of way of life and not so much about money and studies, And you can see this in Schools and your Neighbourhood, Malays/indians like the Community lifestyle, Thats why they refer to their nieghbourhood as a Kampong and like hanging out.
The chinese culture is more money driven, You pray for money and you like to show money.. Etc.. Cars, gadgets going out to nice restaurants, and to get this, there has to be a drive to earn more money, As for the other races, Beauty of your home and Kin-ship and friendship is more important and you have to be happy and Thank ful for the money you earn, Whichever amount that is..
But end of the Day, What ever race you may be, You are being judged Indivudually and not on a Community level, So who you want to be is all within your own powers and drive to succeed, sometimes with abit of string pulling.
Anyways, This is all I.M.O, If L.k.y can give his 2cent worth, So can I.
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hmmmm.....all crooks???!!!they deal with other peoples $$$$ n took all of their $$$$$ away or lost most of it against everyones wish?!!! maybe if they werent so successful initially they would have less luck with the people that voted them in in 1960s. just like the emperors of china who took peoples lives and threw it away or wasted them so they might reap great profits beyond anyones greatest imagination while the rest suffered .... hmm....as long as one man holds the power like marcos or shinawatra...the whole lot of educated degreed or diploma or o level people are condemned to eternity...probably much worse than an illiterate vietnamese butcher.then these controlled people have no hope forever even wishing n having lucky amulets n seeking fengshui?mebbe good as crap according to lee kuan you and should get swift kick to the abs or buttocks with spurs on their hides too..... why bother celebrating chinese new year????hope luck bless them for a better future????a future in spore???ya all have no choice...why?ya all too scared n PRETEND its ok.....ya tough n ypu can take all of the crap he forces down yer throats till 2 decadesz later....the bitterness he forced down all yer throsts will last a couplea of decades.....u all wanna know u can still take it all while eating laksa for dinnerr at age 80?
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if sporeans were really serious about their situation...at least a few thousand would be outside lky house demanding stuff outa him.
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tells me that no sporeans want to survive after 2030.....cept be a cleaner at changi airport.but that position has already been filled up by china meimei from what i saw last year at changi airport. now what?clean yer own toilet??free of charge...no one pays u.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Just like the chinese from china entering Singapore today, they were very much like our ancestors. Our forefathers first went abroad following the trading routes of Cheng Ho, then during the late Qing dynasty, sailed abroad to escape hardships. And of course when Mao came to power, they fled to escape the oppression of the cultural revolution. And here I am talking about the entire South East Asia, not just Singapore.
Why did they succeed? Why are there so many successful chinese businessmen in SEA? I think they key is simple. They ventured abroad knowing it's no paradise out there but a lot of toil and sweat. Once they are there, they don't sit on their laurels, not even after succeeding. That's why you see in many countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand etc.....the chinese call the shots on the economy.
You'll be surprised when you visit any small town in Indonesia and more often than not, the Chinese boss is always sitting in the background and the workers, at the counter.
The china nationals who enter singapore today will one day overtake us too....the way immigration policies are going and our Total Fertility Rate at an all time low (expect it to only go lower). That's because they come from an environment of worse hardship than us and are much hungrier to succeed.
Below is a list of those successful overseas Chinese in SEA: No prizes for guessing who's the first chap :)
Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore)
Ferdinand Marcos (Phillipines)
In a speech before the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry, Inc. (FFCCCII) in 1966, he remarked: "I have Chinese blood in me...I am not ashamed to admit that perhaps the great leaders of our country all have Chinese blood."
Thaksin Shinawatra (Thailand)
Thaksin's great-grandfather Seng Sae Khu (surname 丘）was a Hakka Chinese immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong who arrived in Siam in the 1860s and settled in Chiang Mai in 1908. His eldest son, Chiang Sae Khu, was born in Chanthaburi in 1890 and married a Thai woman, called Saeng Somna. Chiang's eldest son, Sak, adopted the Thai surname Shinawatra ("does good routinely") in 1938 because of the country's anti-Chinese movement and the rest of the family also adopted it.
Liem Seeng Tee (Indonesia)
The Sampoerna cigarettes you smoke now are founded by him. Smokers should know.
FUCK YOU NIGGA!!!!! -
If you look at it from another angle, a lot of rich chinese are crooks in sheep's clothing. Can't be helped...it is many times a way of survival.
I know of this super rich overseas chinese, he converted to islam so as to stay in the good books of the country's leader. Visits to his home would show myriad pictures of him posing with powerful figures in his country. Cool or not :)
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
If you look at it from another angle, a lot of rich chinese are crooks in sheep's clothing. Can't be helped...it is many times a way of survival.
I know of this super rich overseas chinese, he converted to islam so as to stay in the good books of the country's leader. Visits to his home would show myriad pictures of him posing with powerful figures in his country. Cool or not :)
fuck ya nigga -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
If you look at it from another angle, a lot of rich chinese are crooks in sheep's clothing. Can't be helped...it is many times a way of survival.
I know of this super rich overseas chinese, he converted to islam so as to stay in the good books of the country's leader. Visits to his home would show myriad pictures of him posing with powerful figures in his country. Cool or not :)
waah...................potong kookoobird ah....................huuuuuge sacrifice leh..............
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By World Business Tuesday, 03 April 2007
OVERSEAS CHINESE A former king of Thailand once famously referred to the overseas Chinese as the "Jews of Asia". But the overseas Chinese have been far more successful in their domination of many of Asia's economies than the Jews were in Europe. So perhaps the king had it wrong: he should have said that the Jews are the overseas Chinese of Europe.
One of the key factors in the Chinese success was how they settled across Asia. They did not pour into a particular location, but fanned out across the region, thus ensuring that they had a ready-made network of international connections within which they could trade and raise capital. The legacy today is a web of personal connections that allows commerce to proceed on the basis of trust - and if anyone betrays the trust of another, that person is soon frozen out of trade and other business opportunities. It is a powerful enforcer.
Commerce like this does not need sound laws to function. This is why the Chinese have been so astoundingly successful in south-east Asia. For much of the last century, practically all the region was relatively lawless and this has made the networks invaluable. The Singaporean who trades with a Bangkok relative or other contact knows he will be paid. Pre-existing networks of trust mean opportunities can be exploited quickly. while their Western competitors must arrange buyers and letters of credit, losing time and opportunities.
The ability to do business in those business environments that are so rough that they are no-go areas for anyone else means that the Chinese get in on the ground floor when an economy is about to take off. It is the early bird that catches the highest margin. The overseas Chinese have been instrumental in building up the economies of Cambodia, Burma, Vietnam and even Laos. They were the first investors to go back into China, using their family and ancestral links to scout out opportunities, while multinationals were still trying to find consultants who could do the same.
Dialect is important to understanding the Chinese outside China because it is a key signifier for different cultural groups under the broader umbrella of Chineseness. Mandarin is the language of northern China and is the native tongue of almost three-quarters of all Chinese who live in China, but it is the ancestral tongue of only a tiny proportion of the Chinese who live in south-east Asia - perhaps less than 5%. Because most overseas Chinese have their origins in China's south-east, their languages are the various dialects of that part of China. However, the written form of the language is the same. In the absence of a common third language or an interpreter, someone who speaks Cantonese will be able to communicate with a Mandarin speaker by exchanging written notes.
- Hokkien is the dialect for those with origins in southern Fujian province
- Fuzhou is spoken by those from around Fuzhou city in the north-east of Fujian, Hokchia is the closely related dialect of those from the area around nearby Fuqing and Henghua is the dialect of those from the Putian area, south of Fuzhou
- Hainanese (or Qiongwen) is the language of those from Hainan province
- Cantonese is the ancestral dialect of those with origins in much of Guangdong and Hong Kong
- Teochiu (or Chiu Chow, as it is spelt in Hong Kong) is spoken by those from the Shantou area of eastern Guangdong
- Hakka (or Keh) is the language of a group of Chinese sprinkled throughout northern Guangdong, southern Fujian and further inland
Particular dialect groups tend to occupy certain business sectors: the Hokchia-speaking people, for example, were rickshaw drivers and this explains why the largest manufacturer of tyres in Indonesia today is the Gajah Tunggal Group, owned by the Hokchia Chinese Nursalim family - they started by supplying and repairing rubber tyres for rickshaws. Similarly, the medicated ointment Tiger Balm was first manufactured in the 1920s by the Hakka Chinese Aw family, who lived in Burma at the time. Historically, Hakka families ran Chinese herbalist and pharmaceutical shops.
In alertness to information such as this can help outside investors to truly understand business in south-east Asia today and how it came to be the way that it is.
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THE BILLIONAIRES
South-east Asia Chinese comprise 5% of the region's population and all
the billionaires but one - Malaysia's Ananda Krishnan, who is of Tamil
Indian descent. Most do not use traditional Chinese names but local
names
Robert Kuok Malaysia/ $5.0bn
Hong Kong
Ananda Krishnan Malaysia $4.3bn
Kwek Leng Beng Singapore $3.6bn
Charoen Sirivadhanabhakdi Thailand $3.2bn
Ng Teng Fong Singapore $3.8bn
Lim Goh Tong Malaysia $2.8bn
Chaleo Yoovidhya Thailand $2.5bn
Wee Cho Yaw Singapore $2.5bn
Dhanin Chearavanont Thailand $2.4bn
Rachman Halim Indonesia $2.3bn*
Source: Forbes' billionaires, 2006, 2004 * 2004 figures -
I believe chinese are succesful because chinese are able to endure hardship. All these chinese men mentioned above had work very hard and endure lot of hardship to where they are today.
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well, as the chinese use to say, if you are not cunning and cruel, you are not a gentleman, base on this, chinese are successful not just mainly on hard work and endurance, they are also cunning, cruel, kill and dare to take whatever risk for the sake of success. Along the way, these successful peoples created many sins, they do not know they make millions suffer because of their action, so, usually you see them end up in some deep shit, for some, the time had yet to come. If i chop a client for $2 for a glass of water, do you think he mind in the midst of his happy drinking condition? That's what chinese are good at, like me, they take opportunities as it come along...
For all men are equal.
