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Originally posted by Atobe:
I didnt know the cost of the Chinese F1 track would actually cost US$3b..what the hell you get this number? Another pile of Atobe BS?
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You have made too many assumptions beginning with your beliefs that mega-events such as Olympics and F-1 will benefit the host country - when I had already shown you the a May 2006 Report - 'Scary Economics of Mega Events'.
Your referenced post merely showed a report dated [b]2004 based on the First FORMULA ONE race in China.
As matters stand, have you any further data on ticket sales for the subsequent 2005 and 2006 series, or MORE IMPORTANTLY your data that the Formula ONE series had benefitted any host nations ?
Considering that the China Formula ONE organiser has a contract with Formula ONE to host the series from 2004 to 2010, and that they have spent about US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it, and with the gate receipts for 150,000 tickets bringing a revenue of US$36 Million from the 2004 race - it will be brilliant mathematics to find this event to produce any net gain for the Organiser, and China.
The only beneficiay - like all your useless foreign owned mega-events - will be the Foreign Owner of the licensing and franchise dispensing of the various mega-events and entertainment 'IDEAS'
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Atobe, there is no point talking so much if you are incapable of standing by what you have said. Yeah, so when did PM Badawi visit Singapore again? What it before or after the Sentosa annoucement?
Unfortunately, it is a display of your stupendous brilliance in summarising a list of unsubstantiated imbecilic thought process in arguing in a useless incoherent manner, that move from one useless point to another each time when you have been cornered.
You have brilliantly shown the various issues that have been rebutted with sound arguments based on facts and corectly sourced figures that have demolished your pathetically held theories that you claim to be [b]'FACTS'.
It is better that you leave the 'FACTS' alone, since you have no need for IDEAS', nor even have a slightest clue as to how these 'FACTS' were established.
Remember your hairy arse, you have become the butt of your own joke that you try to turn on others.
Try to go back step-by-step and substantiate your imbecilic arguments instead of merely making uselessly infantile summary of an honor list of arguments that have demolished you completely.
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To Atobe:
Don't bother replying to this imbecile, he doesn't read the links you post (cost of F1 facilities in China), he just reads your post without the links and say that what you have written is baseless. -
How much do you know about anything when you prefer not to believe in 'IDEAS' and can only accept 'FACT' that are produced and packaged neatly for your brain ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
You have made too many assumptions beginning with your beliefs that mega-events such as Olympics and F-1 will benefit the host country - when I had already shown you the a May 2006 Report - 'Scary Economics of Mega Events'.
Your referenced post merely showed a report dated 2004 based on the First FORMULA ONE race in China.
As matters stand, have you any further data on ticket sales for the subsequent 2005 and 2006 series, or MORE IMPORTANTLY your data that the Formula ONE series had benefitted any host nations ?
Considering that the China Formula ONE organiser has a contract with Formula ONE to host the series from 2004 to 2010, and that they have spent about US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it, and with the gate receipts for 150,000 tickets bringing a revenue of US$36 Million from the 2004 race - it will be brilliant mathematics to find this event to produce any net gain for the Organiser, and China.
The only beneficiay - like all your useless foreign owned mega-events - will be the Foreign Owner of the licensing and franchise dispensing of the various mega-events and entertainment 'IDEAS'continue below
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I didnt know the cost of the Chinese F1 track would actually cost US$3b..what the hell you get this number? Another pile of Atobe BS?
You are an embarrassment even to those who are medically spastic, and even physically handicapped, when you cannot even read carefully and click on the given referenced site to the information already given above as :
''US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it
Try this again, if you know how to left click on a device attached to your desktop PC and commonly known as a 'mouse':
Shanghai cashes in on F-1 frenzy:
SIC has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on hosting the race. The track and related infrastructure cost US$3 billion to build, let alone the money required to maintain these facilities.
SIC has reportedly spent around US$20 million a year to gain the rights of holding the race from the Federation of International Automotive (FIA). -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Again, I think you have to do better than quoting USA's failure in hosting football World Cup, (or should I say soccer) as an example of a host nation not making any economical gain from mega sports event. Especially if you consider a country where football is actually NFL, and FIFA world cup is called soccer.
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If you have no Â’IDEAÂ’ how to find a single word for one alphabet Â’FÂ’, and can only think Â’one out of threeÂ’ words to fit this alphabet, you are already a confirmed Â’FAILUREÂ’.
You simply have no ’IDEA’ how to begin thinking, as you have resisted accepting any [B]’IDEAS’[/b], but only ’FACTS’ – it is simply too late for you to begin learning ’how to think’.
If you cannot accept what I have offered concerning the 'Scary Economics of Mega Events', show me how profitable the Malaysian Sepang Formula ONE has been for Malaysia, let alone to the Malaysian Licensee of this Formula ONE series.
What is the use of making hollow claims and imbecilic responses to my 'IDEAS' in organising evidence as 'FACTS' ?
Show what you believe to be your 'FACTS', and we will see if you have any 'IDEAS' in handling your 'FACTS', which up till now you have shown yourself to be an abject failure. [/b] -
Use your common sense, how can an F1 track cost US$3b? And before you jump into conclusion or behave like monkey see monkey do, you might want to find out what do they mean by related infrastructure, and are these infrastructure paid for my the organiser or government, and are these infrastructure only to be use by F1 and nothing else?Originally posted by maurizio13:To Atobe:
Don't bother replying to this imbecile, he doesn't read the links you post (cost of F1 facilities in China), he just reads your post without the links and say that what you have written is baseless. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
So we are back to PM Badawi ?
Atobe, there is no point talking so much if you are incapable of standing by what you have said. Yeah, so when did PM Badawi visit Singapore again? hat it before or after the Sentosa annoucement?
Did you not bother to subscribe to the Strait Times and access their archives to read that one article that you wish could prove me wrong ?
Running out of points to argue but going back to points that you wish you have something to cling on to ?
Is it not about time that you prove me wrong that you are an embarrassment even to those mentally disadvantaged that we termed as 'spastics' ?
Surely you are not physically handicapped to be unable to reach out to subscribe the Straits Times archives ?
Are you proving me correct that the IMF-World Bank meeting did not benefit the general population, as you seem reluctant to spend your imaginary benefits supposedly available from this event, even on a cheap subscription to the Straits Times to access their archives ? -
Are you qualified to even 'THINK' when you cannot accept the status of an 'IDEA' ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Origiinal post by Atobe:
If you have no Â’IDEAÂ’ how to find a single word for one alphabet Â’FÂ’, and can only think Â’one out of threeÂ’ words to fit this alphabet, you are already a confirmed Â’FAILUREÂ’.
You simply have no ’IDEA’ how to begin thinking, as you have resisted accepting any [B]’IDEAS’[/b], but only ’FACTS’ – it is simply too late for you to begin learning ’how to think’.
If you cannot accept what I have offered concerning the 'Scary Economics of Mega Events', show me how profitable the Malaysian Sepang Formula ONE has been for Malaysia, let alone to the Malaysian Licensee of this Formula ONE series.
What is the use of making hollow claims and imbecilic responses to my 'IDEAS' in organising evidence as 'FACTS' ?
Show what you believe to be your 'FACTS', and we will see if you have any 'IDEAS' in handling your 'FACTS', which up till now you have shown yourself to be an abject failure.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, I think you have to do better than quoting USA's failure in hosting football World Cup, (or should I say soccer) as an example of a host nation not making any economical gain from mega sports event. Especially if you consider a country where football is actually NFL, and FIFA world cup is called soccer.
Thinking needs someone who has 'IDEAS' - are you qualified to even make such a judgment call based on your ability ?
Here is another one of your stupendous ability to meander from macro arguments into micro issues that have no relevance to the line of debate.
Did my referenced site of the 'Scary Economics of Mega Events', refer only to the USA World Cup event ?
This clearly - AGAIN - shows your incapacity to read, understand, interprete, and conclude - as you are only reliant and dependant only on 'FACTS' develop by those who have 'IDEAS'.
Even to BS, one need to have 'IDEAS' and some ability to SKILLFULLY use avavilable 'FACTS' at their disposal.
Can you even know one end of the 'FACTS' presented when your expertise in recognising BS is based on 'FACTS' that others cook up for you ?
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Another example how people like to distort information to suit their arguement, or should I say piling shi.t over shi.tOriginally posted by Atobe:[/color]
How much do you know about anything when you prefer not to believe in 'IDEAS' and can only accept 'FACT' that are produced and packaged neatly for your brain ?
You are an embarrassment even to those who are medically spastic, and even physically handicapped, when you cannot even read carefully and click on the given referenced site to the information already given above as :
''US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it
Try this again, if you know how to left click on a device attached to your desktop PC and commonly known as a 'mouse':
[b]Shanghai cashes in on F-1 frenzy
From what you have quoted, the US$3b is the cost to built the F1 facilities AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. And before you find out what is these infrastructure, dont you think it is a little premature to jump into the conclusion that these are F1 or motor racing related cost?
As far as I know the cost of building the Shanghai F1 track, which is the most expensive in the world, is around US$317m, about 1/10 of what you have quoted. -
Atobe, I know shi.ting is easy and having to eat your own shi.t back is difficult, so if you are incapable of standing by what you said, it is best that you dont anyhow BS here.Originally posted by Atobe:So we are back to PM Badawi ?
Did you not bother to subscribe to the Strait Times and access their archives to read that one article that you wish could prove me wrong ?
Running out of points to argue but going back to points that you wish you have something to cling on to ?
Is it not about time that you prove me wrong that you are an embarrassment even to those mentally disadvantaged that we termed as 'spastics' ?
Surely you are not physically handicapped to be unable to reach out to subscribe the Straits Times archives ?
Are you proving me correct that the IMF-World Bank meeting did not benefit the general population, as you seem reluctant to spend your imaginary benefits supposedly available from this event, even on a cheap subscription to the Straits Times to access their archives ?
Oppss...are you saying that ST is the only media that cover PM Badawi's visit? Another BS? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
And I we suppose to 100% believe an article that is politically driven to go against the idea of South Africa hosting the world cup, and an article to USE World Cup USA as an example?
Are you qualified to even [b]'THINK' when you cannot accept the status of an 'IDEA' ?
Thinking needs someone who has 'IDEAS' - are you qualified to even make such a judgment call based on your ability ?
Here is another one of your stupendous ability to meander from macro arguments into micro issues that have no relevance to the line of debate.
Did my referenced site of the 'Scary Economics of Mega Events', refer only to the USA World Cup event ?
This clearly - AGAIN - shows your incapacity to read, understand, interprete, and conclude - as you are only reliant and dependant only on 'FACTS' develop by those who have 'IDEAS'.
Even to BS, one need to have 'IDEAS' and some ability to SKILLFULLY use avavilable 'FACTS' at their disposal.
Can you even know one end of the 'FACTS' presented when your expertise in recognising BS is based on 'FACTS' that others cook up for you ?
You are an absolute joke.
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Atobe, this is the most updated list.
1) You claim that Singaporeans will not benefit from the IRs
2) You claim that the whole objective of IRs is for the government to collect gaming taxes.
3) Just because we have F1, Singapore economy to will become Monaco.
4) the reason why genting won the IR bid is because of PM Badawi
5) You are comparing the rich people attracted to singapore to Singaporeans going to JB to buy cheap grocery and food.
6) You claim that Mcdonald market strategy is to get kids addicted to their burger and fries and they will eat till they die.
7) You claim that MICE activities in Singapore will not benefit Singaporeans.
You claim that when visitor comes Singapore, they will only do 2 things. spend money at Marina Bay Sands and RWS
9) Countries like Malaysia and Shanghai are losing money hosting F1
10) Sungei Bersi toll is becoming a tourist attraction because Atobe use that as an indicator to calculate the time to travel from KL city to Genting Highland.
11) there were multiple PM Badawi visits to Singapore before and after the Sentosa IR announcement.
12) Chinese cant afford to watch F1
13) Malaysians earning in Ringgit cannot afford to watch F1
14) Cost of Shanghai F1 facility, US$3,000,000,000
15) Only Singapore Straits Times cover PM Badawi's visit to Singapore in 2006 -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Only you will live in a house without walls, windows, doors, and pay only for the skeletal structure and a roof.
Another example how people like to distort information to suit their arguement, or should I say piling shi.t over shi.t
From what you have quoted, the US$3b is the cost to built the F1 facilities AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. And before you find out what is these infrastructure, dont you think it is a little premature to jump into the conclusion that these are F1 or motor racing related cost?
As far as I know the cost of building the Shanghai F1 track, which is the most expensive in the world, is around US$317m, about 1/10 of what you have quoted.
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Yes, you are probably created short of some grey matter, as it was too expensive to deliver you as a complete being, afterall what is not seen under the skull matters little to make the complete whole.
To your level of thinking and understanding - there is little difference between a 'HOLE' and a 'WHOLE' both are similarly complete.
Brilliant conclusion from your statement made, who is already recognised as a determined expert in BS, with a mind that is totally immersed in sh-it, with no 'IDEAS' of your own to come up with your own 'FACTS' that are based on your understanding from your expertise on BS. -
[b]You don't have a brain!!!Originally posted by Gazelle:Use your common sense, how can an F1 track cost US$3b? And before you jump into conclusion or behave like monkey see monkey do, you might want to find out what do they mean by related infrastructure, and are these infrastructure paid for my the organiser or government, and are these infrastructure only to be use by F1 and nothing else?
Atobe's original post:
"Considering that the China Formula ONE organiser has a contract with Formula ONE to host the series from 2004 to 2010, and that they have spent about US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it, and with the gate receipts for 150,000 tickets bringing a revenue of US$36 Million from the 2004 race - it will be brilliant mathematics to find this event to produce any net gain for the Organiser, and China."
You don't understand "estimated", you don't understand "facilities", amongst all the other things you don't understand. He said building the F1 "facilities" cost US$ 3 billion, you understood it as the F1 tracks cost US$ 3 billion. Gosh!!!! You are highly farked!!!!
I think it is best serve if you get OM to do a lobotomy on you, your intelligence will increase dramatically.
Like walsea, Atobe and me observed, you have the IQ of a orang utan. -
What else can we expect from one with an infantile mind ?Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe, this is the most updated list.
1) You claim that Singaporeans will not benefit from the IRs
2) You claim that the whole objective of IRs is for the government to collect gaming taxes.
3) Just because we have F1, Singapore economy to will become Monaco.
4) the reason why genting won the IR bid is because of PM Badawi
5) You are comparing the rich people attracted to singapore to Singaporeans going to JB to buy cheap grocery and food.
6) You claim that Mcdonald market strategy is to get kids addicted to their burger and fries and they will eat till they die.
7) You claim that MICE activities in Singapore will not benefit Singaporeans. You claim that when visitor comes Singapore, they will only do 2 things. spend money at Marina Bay Sands and RWS
9) Countries like Malaysia and Shanghai are losing money hosting F1
10) Sungei Bersi toll is becoming a tourist attraction because Atobe use that as an indicator to calculate the time to travel from KL city to Genting Highland.
11) there were multiple PM Badawi visits to Singapore before and after the Sentosa IR announcement.
12) Chinese cant afford to watch F1
13) Malaysians earning in Ringgit cannot afford to watch F1
14) Cost of Shanghai F1 facility, US$3,000,000,000
15) Only Singapore Straits Times cover PM Badawi's visit to Singapore in 2006
Even a mental spastic or a physical handicap has some 'IDEAS' and can be more discerning and circumspect on 'FACTS' presented to them.
Up till now we have yet to see you proving your own position, and this list represent your ignomious summary of points that you have desparately swung from one end of the spectrum to the other, simply to redeem your disintegrated self-esteem.
Try harder to sound more confident of your position.
Infantile antics will not help your position, and simply confirms the mental imbecile that you have been recognised to be. -
So do you want to explain to us what could possibily be F1 facilities?Originally posted by maurizio13:[b]You don't have a brain!!!
Atobe's original post:
"Considering that the China Formula ONE organiser has a contract with Formula ONE to host the series from 2004 to 2010, and that they have spent about US$3 Billion to build the Formula ONE facilities, and US$20 Million annually to maintain it, and with the gate receipts for 150,000 tickets bringing a revenue of US$36 Million from the 2004 race - it will be brilliant mathematics to find this event to produce any net gain for the Organiser, and China."
You don't understand "estimated", you don't understand "facilities", amongst all the other things you don't understand. He said building the F1 "facilities" cost US$ 3 billion, you understood it as the F1 tracks cost US$ 3 billion. Gosh!!!! You are highly farked!!!!
I think it is best serve if you get OM to do a lobotomy on you, your intelligence will increase dramatically.
Like walsea, Atobe and me observed, you have the IQ of a orang utan. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Like I said before, and i will said this again, the only people who need lots of ideas and excuses are people that speaks will tons of BS. And you are just 1 good example of someone who does that.
Only you will live in a house without walls, windows, doors, and pay only for the skeletal structure and a roof.
Yes, you are probably created short of some grey matter, as it was too expensive to deliver you as a complete being, afterall what is not seen under the skull matters little to make the complete whole.
To your level of thinking and understanding - there is little difference between a [b]'HOLE' and a 'WHOLE' both are similarly complete.
Brilliant conclusion from your statement made, who is already recognised as a determined expert in BS, with a mind that is totally immersed in sh-it, with no 'IDEAS' of your own to come up with your own 'FACTS' that are based on your understanding from your expertise on BS.
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Should we be surprised that you are such an expert with the wasted products from our bodies ?Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe, I know shi.ting is easy and having to eat your own shi.t back is difficult, so if you are incapable of standing by what you said, it is best that you dont anyhow BS here.
Oppss...are you saying that ST is the only media that cover PM Badawi's visit? Another BS?
Afterall, with your brain that is stuck behind an empty butt, what else can fill your mind except those 'FACTS' that have been wasted and resting near to your brain behind your - self admitted - hairy arse ?
Surely, your infantile mental capacity is proven now, since you are incapable to realise that you are at liberty to subscribe to the Malaysian Star or the New Straits Times, as the news had occurred during early 2006 - BEFORE the award of the Sentosa IR.
What has happened to your tertiary education that was supposed to make you a more independent and knowledgeable person ?
Why do you need constant directions and fed with 'FACTS' placed neatly for you to digest ?
Surely, my speculation of your spastic state of mind cannot be so correct ? -
Nah! I'd rather talked to my dog, I think it's smarter than you.Originally posted by Gazelle:So do you want to explain to us what could possibily be F1 facilities?
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Now you are driven into a tantrum with your careless reactions.Originally posted by Gazelle:Like I said before, and i will said this again, the only people who need lots of ideas and excuses are people that speaks will tons of BS. And you are just 1 good example of someone who does that.
Thank you for your backhanded compliments, and I detect again some resentful envy.
At least, I have the honor of being more capable to handle weightier subjects; what are you capable of with your imbecilic infantile abilities ?
Try looking down the deep 'HOLE' and conclude its complete 'WHOLE' - it is deeply absorbing for one who has the brain stuck between the legs and behind a hairy arse, instead of a hairy skull. -
Now, for once you're talking sense - except you've directed that statement to the wrong person...Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe, there is no point talking so much if you are incapable of standing by what you have said. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:I think it is best serve if you get OM to do a lobotomy on you, your intelligence will increase dramatically.
That would be putting it very mildly...Originally posted by maurizio13:Like walsea, Atobe and me observed, you have the IQ of a orang utan.
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You are just incapable. Period!!Originally posted by maurizio13:Nah! I'd rather talked to my dog, I think it's smarter than you. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
OK, since you say so, could you please quote me an article which cover PM Badawi visit to Singapore in 2006, before and prior to the announcement of Sentosa IR in Oct 06
Should we be surprised that you are such an expert with the wasted products from our bodies ?
Afterall, with your brain that is stuck behind an empty butt, what else can fill your mind except those [b]'FACTS' that have been wasted and resting near to your brain behind your - self admitted - hairy arse ?
Surely, your infantile mental capacity is proven now, since you are incapable to realise that you are at liberty to subscribe to the Malaysian Star or the New Straits Times, as the news had occurred during early 2006 - BEFORE the award of the Sentosa IR.
What has happened to your tertiary education that was supposed to make you a more independent and knowledgeable person ?
Why do you need constant directions and fed with 'FACTS' placed neatly for you to digest ?
Surely, my speculation of your spastic state of mind cannot be so correct ?
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I read with absolute amusement how Gazelle gets whalloped here in this thread.
I also find it real amusing that he goes on and on and on, like a spoilt child that refuses to be gracious in defeat (a product of our govt system)
Anyway, I would just like to mention, as I mentioned to him also in another thread, there is no such thing as FACTS. There are only figures, and then, opinions.
We ALL deal with opinions, coz different people would interpret the same set of figures differently. In short, certain figures might also be skipped from analysis so as to come to the pre-determined conclusion.
This is our Govt. Before starting any research, or collecting any statistics, they already have a biased conclusion in their minds. They do not analyze figures objectively, but to derive their pre-determined conclusion.
This is likened to the research community, where usually 1 out of 10 papers are truly useful, while the rest are just biased research (where the conclusion is already pre-determined before the research is conducted)