NKF-that can of worms has already been opened!
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Durian did not embezzled the reserves.
He just pay himself more than the usual CEO.
It is the Board of Director and PwC fault that they did not find any fault.
She should be proud of her old man for taking care of so many kidney paitents after all these years. -
Now she c**k in the month....how's she going to face the worldOriginally posted by Medicated Oil:Durian did not embezzled the reserves.
He just pay himself more than the usual CEO.
It is the Board of Director and PwC fault that they did not find any fault.
She should be proud of her old man for taking care of so many kidney paitents after all these years. -
the way he abused the public funds, it would be a matter of time before he touches the reserves, any surprise?Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Durian did not embezzled the reserves.
He just pay himself more than the usual CEO.
It is the Board of Director and PwC fault that they did not find any fault.
She should be proud of her old man for taking care of so many kidney paitents after all these years.
blame the polic for not discovering the thief, blame the schools for not educating the thief well, but it is the thief who stole, PLUS, he betrayed the trust of those who trusted him.
if she still think her old man took care of so many kidney patients, she ought to be ashamed.
the best thing for her to do is to stay low profile, don't try to defend. If she were strong enough to say that she would willing submit to justice, she would earn some respect. -
u sure have a warped way of looking at things.... peharps you work in the diplomatic relations?Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Durian did not embezzled the reserves.
He just pay himself more than the usual CEO.
It is the Board of Director and PwC fault that they did not find any fault.
She should be proud of her old man for taking care of so many kidney paitents after all these years. -
Durian did not embezzled the reserves.
No, he got peanuts...just wait till you see the salaries of Ho Ching and cabinet ministers. I wonder what is the return for every dollar of our hard earned money Temasek invests...but that we'll never know.
He just pay himself more than the usual CEO.
In any case, I don't see any tangible benefit to me whether Temasek makes or loses money. My taxes still go up, fares still increase and my income still drops... -
Hah ha, that is true. And who will dare audit them?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:No, he got peanuts...just wait till you see the salaries of Ho Ching and cabinet ministers. I wonder what is the return for every dollar of our hard earned money Temasek invests...but that we'll never know.
In any case, I don't see any tangible benefit to me whether Temasek makes or loses money. My taxes still go up, fares still increase and my income still drops...
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maybe that's what mrs goh meantOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:No, he got peanuts...just wait till you see the salaries of Ho Ching and cabinet ministers. I wonder what is the return for every dollar of our hard earned money Temasek invests...but that we'll never know.
In any case, I don't see any tangible benefit to me whether Temasek makes or loses money. My taxes still go up, fares still increase and my income still drops...
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Don’t forget to include the SingTEL guy and another who never observed the retirement age. These people are collecting easy money. No need OT.
These are the people who benefited most and must start donating to NKF. We, man on the street are excused from donating. We only received the donations. -
It would be very interesting to see published in the papers the President, ministers, MPs, NMPs and their spouses declare how much salaries-cum-bonuses they draw and donations they make to charities every year during their term in office.
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i wonder if singaporeans can take it if they really make it known.
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wait long looonnnnnnngggggggggggg.................Originally posted by macjoe:It would be very interesting to see published in the papers the President, ministers, MPs, NMPs and their spouses declare how much salaries-cum-bonuses they draw and donations they make to charities every year during their term in office. -
*peng shan*Originally posted by dragg:i wonder if singaporeans can take it if they really make it known.
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nkf is just a charity. durai is 'not somebody super rich and powerful' and already there are so much s h i t.
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These are the people that I call them blood suckers!!! Sometimes, I thought how much is tomasick is making, how much are these blood suckers are being paid, do they deserve such or sort of this kind of pay. Tomasick sounded so good to us singaporeans; they making good money and is the profits are credited into our reserve? How much dividends were self declared by the chairmen and the directors? How much loyalty shares were being self declared to themselves. I'm sure singaporeans are very very very very eager to know. Please, head of tomasick...be mercy and declare to the Public.Originally posted by av98m:Hah ha, that is true. And who will dare audit them? -
I remember there is this Media Corp actress who was really on the ball with Durai's instruction. Cry and cry, it was reported that Durai treated those "on the ball" specially, give them presents and buy them food. Does he give them anything else since the old NKF is reported to be good in giving bonuses?
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i feel sick seeing those trailers of artistes imploring people to call the donation hotline.
they get paid big bugs for doing the stunts and we actually pay for it.
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Ya, Singapore is no different from Indonesia. Here the big guys do it in the open,
While there they do it under table. TT did it in front of the board, the auditors, the judges and a minister. Until now TT is still a free man. No wrong doings exposed yet.
In Singapore, they push up the saving withdrawal to 62years to fund privilege people.
There they have a blind man as president. Maybe here we can get ready for an albino minister. -
A system that concentrates power in a CEO and allows the CEO to ride roughshod over boards of directors or creates malpractices of the kind witnessed in NKF is of questionable expertise or integrity.
The NKF Problems could have been buried under protective powerful patron's personal shielding without benefiting the the patients had it not been accidentally exposed by more powerful forces.
It discloses many potential shortcomings at the higher-ups of NGOs, regulatory authorities and ministers and the whole cabinet.
It would be a disservice to the public to try to justify NKF shortcomings by utterances that the laws would take its own course.
The fact remains that the laws for many years did not take its own course.
Let NKF be the lessen not just to the charity organizations and regulatory authorities that people have expectations and their expectations of service and wellbeings cannot be brushed aside by official line like creating or protecting reserves.
Patients and people should be the centre of any public policies and solutions and good corporate governance.
Ministers and Gerald Ee will do well by not trying to brush aside NKF with justifications of past problems. They should look forward and adopt a more positive attitude to solve old problems hitherto buried and unsolved under past policies which were essentially the root cause of NKF problems. -
We little guys seem to have no say in this country as an article from littelspeck suggests:
NKF...
And defamation
Saga shows this law can also protect influential wrongdoers from public exposure. By Seah Chiang Nee.
Jan 2, 2006
In good times and bad, SingaporeÂ’s stability has rested on a strong legal system strictly enforced, including defamation laws that prevent the sort of wild politics that exists elsewhere.
It has created a society where people donÂ’t make wild accusations against each other as a result of a government frequently setting the tone to sue offenders, big or small.
Since few citizens truly know what really constitutes defamation, it has resulted in a society thatÂ’s lavish with praise but short of even the slightest attack on any influential entity, whatever the circumstances.
An official spokesman recently reaffirmed that “the Government draws the ... conclusion that our libel law is what keeps the system clean and honest”.
This rationale has blurred somewhat in the wake of the National Kidney Foundation scandal involving its former CEO T.T. Durai and ex-board of directors, over which much has already been written.
It raised a question whether the republic’s defamation law is also – apart from preventing the innocent from any slanderous assault – protecting wrongdoings by the rich and powerful from being discovered.
Take the case of Madam Tan Kiat Noi. She was sued in 1999 for accusing the NKF of “paying ridiculously high bonuses” to its staff. At a time when his power was rising, the thin-skinned Durai sued.
Mdm Tan settled by publicly apologising and paying S$50,000 in damages as well as NKF's legal costs.
She wasnÂ’t the only victim. Two others, Archie Ong and Piragasum Singavelu, suffered the same fate when they alleged that Durai had travelled by first class on charity money.
Again he sued for defamation, forcing both to settle out of court, pay damages and apologise. Ironically, these allegations, the high bonuses and first class travels, were true as revealed by the recent KPMG report.
Neither Durai nor NKF has apologised or tried to undo the injustice to these people, which led an angry writer to say, “What the NKF saga has proved is that people who win defamation lawsuits may not be innocent and those who lose may not be guilty.”
Actually the courts could not be blamed since these cases never reached any hearing. At fault was SingaporeÂ’s defamation law, which clearly favours the rich and powerful.
Like most citizens, Durai’s three “victims” simply could not afford to fight it out against a giant like NKF (with assets of S$240mil), irrespective of right or wrong.
Durai’s “victories” had an impact in convincing the public into believing that his outfit was properly run and its money was not wasted.
Truth had become a casualty when the defamation law became a weapon of the wealthy.
You donÂ’t often see a bricklayer suing a property tycoon for libel or defamation, only the other way around. Even if he does and wins, his compensation can be a lot smaller than a defamed business leader.
Singapore is, of course, not an exception. Try suing Bill Gates for whatever reason!
Lawyer Siew Kum Hong wrote, “the defamation law is very skewed in favour of the plaintiff”.
He explained: “It is one of the very few areas of law (in fact, the only one that comes to mind readily), where the defendant has the burden of proving his innocence.
“The plaintiff only has to show that the defendant said or wrote something about the plaintiff that would tend to make people think less of the plaintiff. That is all he needs to do.
“To win, the defendant must prove that what he said was true, or that it was a fair comment on a matter of public interest, or that the circumstances of the statement made it qualified – for instance, it was said in Parliament or on the witness stand. That can be a real uphill task.”
For Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, this law is crucial. “If you defame us, we’re prepared to sue you, go into witness box and be cross-examined ... If you don’t sue, repetition of the lie [makes it credible]. It will be believed ...”
He and other government leaders have successfully sued and won defamation lawsuits against some of their critics, especially opposition figures and the foreign media.
Its frequent use has contributed to the sort of litigious society the government wants to avoid.
The law has also rendered whistle-blowing (an insider revealing a grave wrongdoing) either in a government department or in a large corporation a virtually suicidal task.
Because of the expenses, Singaporeans simply choose to turn a blind eye when they see something radically wrong, and society is the loser.
If any of DuraiÂ’s three victims had been able to afford a Senior Counsel, the truth about the NKF could have been exposed earlier, limiting the present damage.
A retired contractor who was hired to install DuraiÂ’s office bathroom 10 years ago gave The Straits Times the first hint that things were not really right.
He was quoted as saying that NKF was using a pricey German toilet bowl and a gold-plated tap.
“I started screaming my head off. The gold-plated tap alone cost at least S$1,000. It was crazy. You’re a charity using donors’ money,” huffed the man who was then a donor.
After his outburst, he was told to “just do” his job, but the taps were eventually “scaled down” to an upmarket chrome-plated model. He stopped donating from then on.
The defamation law remains in place to ensure orderliness in Singapore but it serves better those who can afford a good lawyer over those who cannot. -
For Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, this law is crucial. “If you defame us, we’re prepared to sue you, go into witness box and be cross-examined ... If you don’t sue, repetition of the lie [makes it credible]. It will be believed ...”
Hopefully, our gahmen would sue these guys
He and other government leaders have successfully sued and won defamation lawsuits against some of their critics, especially opposition figures and the foreign media.
"Singapore Review - Legitimized Corruption Understood"
http://www.aseannewsnetwork.com/2005/07/singapore-review-legitimized.html -
nkf patients who cant pay their treatment fees were threatened with transfers to dialysis centres far away from their homes.
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Durai n his gang no need to be charged, is it?
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You think?Originally posted by SnowFlag:Durai n his gang no need to be charged, is it? -
Citizens have put up many good ideas as mentioned here after the NKF saga.
Yet problems of the same nature keep happening. Why ?
Because the leaders are not pro-people in their policies and practices.
The present anti-people culture in the leadership has got to change.
It is only when leaders have changed their policies and decided to work with the people and serve the people that we can avoid repeating the same problem.
The lack of accountability and transparency in NGOs, government ministries and departments, GIC and Temasek has to be solved first.
There should be publications on government per dollar tax/reserve used for lowering of people high costs and job creations to make the government proactive and pro-people. When the root cause of a problem is removed, then we can solve NKF problem.
Let us all hope that there will be good start to a more proactive and pro-people way of governing the country.
That is the reason we forumers are here - to give suggestions to solve problems !!! We are not claiming to be experts as our opinions are at the most ignored and this thread may not even be read by our supreme leaders. -
Someone said:
The present anti-people culture in the leadership has got to change.
:How much changing is needed?
Can anyone change the nature of a tiger, a dragon, or a human
I am sixty of age..how much could I change? I hope to look like sixteen!
Politicians and administrators at NKF are not small children, so they don't grew up more or change much..
:Maybe we should elect the young,
They are all pliable to change..
:See the changing styles everyday of their clothes and the music trends You don't need to guess>they all change very fast and get into weird living with plenty of new ideas!
Would you VOTE for Singapore idol to be next P.M.
